Cyberpunk 2077 Switch 2 offscreen gameplay footage(clearest so far)
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killatopak
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That's only applicable when you're just strictly comparing power consumption. They're an entirely separate issue when looking at visual fidelity. I understand they're related but as I said, it has never become a talking point when strictly comparing how a game looks.
You can't dismiss every comparison with it runs a lower TDP therefore all criticism are moot.
Lower graphical quality is inevitable with the Switch and in return you get the ability to play portable. In the context, it's expected but at the same time you can't dismiss that it disappointing when compared to older hardware. I have seen a few people in the forum mention that they play the Switch exclusively docked for one reason or another. Being portable becomes pointless entirely.
James Sawyer Ford
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A dock is not a mobile device, and secondly it's not using anything close to aggressive power limits or a competitive node. This isn't hard to understand and I'm not sure why you're so quick to defend against claims of switch 2 not being impressive in a docked console mode, when they're way late to the party and it's the worst place to play on the TV
It would only be impressive had they actually designed the dock with more competitive specs and power draw in mind.
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ShadowNinja
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I'm going to buy this version of the game
Gaiff
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The point is, someone pointed out that it's a mobile device. You guys went "nuh huh, it's docked" as if it somehow transformed it into a home console and eschewed its limitations. Furthermore, the Switch is the only hybrid of its kind from the major 3. I can guarantee, whenever Xbox or Sony come out with their portable or hybrid machines, power consumption will be a talking point.
Said from engineering expert JSF. You have no idea how this chip scales. Stop this shit.
I don't care one bit if you consider it impressive or not. It's not Sony, so you were always going to downplay it. The counter-argument that it isn't a mobile device when docked is asinine. Does the T234 somehow get replaced by something else? No? Then it's still is one. It therefore cannot be impressive compared to anything like a PS5 or SX.
James Sawyer Ford
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Yawn, Nintendo deciding to go cheap on silicon doesn't make it impressive, sorry. You need to actually design competitive hardware for that. There's no rational basis for claiming otherwise.
Gaiff
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>Deciding to go cheap on silicon
>When it's the best mobile SOC available on the NVIDIA side
Makes sense.
Cyberpunkd
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You understand Steam Deck (or fuck it - ROG Ally) is a thing? Also both give you way more options when it comes to power vs. performance than Nintendo's "one size fits all"?
People are doing some bizarre mental gymnastics here - Nintendo pulled same thing they did with Switch: they purposely went with cheap, older tech in order to protect their profit margins (which are the highest amount the Top 3), except this time they are also trying to see how much they can push on the software front - paid tutorial, $90 games, chat that will only work with subscription a year from now, etc.
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James Sawyer Ford
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Has absolutely zero to do with the topic at hand, when they could have picked a more competitive node and gotten a lot better SoC performance, new chips releasing months later that will perform significantly better
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Lysandros
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This is not a direct comparison. Hold your horses until a proper video analysis comparing the current builds drops.
What's the source for average frame rate figures for Switch 2 by the way OP? And the resolution while at it. Is it using reconstruction? Again with proper sources to back it up please.
What's the source for average frame rate figures for Switch 2 by the way OP? And the resolution while at it. Is it using reconstruction? Again with proper sources to back it up please.
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Hero_Select
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How much would that make the Switch 2 cost?
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Gaiff
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And where's that SOC you are talking about?
James Sawyer Ford
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Perhaps enough at $450 to where Nintendo would break even rather than making massive profits, like most other base consoles
The one they didn't get designed because they cared a lot more about profits than releasing competitive hardware
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Ritsumei2020
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In my dreams
Gaiff
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Nobody among the Big 3 got a fully custom chip. They all customized SoCs already in the production pipeline. Nintendo did the exact same thing as the others, but because they went mobile, you're bitching about performance.
James Sawyer Ford
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There's chips coming out in months that will be far more performant with better technology than being based on a 2022 chip like switch 2, why do you keep ignoring this fact?
Modern consoles all preceded or closely aligned with launches of PC equivalent SoC and nodes
Switch 2 is years old in comparison
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Steam Deck ran this…in a very uneven way. Source: I have one.
Baemono
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このクソもういちどでわない
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lakitu1982
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I have and love the Deck yes. The Switch 2 offers things this can't. I'm not interested in Windows handhelds, they're trash.
Hero_Select
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Nintendo is nowhere near close to making the money that Sony and Microsoft do. The other two can lean on their other many many other business and products and even take a loss if they really want to push sales.
The Switch 2 SOC is fine. It's better than Steam Decks and outperforms the PS4 in a lot of areas while also having access to DLSS and Raytracing. You're expecting too much - get one of those $800 PC handhelds if you want your graphics.
balls of snow
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Great and all but need to see how long it last on battery in portable mode.
If the Switch 2 is performing similarly to the Steam Deck then it's delivering 2X+ the performance per watt on a supposedly far inferior process. But of course we aren't allowed to find that impressive, since engineering work doesn't count unless it is on a 7nm or greater process. And consumers only care about the product they could have bought in a hypothetical world decided by you, not the product they are actually buying.
I also see you are back with the FUD about much faster APUs coming out, when everything new from AMD is significantly bigger and designed to be sold in enthusiast class products. While Nvidia has precisely zero new consumer APUs.
Gaiff
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Yes, in months. Those things are designed in advance. The earliest speculated date is Q4 2025, so 4-6 months minimum.
Your solution to a Switch that's already 8 years old would be to delay it until late 2025 or potentially even 2026. Then there's the significant price hike, release timetables, and chip allocation to consider. You're talking as if those SoCs would be out next month when we don't even have a release date. Blackwell was originally slated for September/October 2024 and got delayed to January. RDNA4 also got pushed back.
This isn't AMD. Nintendo isn't one of NVIDIA's biggest customers. Those wafers will go to chips for AI, mobile devices, and shit like that.
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James Sawyer Ford
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Yep
Not a big ask, if they wanted an 8nm chip to be impressive they should have launched in 2022
Danjin44
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So you want Switch 2 get delayed to late 2025 or even 2026 for sake better graphics....maybe you havent notice but majority of people outside of gaming forums are not as crazy obsess about graphics as much you are.
Panajev2001a
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Find it impressive, Ampere vs RDNA2 had good power consumption advantage I believe, it is. Also you are comparing a console environment with a Linux PC with an additional abstraction layer (Proton).
Nintendo could have invested (as nVIDIA was even suggesting) into Ada and use a more advanced process like 5nm which would have benefitted users with better battery life. On top of having more efficient / faster Tensor Cores and RT units (RT will become more and more used as time goes on… before the console is out we will already have at least two major titles that require RT and more will come).
James Sawyer Ford
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I never said the switch 2 hardware wasn't "fine" - it is.
I just stated it's not exactly "impressive" for 2025 tech
That's not what we're discussing. It's ok to not care about graphics much, but let's not try and describe something as extremely impressive when it doesn't fit that definition
Gaiff
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At the height of covid fighting for wafers against big customers looking for chips for their shitty cars. Don't you remember what was happening back then when they had to stop producing cars due to running out of semiconductors? Then we saw prices skyrocket because of supply issues?
I edited my post, but NVIDIA isn't AMD. Nintendo isn't one of their biggest customers like Sony is for AMD. All this stuff would have gone to cars in 2022, and in 2026, the same will happen. It'll all go to mobile devices or AI-powered bullshit. Not to mention Blackwell was slated for September 2024 but got pushed back to 2025 due to fatal design flaws and we still have no release date for those new chips that were also impacted. They could come out in mid-2026 for all we know.
You're not being reasonable in the slightest.
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Panajev2001a
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Why would they need to be delayed to late 2025? Sure, at a price and maybe not as willingly as AMD, but nVIDIA would have been happy to deliver for the same date something based on Lovelace (ADA) or Blackwell with some semi custom features from somewhere further out in their roadmap. Nintendo is not buying chips at retail and customising them after.
Danjin44
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You are free not be "impress" but other people can...I own PS5 and I'm still impress about Switch 2 can do.....Let's be honest here you never ever going get "impress" whatever Nintendo does.
Panajev2001a
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Blackwell came out on PC in early 2025 and it would have been possible for them to get it on Switch earlier in (same thing nVIDIA did for OG Xbox with the first twin vertex shaders setup and AMD did for Xbox 360, PS4, PS4 Pro, XSX|S, and PS5).
To be fair Lovelace with some back ported features from Blackwell and maybe even some features cherry picked from a future generation would have been possible for a 2025 launch… IF Nintendo paid nViDIA to do it, nVIDIA was actually pushing for it this time and compared to Switch 1 they did provide a semi custom design not just a repackaged Tegra with some features just switched off and lower clockspeed.
Lysandros
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You think Switch 2's ~ 1 GHz (8c) Cortex A78C CPU is better than Steam deck's Zen 2 CPU (4c/8t) running at 2.4-3.5 GHz? You know that Steam Deck has 4 GB more RAM and higher bandwidth (as handheld) right?
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No, Ampere was not ahead in efficiency.
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And yes, you're correct that's it's not a "fair" comparison, but I am also being lenient with the 2X figure considering that Rich found the Steam Deck consumed up to 28W.
And it can be true both that Switch 2 could have been a better product with different constraints, and that it is still impressive given the constraints that Nintendo was working with.
James Sawyer Ford
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I'm getting a switch 2 day one and I'm excited about its future lineup.
I think Switch 2 is a good piece of technology especially by Nintendo's usual standards. I just think they could have made it more competitive for a product releasing in 2025, and Cyberpunk being showcased as one of the worst multiple versions against consoles 5 years older isn't doing itself any favors
Gaiff
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I'm sure that would have gone well. NVIDIA can't even get GPUs in the hands of customers and has massive supply issues because everything is going to data centers and business clients. Nintendo would have had to fight for a more expensive new node against car manufacturers and mobile device suppliers. Would have been a sight to behold to see the 10 Switch 2 ever produced just disappear from shelves.
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Danjin44
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You guys need accept the fact Nintendo heck even majority of Japanese developers (other than Kojima) stopped chasing graphic race long time ago.
Panajev2001a
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This is just Fox and Grapes cope I am sorry. 5nm is not the newest node in town anymore and it is not what auto car makers are fighting for, but sure Nintendo would have had to use some of their very very large cash reserves (not a poor company by any stretch of the imagination), but they are free not to and people are free not to call it out too.
Panajev2001a
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You need to accept that people suffering from worse battery life (no worries, Nintendo knows it and will sell you a new revised chipset in a few years and then an OLED model) is every user not just the fans and the "haters", those who cope and those who do not
.Graphics race or not, RT as a game making capability is here to stay and for the same reason I would be very disappointed if Valve did not choose RDNA4 or better for Steam Deck 2, I am not totally happy with Nintendo settling on Ampere vs Ada or Blackwell with some even newer components they plucked from their roadmap like say MS or Sony do with AMD now.
If Nintendo made the chip simpler and cheaper by removing the RT cores because it does not matter and they want to help consumers fine, but they are there… and ports from other consoles will depend on them more and more. Overall of course this is not meant to be a portable PS5 Pro and everything is scaled down, but some things will have to be there.
Even DF is now looking at DLSS on Switch and not being as confident it could help as much as people hope unless they have a cheaper and lower quality model (upscaling to 4K with DLSS 3.x at 60 FPS might be out of the question, possibly even at 30 FPS it might be difficult).
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RetroGamingUK
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A handheld in docked mode is still a handheld.
The funny thing is that if Nintendo had provided the same performance on 7nm, they would likely have received a lot less criticism, for choosing a "good enough" process, and the performance and battery life would still seem decent relative to the TDP of the Steam Deck. And moreover we still don't even know for sure that T239 is fabricated on 8nm, since there is some possibility it is using Samsung 5nm.
Gaiff
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No, this is just reality because Nintendo doesn't operate in a vacuum. They went with the best Tegra chip currently available and in the near future. Nobody else made full custom chips, so why should we expect Nintendo to or fault them for not doing it? If better NVIDIA mobile SoCs were readily available and Nintendo had cheaped out, then you'd have a point, but this isn't the case.
Wii was a cheap and weak piece of crap. Same for the WiiU, and I think the Switch, but I'd have to recheck. The Switch 2 is perfectly fine and not just Nintendo being misers.
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Danjin44
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Then you gonna continue be disappointed by Nintendo, as for me I'm not tech enthusiast enough care to have "lated tech" in my system, all I care about is if the game has good visual style and fun to play.You need to accept that people suffering from worse battery life (no worries, Nintendo knows it and will sell you a new revised chipset in a few years and then an OLED model) is every user not just the fans and the "haters", those who cope and those who do not
Graphics race or not, RT as a game making capability is here to stay and for the same reason I would be very disappointed if Valve did not choose RDNA4 or better for Steam Deck 2, I am not totally happy with Nintendo settling on Ampere vs Ada or Blackwell with some even newer components they plucked from their roadmap like say MS or Sony do with AMD now.
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oshho
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is not, is a docked
Heisenberg007
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I have one, too. Granted I didn't get too far (so perhaps the performance takes a hit in the latter parts of the game), I was playing it at 40 FPS, and the performance and visuals were surprisingly good.