nightmare-slain
Gold Member
zoom is too close during exploration/combat. i don't see why they can't zoom it out a bit more. hopefully they let us adjust it at launch.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
It even has an immortal build lol wonder if that will get patched.
Kacho
Gold Member
Sad I missed the world boss. Figured it’d keep spawning every few hours but there were four set times, two of which were 1 and 4 in the morning. Wasn’t able to level a character fast enough because I was busy being a dad. Ahh, good old MMO nonsense where you have to schedule your life around a game.
Fools idol
Banned
sums up a lot of my personal issues with the beta. Hopefuly they increase difficulty..
zomboden
Banned
Enjoyed my time in the beta. Definitely picking up the game day one early access. Looking forward to trying the pet classes next weekend.
My only complaint is the dungeons are badly designed imo. The whole “get 2 boxes on pedestals” or “kill gate keeper” or “kill 3 constructs” stuff is boring as hell. Just let me kill monsters and a big boss at the end. The meaningless objectives are a slog.
My only complaint is the dungeons are badly designed imo. The whole “get 2 boxes on pedestals” or “kill gate keeper” or “kill 3 constructs” stuff is boring as hell. Just let me kill monsters and a big boss at the end. The meaningless objectives are a slog.
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MiguelItUp
Member
I didn't get to check out the world boss either, unfortunately. But I really did enjoy my time with the game. I just REALLY wish you could manually zoom out some more...
Kacho
Gold Member
I upgraded my poll rating from a 3 to a 2. The game slowly won me over and I’m eager to play more. Will definitely play the hell out of the final version no matter what issues I have with the game.
Hopefully they don’t have us waiting for season 1 too long. That’s when things get interesting.
Hopefully they don’t have us waiting for season 1 too long. That’s when things get interesting.
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Kacho
Gold Member
Next weekend. Starts Friday.
nightmare-slain
Gold Member
omegasc
Member
There are higher difficulties to be unlocked. I believe the purpose of the beta is for people to actually do stuff instead of having too much trouble with the content so they get data on flow, bandwidth, itemization, etc.
I hope they let us go beyond "Veteran" before finishing the game, though. I kinda liked vanilla D3 difficulty spike when you found Champions and Elites... had to stop and see what affixes they had in order to prepare for battle. But I guess I was not with the majority of players
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Thanks, I would like to check it out but I can probably get what I want watching a gameplay video. I don't know if I want the game. I am still playing Company of Heroes3 and enjoying it.Good luck getting into it
Queues are going to be insane.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Wait our characters from this weekend do not get wiped for the next weekend??
Sygma
Member
Schmendrick
Member
more complex != moar betta
Kacho
Gold Member
drotahorror
Member
Unless you had a organized group of lvl 25s you ain't puggin that anyway. No one has the dps or wits to kill it before the timer runs out.
Hot5pur
Member
Excited for the open beta next weekend too.
A few improvements that I can think of:
- UI icons are kinda meh, and the UI in general kinda disappointing. Can't imagine it would take too long to rework.
- scaling is weird. I think the same content gets much harder on higher player level. I had a much easier time with Den Mother at low level. I guess this sort of makes sense, but perhaps they could add some special scaling to dungeons, eg. If you're under level 10, the dungeon is your level + 5, if you are level 10 the dungeon is + 4 and scales down until it matches your level at 15 and scales with your level from there. Just some dungeons so there are "difficult" and "regular" ones.
- skill tree modifiers should have more visual flair. The sub-skills just feel like number tweaks, but I feel they could do more in terms of interesting visuals. D3 did this well with runes. I know legendary items do add more flair (like earthquake on stomp) but this makes the skill nodes less exciting and gives you less feedback in terms of feeling powered up
- major boss fights should have more context. A very short cutscenes with zoomed in in-game graphics would suffice, just to give things significance. The final act I boss I just thought was a random boss and really didn't feel the impact of beating it
Beyond that, I feel the game is solid, and if the later acts ramp things nicely in terms of action and set pieces it could be a very memorable game. I do think this caters more to the casual crowd, and I am thankful for that, there are plenty of deeper games if people want that.
A few improvements that I can think of:
- UI icons are kinda meh, and the UI in general kinda disappointing. Can't imagine it would take too long to rework.
- scaling is weird. I think the same content gets much harder on higher player level. I had a much easier time with Den Mother at low level. I guess this sort of makes sense, but perhaps they could add some special scaling to dungeons, eg. If you're under level 10, the dungeon is your level + 5, if you are level 10 the dungeon is + 4 and scales down until it matches your level at 15 and scales with your level from there. Just some dungeons so there are "difficult" and "regular" ones.
- skill tree modifiers should have more visual flair. The sub-skills just feel like number tweaks, but I feel they could do more in terms of interesting visuals. D3 did this well with runes. I know legendary items do add more flair (like earthquake on stomp) but this makes the skill nodes less exciting and gives you less feedback in terms of feeling powered up
- major boss fights should have more context. A very short cutscenes with zoomed in in-game graphics would suffice, just to give things significance. The final act I boss I just thought was a random boss and really didn't feel the impact of beating it
Beyond that, I feel the game is solid, and if the later acts ramp things nicely in terms of action and set pieces it could be a very memorable game. I do think this caters more to the casual crowd, and I am thankful for that, there are plenty of deeper games if people want that.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
Honestly this might sound weird, but I hope they scale down the loot drops at low level, I mean in terms of rarity, I was rocking all rare/legendary apart from a necklace and getting plenty of upgrades into my 20's.
I do honestly feel like blues are just whites now. I feel like there's needs to be a more gradual progression on gear rarity as we go up the low levels.
It feels weird having some uttely build changing sword drop like 4 times before I get to 25...
I did like how many legendary trans mogs I unlocked due to this though, my rouge looked sick.
I do honestly feel like blues are just whites now. I feel like there's needs to be a more gradual progression on gear rarity as we go up the low levels.
It feels weird having some uttely build changing sword drop like 4 times before I get to 25...
I did like how many legendary trans mogs I unlocked due to this though, my rouge looked sick.
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zomboden
Banned
You mean you don’t want to use path of building, poe ninja, and watch an encyclopedias worth of youtube guides just to have a basic understanding of the game?
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Hot5pur
Member
It's likely they scaled the full game loot experience into the beta level window. I also thought the loot system was a bit generous. But there is also the next level up which is uniques. The loot balance is unlikely to be perfect anyhow on day 1, kinda the trickiest part about these types of games
ssringo
Member
I think legendary drop rates are fine with how they're pushing gear progression. Find good legendary, use it until you find something better, recycle special affix onto new gear. You can only do it once per drop and if you can't reasonably find more then you'll push players into hoarding them and never using them until late game.
If anything I think the gambling rates vs rate of obtaining the currency might need tuning. That's where I got most of my legendary items outside of the world boss.
If anything I think the gambling rates vs rate of obtaining the currency might need tuning. That's where I got most of my legendary items outside of the world boss.
Kacho
Gold Member
If that's the case, then yeah the drop rate is probably fine. The system sounds very similar to Diablo 3, expect here you can't use the affix indefinitely.
Oh interesting:
Sacred Legendary Items Diablo IV
Sacred Legendaries are more powerful than regular Legendaries. They only drop when a player reaches higher levels.Ancestral Legendary items
These are the most powerful Legendary items and will replace a player’s Sacred and regular Legendary items when found (although that won’t be often). They drop when a player reaches the highest levels of the game.
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Elder Legend
Banned
Yes, I had that bug happen quite a few times. My friends as well. You can fix it by going into the middle of town, waiting like 30 seconds and then trying again. If it doesn't work, use a different bridge.had to quit because i got stuck in the town area
It's a weird bug that happens when the game tries to phase you in from town to the open region world. We both reported it via the in-game feedback and Blizzard is usually pretty good at fixing stuff like that. Not too worried about it for release.
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So are these actually different items or is this like D3 where you're finding a sacred version of an existing legendary? That system was pretty ass.
Kacho
Gold Member
It sounds like Primal/Ancient Primal legendaries from Diablo 3.
They're seemingly bringing over a lot of features from Diablo 3 and changing them slightly.
Elder Legend
Banned
In regards to difficulty- Did you know Diablo franchise is one of the very few games with like a crazy amount of settings built in yes? If you click the statue in the main town in D4 Beta, you can see the options for World Tier 3 and 4, and I am confident it will have more World Tiers come expansions or seasonal updates.
Diablo 3 by end of its life cycle has 16 difficulties settings. Yes, 16. Goes from Torment 1 to Torment 16, and below Torment are Normal, Nightmare, Hell and Inferno.
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I think the issue is the difficulty scales in a boring way. Spongier enemies who deal a bit more damage each difficulty. Combine this with the way the itemization works and your gear scales and it makes for a pretty dull scale.
Compare that to the way difficulty works in D2 for example. Much more engaging.
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Elder Legend
Banned
They're server wide unlocks. So if you playing a Barbarian and you unlocked a Power Aspect for a Necromancer Only, that means when you roll a Necromancer, you'll have access to that power aspect on that toon. This is really nice, because it's alt-friendly and saves time and rewards players.
However, the aspects will still be locked on your Hardcore character. Because Hardcore characters vs Eternal Characters are 2 seperate entities, so worst case scenario you'll have to unlock them twice. Oke time on a Eternal Server and one time on Hardcore server, but its fine, because Hardcore has its own set a rules and they want to make sure that Hardcore characters progress on their own.
Diablo 3 was same way. You could start a Hardcore toon, get to high level, save up a bunch of gear in the stash and then start another character and access that stash all the gear you acquired when you've played your first Hardcore toon. So losing a character in Hardcore isn't really as bad as people think it is. You just have to be smart and save things up in a stash in case shit goes south.
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ssringo
Member
Pulling the affix off a legendary is a one time use. The ones you obtain from certain dungeons are permanent. Probably will get all affixes by the time you've gone through the whole story and/or various world tiers.
I imagine the really good, build defining one's won't be permanent until late game.
I imagine the really good, build defining one's won't be permanent until late game.
Kacho
Gold Member
One time use as in it can't be extracted again once you apply it to another item?
omegasc
Member
Tell that to my teen self with a Cold "build" fighting a cold immune zombie in A1 just outside the main town with only one or two very weak fire attacks. Can't respec, need to do it all over again after hours spent in that char.
I know there are faster ways to level now, but back in vanilla D2?
ssringo
Member
Yup. Pull it off, imprint on new item and that's it. It can't be pulled off again. Serves a different purpose than the permanent versions that you can apply over and over.
Kacho
Gold Member
I think I like that. In Diablo 3 once you extracted a power, that legendary was salvage for the rest of the season. Now you’ll have to be more picky about when you apply it and store some extras for future use.
ssringo
Member
They still have that though. It's the permanent unlocks you get from side dungeons. I don't think we know if they'll make every single affix unlockable that way though or hold onto the very best ones as single use imprints.
Edit: it's not free to change. Still costs resources.
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Antwix
Member
yeah i remember playing a cold sorc back in the day when I was like 9 years old. felt like every boss in hell was immune to cold. rough stuff... at least you could static them down to like below half health lol
Kacho
Gold Member
Seems the aspects you extract weapons/armor are the most interesting. Like earthquake proccing when you use ground stomp.
bigedole
Member
The aspects you get from the codex of power (beating dungeons) are the weakest version of that aspect, but will always be available to you. When you extract from a legendary item, it is 1 time use but can be quite a bit stronger than the codex version. Once you imprint an item, you can not extract an aspect or imprint to that item again.
Elder Legend
Banned
I can help you out - which dungeon is it exactly? I've done them all and leveled a sorc to 25. What is your build? Can you share a screenshot and what exactly your having an issue with? Boss?
Elder Legend
Banned
I have the following
Hardcore:
Rogue - 22
Barbarian - 13
Eternal:
25 Sorceress
Goal will be to finish of Rogue and Barbarian to 25 on Hardcore. Then do same for Druid and Necro on Hardcore! Can't wait =D
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dorkimoe
Member
Lost Archives. I couldn’t beat the boss first time I tried. Second time I couldn’t even beat the big fat guy who was guarding one of the items i need.
My builds never have any rhyme or reason. I am going to copy this one now and try again- https://www.vg247.com/best-diablo-4-beta-sorcerer-build-for-solo-players
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