BadBurger
Banned
Agreed, with this latest patch literally everything about the game feels better to me.
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Diablo 4 releases on Steam with ‘mixed,’ reviews and less than 2,500 players
Agreed, with this latest patch literally everything about the game feels better to me.
Little Chicken
Gold Member
I stopped playing before season 1, a lot of other people did as well. There's just no incentive to keep playing once you hit around lvl80.
ahtlas7
Member
He is correct. I too played through the single player without spending a penny, on my freaking Ipad and it was fun, especially compared to 4.
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Lucifers Beard
Member
You played it for the Story? It's the same shit every game. It's serviceable I guess, but I was there for the carnage, not to care and feel things.
Diablo 3 at least after the expansion released had an end game I actually enjoyed for a few dozen hours. I hope this will be the same eventually, but I have my doubts.
SJRB
Gold Member
Rage, frustration and boredom aren't the feelings I'm looking for when playing a videogame.
Mephisto40
Member
TBF to Blizzard, if they'd released Diablo 4 in the state it is in in Season 2, it wouldn't have received anywhere near the amount of hate it got, unfortunately I think it's too little too late at this point, I'm enjoying season 2 though
Little Mac
Gold Member
For some weird reason, Diablo games seem to always take a huge step back at launch when compared to their predecessors. Usually takes an expansion to get them on par or above previous entries. D2 wasn't amazing until after LoD. D3 wasn't great until after RoS.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Can’t say I’m surprised, when Diablo has always been synonymous with Battlenet. Most people bought it there.
I think there’s better ARPGs to play on Steam, for less money. As it is though D4 isn’t a bad game.
I think there’s better ARPGs to play on Steam, for less money. As it is though D4 isn’t a bad game.
Diablo 2 when it first came out seemed pretty amazing to me after Diablo 1.
PeteBull
Member
D3, even after expack, is way way worse from d1/d2, and d4 is even worse from d3 with an expack, i say it as a guy who spend roughly around 10k hours in the diablo series games, hell i was so desperate i even tried diablo immortal(puked hard after like 1,5 hours
).I was very hopeful about d4, preordered it, playet tons, but cant be helped, devs(and i mean head devs, ppl who make crucial decisions) gotta fix game's core- gameplay loop and itemisation, till those things are fixed nothing else matters.
Laieon
Member
That's great, but I don't find PoE fun. I find DIV fun. I couldn't care less if PoE didn't get the fall off this did, because I didn't enjoy my time with PoE (granted, that was almost a decade ago) and have no interest in returning to it. It's just not what I want out of an ARPG. I've also said at least once in this thread that I'm the type of gamer that's looking to spend 100s or 1000s of hours on one game, so something that is "designed for the crack addict equivalent of gamers" is irrelevant (and actively working against) my preferences.
Again, as I stated in my original post you might feel differently and you're more than entitled to your opinion. I don't have low standards, just different standards. It's not dumb just because you disagree with it, that's a childish and immature take.
Also, I'm a fan and I'm not bitching about it. If someone doesn't like something, are they a fan?
You:
Yeah, Necromancer is great. I hope we get Witch Doctor someday, I miss my frogs.
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hyperbertha
Member
You coming into a hate thread uninvited: "stop hating on what I like"You:
Draugoth
Gold Member
Diablo 3 was donkey balls when it release,d but it's much better now (and better than Diablo 4) it also doesnt have a cosmetic shop. Everything in the game is FREE
ResilientBanana
Member
When are you guys going to find out that judging games based off their steam numbers isn't the way to go when they are multi-plat.
PeteBull
Member
By that point no1 will be stupid enough to preorder or buy it anymore ;/
PeteBull
Member
I judge games based on their quality, d4 has terrible core mechanics, despite crazy budget and dev time, so ofc as a customer and longtime fan of the series im pissed af, steam numbers/reviews is just players who actually bought the game in hopes its decent hack and slash continuation of games we loved and played for years, if we knew tha its just 30h of story to beat then leave before u puke out of boredoom and disgust no1 (or rather 99,9% of players) would buy it.
In d4's case metacritic score is totally false, coz reviewers arent ur normal diablo players, they get game for free, play it for a week or two and thats it, diablo players love the franchise/its gameplay mechanics coz it was fun for months/years - tousands of hours played, and it only got better with time when u dig deepr, here in d4 game gets worse the more u play it =/
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Interfectum
Member
Blizzard would have taken Steam by storm in their heyday. They used to be so loved their games would be sitting up there with Valve's. Look at them now... Jesus Christ what a husk of a company.
Little Mac
Gold Member
Maybe the exception, but D2 didn't become the pinnacle of the genre until Lords of Destruction came out. D3 was a huge step back when it launched and many considered it a disappointment until Reaper of Souls expac was released and it finally found its footing. D4 again was a huge step back from post RoS D3. Maybe in time it will earn the Diablo moniker ... or maybe because of community backlash it will be abandoned by the devs.
Last Hearth
Member
In a minute and a half this video explains everything wrong with Diablo IV's itemization. In a game of this genre, loot is everything, when the loot sucks, nobody wants to play your game. I don't know how they could have screw up the loot this badly.
Mortisfacio
Member
Thank you! I've always felt D2 didn't become what it was until LoD and people just seem to misremember since it was so long ago. Can't remember what the game was like prior and only recall the fond memories with LoD.
Season 2 is a big step in the right direction, but it still has flaws. My hope is the game becomes quality Diablo before an expansion, but time will tell. I hated D3 at launch as well, yet after RoS I played nearly all seasons (i stopped for a year or so around season 14 out of rage - lost my HC character to an internet outage)
Compared to what? I don't know what the leading arpgs were at the time of it's release but Diablo 2 felt like a huge upgrade over the first game. As a big fan of Diablo 1 I was in no way disappointed by the sequel when it came out the way I feel about D3 and 4. A lot of balance issues may have cropped up over time but it still felt like an amazing game.
Laieon
Member
Nothing in the original post says "I hate this" or "h8ters 0nly" and blatantly spells out reasons why the player count, extremely valid ones that others have also mentioned in this thread, might be as low as they are. It would be like if Valve decided for whatever reason to release Left 4 Dead or Half Life on the Epic Store - those player count numbers (I assume they're tracked somewhere) would probably be low too because they've been easily accessible elsewhere (Steam) on the same platform (PC) for years.
What you perceive as a "hate thread" (what a stupid fucking idea for a thread in the first place) might not be that and not everyone needs to bend to your pessimistic views. I know it's shocking, but some people still have fun playing video games in 2023.
I will say that I wasn't aware that you had to receive "invitations" to post on threads on this forum though and therefore wasn't familiar with the concept of being "uninvited" to one, so my apologies.
I'd bet money that this is how the vast majority of the playerbase dating back to the original game have played and engaged with Diablo. The ones putting hundreds if not thousands of hours into it aren't the "normal" players at all. Hardcore players never are.
Be honest, this is a series where each game has sold millions if not tens of millions of copies. Do you really think the majority of players stuck around for more than a couple weeks?
You shouldn't be because D4 isn't the kind of ARPG you're looking for based on your preferences, and that's fine.
In a world where PoE and D2 exist, I'm far more interested in D4 (and D3) because I like more casual, relaxing experiences. I want more Torchlight 2 (shame about the sequels though) than I do PoE.
Last Epoch though is fantastic, definitely give that a shot if you haven't played it yet. It has some really cool settings and is constantly mixing them up.
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hyperbertha
Member
You clearly missed the fact that it was a dumb reply to your even dumber meme.
Drizzlehell
Banned
Even as a story driven single player experience it's a supremely dull game. I'd rather go back and play D2 Resurrected or Diablo 3 again than revisit this.
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Laieon
Member
Memes are inherently dumb so I'll wear this post as a badge of honor... if it were my dumb meme in the first place. Alas, it an ancient one.
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PeteBull
Member
Legendary status of d1 and d2 isnt coz of what d4 has solid, so graphics/story, both of those games became legendary coz they are timeless, core of those games is simply really well thought- ppl in charge who made them, knew what they were doing.
As an anecdote, i played og d1 vanilla, no mods, no expack, in summer 2017(was few months before i upgraded my pc), and it still holds up, ofc it has mechanics that are outdated, but it was just as fun to play and entertaining as at launch, thats how good of a game it is.
Edit: Oh and if d4 was supposed to be another game players should play for a week or two, like reviewers, then why devs are making new seasons and trying to hold as much playerbase as possible? if we treat it as 2weeks game then s1, s2(that just started, but still has all the nastiness that game had at launch, just bit of new stuff sprinkled on top) and later seasons gonna be there, thats the definition of game made to be played for years/tens of hours.
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Laieon
Member
Maybe, but as another anecdote my first exposure to D2 was resurrected and its by far the Diablo game I've put the least time into. I don't think I even finished Lord of Destruction, I just ultimately wasn't have as much fun with it has I did D3. Different strokes, I guess. As someone who doesn't have nostalgia for it, I don't like its aged nearly as well as other 20+ year old PC games. Age of Empires II is still the gold standard for that imo.
The art style of D2 is definitely great though, I don't like the gameplay all that much but it looks gorgeous.
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Loke
Member
Should've ended with Lord of Destruction IMO.
PeteBull
Member
U have right to ur own opinion, but if u state that d2 is worse from d3, then its like u would state matrix 1 is worse from matrix2/3 or that new reboot/continuation, true fan of the series cant take ur opinion/taste seriously, its like those younglings loving fortnite or overwatch, its their choice, but can u really hold any proper discussion over quality of a game/s with that crowd if they enjoy that shit =D
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
The game should have been called Lilith. Diablo IV should have had Diablo in it.
Lucifers Beard
Member
Booted it up yesterday, made a seasonal character. Had no idea what the fuck I was doing. I've already finished the game back on release but I just don't know what's going on. I feel like they made the user experience confusing without good reason.
Then I looked at the upgrade menu and it dawned on me that I absolutely cannot be fucking bothered to create a meta build and then knew I'd need to go looking around online for a reasonable Rogue build.
I feel like even though I'm only 36, I'm just too old for this shit.
Then I looked at the upgrade menu and it dawned on me that I absolutely cannot be fucking bothered to create a meta build and then knew I'd need to go looking around online for a reasonable Rogue build.
I feel like even though I'm only 36, I'm just too old for this shit.
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Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Right. It’s lame to have to redo it all just for seasonal content. I don’t have time to start a level 1 character. There are too many other games to play and other real life stuff to do. The Diablo IV team is oblivious to that thought.
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Mortisfacio
Member
I'm sure one of the 2 expansions in production has Diablo in it. Modern Blizzard plan was to sell the hype and drag it out. They just didn't execute very well. Beta reception most online communities were in love with the game. Game launched and still overwhelmingly favorable. Few weeks post launch, growing amounts of people had issues with the lack of endgame. Then for some dumb reason Blizzard was like "we hear your complaints! The grind is slow and tedious around level 70-80 and it gets worse until 100! So we did you a solid! We nerfed all classes and nerfed XP to make this worse!" And dropped the 1.1 patch which was a failure. 1.2 patch is actually a pretty solid patch, but much of the community still has their panties in a bunch over launch issues + 1.1 patch.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Laieon
Member
Gatekeeping is childish and you can't hold a proper discussion with anyone who legitimately does so, so... we'll just leave it at that.
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PeteBull
Member
Im not telling u to change ur opinion, bro, just if ur pov on those games is what it is, then we cant find consensus here, im sure there are some ppl who for example like fallout 76 more than fallout 4, more power to them, its their subjective judgement that myself and probably 99% players wouldnt agree on simply, its fine tho, not every game is made for every player, u got ppl who cant stand gta series, or witcher series too