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Captain America: Brave New World | Official Trailer

jason10mm

Gold Member
all hulk references in this movie point to incredible hulk iirc.
That really dates it. The destructing in TIH is trivial compared to what the Hulk does in Avengers 1 or 2, though I suppose in the later film he isn't in the US so we might not care. But then he walks around as Banner/Hulk so I'm not sure why A. hulk gamma radiation serum wouldn't be a more legit research tool again or B. Ross himself would seem so freaked out about it because presumably he knows and kept up on all the Banner developments so would be intimately familiar with his rage techniques and how he "solved" it. The film, despite referencing 'current' marvel, feels like it should take place somewhere around Avengers 1 at best. Big alien body in the ocean....why aren't Wakandans or Asgardians taking point on this? Or the Nova corp or some other space entity? Or have "the contract" for mining it go to a certain Latverian construction firm, from a disinterested neutral country to appease the major powers, and well, that leads to Dr. Doom. Oh wait, we can't have that because we gotta go through this silly multiverse nonsense to "Explain" by Dr. Doom looks just like Tony Stark.

And if this is the first terrestrial source of Adamantium, then Wolverine could only just now get created, no? Or are all the major mutants gonna be ported over from a multiverse so their various backstories can stay mostly intact? Maybe 'the plan' is to do another time jump or wait for Wolverine so he could have a few years of living on the run, or adamantium already exists (which just devalues BNW even more, the whole conflict is basically over nothing). I'm assuming they used Japan so they could have Wolverine be in Japan and get exposed to it there. Plus they may have wanted to use China as the major adversary but that got ixnayed by corporate.
 

Alcibiades

Member
Had a good time with this one. No clue how RT critics liked Dark World and Love and Thunder more than this but aight
Chris Hemsworth as Thor still has his charm. None of the lead performances in Cap 4 were on the same level. Gotta have a charismatic hero or villain that can carry the movie.
 
kept up on all the Banner developments so would be intimately familiar with his rage techniques and how he "solved" it.
They aren't on speaking terms because ross was still shouting his equivalent of "spider-man's a menace!" up until now. He also had no idea he was being "poisoned" into turning into a hulk specifically, so even if banner somehow managed to jump in, there's no way ross would just suddenly control it. At best we'd just get smart hulk vs red hulk, which could've been fun I guess.
Big alien body in the ocean....why aren't Wakandans or Asgardians taking point on this? Or the Nova corp or some other space entity?
The world would just go to war with wakanda, because nobody can work together and they want all resources for themselves, but also because wakanda controling vibranium and adamantium would make them the only superpower in the world.
Asgardians have bigger things to worry about, new asgard is pretty small, since half of all asgardians were killed by thanos, they're focusing on rebuilding.
Nova corps are super dead, thanos destroyed xandar and the nova corps and killed half of xandar's regular population while he as at it.
Anyone else in space doesn't really care about earth, same shit or worse is happening on a thousand different worlds.
And if this is the first terrestrial source of Adamantium, then Wolverine could only just now get created, no? Or are all the major mutants gonna be ported over from a multiverse so their various backstories can stay mostly intact? Maybe 'the plan' is to do another time jump or wait for Wolverine so he could have a few years of living on the run, or adamantium already exists (which just devalues BNW even more, the whole conflict is basically over nothing).
Nobody knows what the mutant/x-men plan is, but yes adamantium exists in the multiverse, the TVA gives deadpool adamantium katanas, which is why wolverine doesn't just slice through them.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
They aren't on speaking terms because ross was still shouting his equivalent of "spider-man's a menace!" up until now. He also had no idea he was being "poisoned" into turning into a hulk specifically, so even if banner somehow managed to jump in, there's no way ross would just suddenly control it. At best we'd just get smart hulk vs red hulk, which could've been fun I guess.
Possibly, but I'd imagine a guy like Ross would know EVERYTHING about Banner, and clearly the US Gov would know a lot since they employed him for a bit and he spends a lot of time getting selfies. So he would know about Banners calming techniques, as well as what Natasha uses on him, and so when he starts to hulk out a bit you'd think a VERY smart guy like Ross who is intimately familiar with Banner AND has spent a lot of his career exploiting a gamma radiation affected genius as well as working with gamma radiation super soldiers would have connected the dots and tried to mitigate the problem himself. Of course this is a Sam movie, not a Ross one, and they want their Hulk fight so Ross had to be diminished to boost Sam.
The world would just go to war with wakanda, because nobody can work together and they want all resources for themselves, but also because wakanda controling vibranium and adamantium would make them the only superpower in the world.
COULD the world beat Wakanda? They stopped Thanos...TWICE. I barely watched BP2 so I actually don't recall their naval prowess but didn't they make peace with the fish guys at the end? You think THOSE GUYS might have a say in a big celestial body in the ocean?
Asgardians have bigger things to worry about, new asgard is pretty small, since half of all asgardians were killed by thanos, they're focusing on rebuilding.
Again, its about who might see adamantium or whatever else is there and think...hey, our super science uses that stuff all the time (or materials like it) and maybe we can reclaim our glory if we take this thing. Maybe there are some employed in Japan.
Nova corps are super dead, thanos destroyed xandar and the nova corps and killed half of xandar's regular population while he as at it.
Anyone else in space doesn't really care about earth, same shit or worse is happening on a thousand different worlds.
I gotta think a Celestial body is pretty rare, even if some make a space station out of a skull of one. I thin k that if they are gonna go that route of celestial yields adamantium, you could have an interesting colonization story of folks coming to take it. THAT would be a BRAVE NEW WORLD if Sam had to settle things with space pira....err miners :p

As it stands, I'm not sure what BNW is referencing, or the New World Order tagline before it. Nothing really changes other than the pres steps down early in his tenue because he recognized that he is unfit to serve....oh wait I see what they did there :p

Nobody knows what the mutant/x-men plan is, but yes adamantium exists in the multiverse, the TVA gives deadpool adamantium katanas, which is why wolverine doesn't just slice through them.
The TVA also has a drawer full of infinity stones. The MCU is surviving DESPITE all the TVA crap, not because of it (IMHO).
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
My one criticism of the movie is that it's more Hulk sequel than Captain America sequel. We don't see things PERSONAL to Sam, other than he doesn't take the serum or his friendships to Isaiah and Joaquin. I wanted to know if that HQ is Sam's or is it the government's? I wanted to know about his fine ass sister and his family out there in Nawlins. I wanted to know if he has a non-governmental paycheck or he's more independently wealthy. What's changed since Falcon and the Winter Soldier?
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
My one criticism of the movie is that it's more Hulk sequel than Captain America sequel. We don't see things PERSONAL to Sam, other than he doesn't take the serum or his friendships to Isaiah and Joaquin. I wanted to know if that HQ is Sam's or is it the government's? I wanted to know about his fine ass sister and his family out there in Nawlins. I wanted to know if he has a non-governmental paycheck or he's more independently wealthy. What's changed since Falcon and the Winter Soldier?
He's dating Riri but tapping Shuri on the side, you know it :p

I'm actually kinda surprised they didn't hook him up with the black lady secret service agent. Typical hollywood will have him with at least 1, of not several, of the many black women of the MCU and in true hollywood fashion he has like 15+ years on almost all of them :p
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
Also... The previous Captain America movies were written by Markus and McFeely... They didn't do this one... Marvel COULD HAVE written this and made it all about Sam as Captain America ... But they were scared to. I loved the movie, myself, but I also can see they went too far in the Hulk direction than in the Captain America direction
 
So he would know about Banners calming techniques, as well as what Natasha uses on him
I doubt it, unless he has literally ant-man drone cameras following him 24/7 there's no way he could since banner developed those techniques himself for use in the team.
COULD the world beat Wakanda? They stopped Thanos...TWICE. I barely watched BP2 so I actually don't recall their naval prowess but didn't they make peace with the fish guys at the end? You think THOSE GUYS might have a say in a big celestial body in the ocean?
BP2 is dogwater so I don't remember, but yes the world could beat wakanda, they might have the edge in tech, but they don't have the numbers.
I gotta think a Celestial body is pretty rare, even if some make a space station out of a skull of one.
Yes a celestial itself is pretty rare, but worse things are happening on other worlds in reference to it being a dead, or at least inert celestial. I'm also not sure if he celestial itself is the origin of adamantium, since Sersi transmuted its entire body into a different substance, this is likely the cause of adamantium appearing.
Vibranium and Adamantium are great, but it's like rocket said tony "you're only a genius on earth pal", marvel cosmic have their own insane shielding and metals like Uru.

The TVA also has a drawer full of infinity stones. The MCU is surviving DESPITE all the TVA crap, not because of it (IMHO).
That's just a reference to the infinity saga in the comics, where it's stated every universe has their own set of infinity gems, but they are completely inert outside of their own universe.
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
He's dating Riri but tapping Shuri on the side, you know it :p

I'm actually kinda surprised they didn't hook him up with the black lady secret service agent. Typical hollywood will have him with at least 1, of not several, of the many black women of the MCU and in true hollywood fashion he has like 15+ years on almost all of them :p
I think they're an item but kept it ambiguous. Isn't it interesting that he's the only male in Marvel that has no potential love interests?
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
I think they're an item but kept it ambiguous. Isn't it interesting that he's the only male in Marvel that has no potential love interests?
Yeah, a lot to unpack with that one. They should at least have had Betty Ross walk away with a sly smile, we know Sam slid into those DMs if only to stick it to the Pres :p

But Sam originating as a sidekick deprived him of the typical "lost love" origin story that a lot of the others got. I suppose that would make him a "Secret gay" by the standards today (no blatant and obvious girl means he's gay) but I don't think they would fly. Did he really have no side piece in F&WS? It would be the same if Dr. Strange's monk sidekick got his own show, that guy has no apparent social life either. Same with Bucky, now that I think about it. It's the function of the sidekick to exist only at the whim of their hero lest they be distracting, but at least Spidey's big friend got with the blonde girl in Italy (IIRC).
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
Yeah, a lot to unpack with that one. They should at least have had Betty Ross walk away with a sly smile, we know Sam slid into those DMs if only to stick it to the Pres :p

But Sam originating as a sidekick deprived him of the typical "lost love" origin story that a lot of the others got. I suppose that would make him a "Secret gay" by the standards today (no blatant and obvious girl means he's gay) but I don't think they would fly. Did he really have no side piece in F&WS? It would be the same if Dr. Strange's monk sidekick got his own show, that guy has no apparent social life either. Same with Bucky, now that I think about it. It's the function of the sidekick to exist only at the whim of their hero lest they be distracting, but at least Spidey's big friend got with the blonde girl in Italy (IIRC).

I think Wong was with the black sorcerer from Multiverse of Madness... They seemed especially close and he was PISSED when she was killed by Wanda.
 

EruditeHobo

Member
Wasn't a big fan of this, definitely very low tier MCU (bottom 3 in my personal rankings), but that said I don't mind a Marvel movie that just kind of turns into Top Gun for 30 minutes. Pretty excellent use of Cap/Falcon, if you ask me. The problem of course was a lot of what surrounded that section...

And it's too bad because the plot bullet points are better than the story they told here -- Ross as president hiding his hulk shit, Banner's doc pal as vengeful puppet master, Isaiah as Manchurian candidate assassin, reveal of adamantium in the celestial island and a naval showdown over that resource -- that's all pretty damn good IMO! But the nitty-gritty of the ultimate execution is left significantly wanting.

That island housing a new element that I assume will be relevant to how they reveal their X-men is literally the only interesting thing that will result from that Eternals movie, as far as I can tell.
 

Trunx81

Member
Nowadays it’s just enough to read the synopsis of those movies .. too much at a too short rate. Quantity over quality.

Also interesting that (again) a man succumbs to the madness of becoming a Hulk. She-Hulk was just better in everything (lol).
 
shot on set. Just awful lighting and colour grading.
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I have no doubt that it was originally shot on set, but the final shot in the movie looks like a green screened reshoot. I suppose you could be right and it's actually really really really really bad lighting + color grading, though.


Love these.
The Falcon & Winter Soldier pitch meeting is great too.


Honestly, I think they screwed up by making Falcon & Winter Soldier into a Disney+ show. It's a total mess but it could have been tightened up into a solid 2 hour Cap movie where Sam proves that he deserves the mantle. Could have really dug into the whole Sharon Carter as a villain angle too, who would have worked much better as the villain of a Cap movie over The Leader and Red Hulk lol

I was pretty lukewarm on this movie when I first saw it but the more I'm reminded about it, the more disappointed I am.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Falcon and Winter Soldier deserved a movie. And US Agent especially deserved a movie.
Well, they're getting one with Thunderbolts, no? I suspect that film will be as much of "loose end wrap up" as BNW was for Eternals, TIH, and to some extent F&WS I suppose. Hopefully it is a cohesive story and not a cameo fest of random disconnected scenes. Given what I've seen of the bad guy's abilities (flattening folks into a black smudge) I'm at a loss for why the Thunderbolts would even be called in on such a threat, much less what they could do about it.
 
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