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[Vognerful]

H

ow safe is a sloth as a pet? I mean those long claws look really scary.

 

[skit_data]

Alex actually thinks the opposite to what matt says here.

How so?

Hargett mentions nothing about future games relying on either approaches?

 

[Vognerful]

Yup, I won’t hold my breath when it comes to redoing comparisons. DF have too much shit on their table already, and I have barely seen Richard in all year. Most comparisons have been with Tom, someone I barely consider part of the core team of DF.

I wonder why Richard doesn't get his hands dirty much in game comparisons.

 

[Topher]

It has been an interesting year for sure. The main take away from this year that I've noticed time and time again is that the differences between these consoles are really small. Such that, as an owner of both consoles, game performance is not likely to be the determining factor as to what system I choose for any particular game to play on. I feel I can safely choose other aspects of the system such as do I want to get the Platinum trophy or is the game on Game Pass or the game is on sale on one system and so on rather than worrying about a game looking noticeably better on one system. Whether that remains the case, we will see, but my gut tells me insignificant and unnoticeable variations in resolution will continue to be the key difference in multiplats. But I'm really looking forward to seeing how the first parties squeeze out every ounce of juice from these machines.

 

[adamsapple]

It just removed the stutters, so you're unlikely to see any performance increase in older games.

Possibly, but just what even 'fixed' the stutters in the game over time anyway, that itself is an interesting point. Better I/O utilization triggered via system updates ? Reduction in OS footprint ? It's a subject I would love to find out more on.

I can't believe we're over a year in and some people are still dreaming of secret sauces and "tools".

Control is one noteworthy example. There may be more.

The sauce is real.

How so?

Hargett mentions nothing about future games relying on either approaches?

I think it would be heavily dependent on the engine right ? which approach may work better than the other ?

 

[skit_data]

I wonder why Richard doesn't get his hands dirty much in game comparisons.

He’s busy finding proximity to radio towers for his CP2077 on Stadia comparison contribution.

Yeah, that’s pretty much all I’ve seen of him this year outside of DF Direct.

 

[GHG]

Control is one noteworthy example. There may be more.

The sauce is real.

Good luck and sweet dreams I guess.

 

[Sosokrates]

How so?

Hargett mentions nothing about future games relying on either approaches?

Matt says last gen engines will benefit from wide and slow, alex says lastgen/crossgen are benifiting from the faster fixed function hardware of the PS5.

 

[adamsapple]

Good luck and sweet dreams I guess.

Aye man if it's helping out games, I'm all the more welcoming of it.

I bought Control Ultimate Edition on SX *because* of confirmation that the stutters are fixed.

They got at least 1 more sale .

 

[skit_data]

Matt says last gen engines will benefit from wide and slow, alex says lastgen/crossgen are benifiting from the faster fixed function hardware of the PS5.

No, read the tweet again and especially emphasize on ”and vice versa”. In short he says ”some older games like wide, some old games likes fast”. That’s all he says.

 

[Sosokrates]

No, read the tweet again and especially emphasize on ”and vice versa”. In short he says ”some older games like wide, some old likes fast”. That’s all he says.

When he says vice versa it would mean newer engines would run better on narrow and fast, no?

 

[Physiognomonics]

Matt says last gen engines will benefit from wide and slow, alex says lastgen/crossgen are benifiting from the faster fixed function hardware of the PS5.

This is wishful thinking not based on reality. The reality is that we already have a next-gen engine heavily using compute and showing high number of polygons / assets with UE5.

Matrix demo (high poly / assets/ high compute + RT use) is what all UE5 games will be based on. And for now PS5 actually performs better than XBox using that engine that using the old gen engine (UE4) where the Xbox had actually a slight advantage in most cases.

 

[skit_data]

When he says vice versa it would mean newer engines would run better on narrow and fast, no?

I read it as some old games favor wide, some old favor fast. That’s all I take from his tweet.
It doesn’t really say anything about which could be considered better in future game engines.

Edit: For the record I’ve seen this being thrown around as console war fodder but it really is worthless because AFAIK all he’s talking about is old engines favoring either apporach, which is pretty worthless when it comes to discussing future game engines and which approach they will rely on.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

PCMR types like Alex(mfer complains about the DS when talking Returnal) can never be taken serious or should never be used in these console videos.

 

[Leyasu]

Compute heavy engines would favor Xbox hey? Like UE5 matrix demo?

But epic said that ue5 was more suited to the fast I/O and SSD on the PS5

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Nice to see all of them say the xss wasn't going to cut it though.

 

[Sosokrates]

I read it as some old games favor wide, some old favor fast. That’s all I take from his tweet.
It doesn’t really say anything about which could be considered better in future game engines.

Alex seems to think that the higher clocks works better with last gen engines and leveraging compute is the direction the industry is going.
Matt says the opposite that wide and slow architecture of the xsx works better for last gen engines, Alex literally thinks the opposite of this.

 

[Three]

Alex talking about control at the start.

Very interesting what he says here.

Alex being wrong as usual then. UE5 relies heavily on compute. It isn't showing in the Matrix Awakens demo.

 

[Sosokrates]

Nice to see all of them say the xss wasn't going to cut it though.

Huh?
They dont say this, they say depsite not being for them what the seriesS is doing is positive, because the fundemental render pipelines are working on the seriesS.

 

[Riky]

Yeah, "ALEX IS A XBOX SPY" in 3,2,1.

But for those generally interested, what he says here does make a lot of sense. Where the XSX's higher compute will see bigger gains because its the direction of the industry.

It might not be want some want to hear but everyone knows it's the truth, when we get heavy next gen games we will find out for sure, but we see it on PC so it's a real thing.

 

[Sosokrates]

Alex being wrong as usual then. UE5 relies heavily on compute. It isn't showing in the Matrix Awakens demo.

Explain the xsx control RT performance advantage then...

 

[Mr Moose]

Alex seems to think that the higher clocks works better with last gen engines and leveraging compute is the direction the industry is going.
Matt says the opposite that wide and slow architecture of the xsx works better for last gen engines, Alex literally thinks the opposite of this.

One of them has experience with this stuff, the other works at Digital Foundry.
Also, I think you're reading it wrong, Matt says some engines favour wide while some favour narrow/fast.

Explain the xsx control RT performance advantage then...

Not during gameplay.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Huh?
They dont say this, they say depsite not being for them what the seriesS is doing is positive, because the fundemental render pipelines are working on the seriesS.

Not for them|Not going to cut it.

 

[adamsapple]

Not for them|Not going to cut it.

Not for their specific use cases as a tech firm. I think their commentary is pretty clear.

I think it's very safe to say that tech-savvy folks are not the Series S's primary target audience.

Not during gameplay.

I would have loved it if Control had a 1080p/60 RT mode.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Explain the xsx control RT performance advantage then...

Stooping to the level of comparing last gen games is pretty desperate

 

[Riky]

Huh?
They dont say this, they say depsite not being for them what the seriesS is doing is positive, because the fundemental render pipelines are working on the seriesS.

They say running both this and Metro on Series S as it does means developers only have one pipeline path which is what they wanted. So good news.

 

[ZywyPL]

PCMR types like Alex(mfer complains about the DS when talking Returnal) can never be taken serious or should never be used in these console videos.

Interesting take given the consoles are just PCs except with custom OS... If anything, it's the console-only guys with their delusions and wet dreams who shouldn't be taken seriously

 

[Mr Moose]

I would have loved it if Control had a 1080p/60 RT mode.

Is it 1440p/30? I added it to library but never bothered playing it

 

[Sosokrates]

One of them has experience with this stuff, the other works at Digital Foundry.
Also, I think you're reading it wrong, Matt says some engines favour wide while some favour narrow/fast.

Not during gameplay.

Because the framerate is locked in gameplay.
Didnt you watch the video?

 

[Mr Moose]

Because the framerate is locked in gameplay.
Didnt you watch the video?

This video? Fuck no, I am not watching 1 and a half hours of them chatting. It wasn't locked in their other video, from what I remember.

 

[DForce]

Possibly, but just what even 'fixed' the stutters in the game over time anyway, that itself is an interesting point. Better I/O utilization triggered via system updates ? Reduction in OS footprint ? It's a subject I would love to find out more on.

They said it gave XSX a slight advantage after removing that minor issue. I don't know how they would translate to any significant performance gains.

 

[adamsapple]

Is it 1440p/30? I added it to library but never bothered playing it

RT mode is 1440p/30

Non RT "Performance mode" is 1440p/60 and a pretty good lock at it

Going by their photo mode comparison video (yes yes, I know, get your comments in while it's hot), the Series X hits high 50s or 60 in many places, it has a 16 to 17 FPS advantage on PS5 in some places, but in other places they're both barely above 30.

So, I imagine that either with an aggressive DRS implementation or a straight up 1080p with reduced RT effects, a 1080p/60 'lite' RT more could have been feasible for most of the game.

They said it gave XSX a slight advantage after removing that minor issue. I don't know how they would translate to any significant performance gains.

No the performance improvement part is my own commentary. Unless they do a follow up video, we don't know what kind of (If any at all) improvements other games have had since last year. The stutters being completely eliminated has a big net positive on performance, not just strictly from a "it adds more FPS". Previously, any time any text would pop up on the screen, there would be a drop of a few frames with a stutter.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Because the framerate is locked in gameplay.
Didnt you watch the video?

So XSX with VRR in the "locked" mode performs worse.

 

[Sosokrates]

This video? Fuck no, I am not watching 1 and a half hours of them chatting. It wasn't locked in their other video, from what I remember.

The photo mode unlocks the framerate, which provides a way to benchmark on console.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Is it 1440p/30? I added it to library but never bothered playing it

It's a last gen game with terrible optimizations.

 

[Sosokrates]

So XSX with VRR in the "locked" mode performs worse.

 

[adamsapple]

I don't know what Soulz is smoking but I want a hit of that for sure.

 

[Riky]

So XSX with VRR in the "locked" mode performs worse.

They say in the video the Series X version is slightly better in gameplay, the benchmark is a separate issue in photo mode which shows the advantage they thought would be there.

 

[Three]

Explain the xsx control RT performance advantage then...

It has a performance advantage in photomode but this is actually where little to no compute is actually happening especially in terms of physics. The guy (Alex) is trying to suggest that there is this unrealised potential from 'RDNA 2' based simply on this. Unreal Engine 5 and the Matrix Awakens demo however rely heavily on compute since Epic actually didn't use a lot of the fixed function hardware. Where did the advantage go there? He doesn't think about this stuff.

 

[Markio128]

 

[SportsFan581]

A decent year in review from the bits I watched (had to skip around, 90minutes is a little long there DF). Hopefully 2022 will be the year of the true current-gen games.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

They say in the video the Series X version is slightly better in gameplay, the benchmark is a separate issue in photo mode which shows the advantage they thought would be there.

"According to Digital Foundry's testing, PS5 does have a slight advantage in sticking to a stable 60 FPS when playing in Performance mode. "

Control Ultimate Edition PS5 and Xbox Series X performance comparison puts them side by side

One has a slight edge

www.gamesradar.com

 

[twilo99]

Who paid who and for what?

 

[N0S]

 

[ParaSeoul]

PCMR types like Alex(mfer complains about the DS when talking Returnal) can never be taken serious or should never be used in these console videos.

I get hes there for technical analysis and hes great at that when it comes time to actually talk about the games hes stuck repeating the same few points.

 

[SportsFan581]

Who paid who and for what?

Everybody paid everybody for nothing.

 

[Fess]

It has been an interesting year for sure. The main take away from this year that I've noticed time and time again is that the differences between these consoles are really small. Such that, as an owner of both consoles, game performance is not likely to be the determining factor as to what system I choose for any particular game to play on. I feel I can safely choose other aspects of the system such as do I want to get the Platinum trophy or is the game on Game Pass or the game is on sale on one system and so on rather than worrying about a game looking noticeably better on one system.

Perfect conclusion. At this point DF compare differences that can’t be noticed unless there is a fps graph or zoomed-in still picture. The big differences they’ve seen has been bugs which has been fixed. And both have so many first party studios now that any serious console gamer will eventually have to have both consoles. Plus a Nintendo console. Expensive but hopefully worth it.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Everybody paid everybody and got nothing.

Edited

 

[Riky]

"According to Digital Foundry's testing, PS5 does have a slight advantage in sticking to a stable 60 FPS when playing in Performance mode. "

Control Ultimate Edition PS5 and Xbox Series X performance comparison puts them side by side

One has a slight edge

www.gamesradar.com

Watch the video, it was fixed on Series X, Richard mentioned it earlier in the year it's now basically a locked framerate, it was a Microsoft patch that fixed it.

 

[sircaw]

.

It has been an interesting year for sure. The main take away from this year that I've noticed time and time again is that the differences between these consoles are really small. Such that, as an owner of both consoles, game performance is not likely to be the determining factor as to what system I choose for any particular game to play on. I feel I can safely choose other aspects of the system such as do I want to get the Platinum trophy or is the game on Game Pass or the game is on sale on one system and so on rather than worrying about a game looking noticeably better on one system. Whether that remains the case, we will see, but my gut tells me insignificant and unnoticeable variations in resolution will continue to be the key difference in multiplats. But I'm really looking forward to seeing how the first parties squeeze out every ounce of juice from these machines.

Hopefully, we can get back to what matters the most, Games.

This next year ahead has some tremendous big hitters coming in, Feburay alone has two of them, what a time to be a gamer.