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Did GAF pass on Outlaws because it was woke?
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Diseased Yak
Gold Member
This sums up my experience with it as well. I also didn't like the stealth at all. I see what they were going for but man did they fail in the execution.
I will prob pick it up during a Steam Sale at some point in the future, if they fix some of the more glaring issues. I did like the idea of working for the cartels, raising and lowering reputation.
U n i o n 0015
Member
It's not woke, it's uninspired.
The trailer for that cancelled SW game, 1333 or something? That had more personality than Outlaws.
The trailer for that cancelled SW game, 1333 or something? That had more personality than Outlaws.
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Radical_3d
Member
I don’t know what a dustborn is. Much less how it’s mechanics work. I only see it in the thread titles here. But the case here is aesthetic vs design wise.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Yep, mediocre game seemingly worse than your average Farcry / AC that will be in a lot better state in 6 months to a year for 1/3 the price.
Kokoloko85
Member
People loved the announcement. It looked like usual Ubisoft to me, didnt get the hype
Then the Face changed, after that Forums and social media went for the throat. Its hated more because its woke, despite the people who do the mental gymnastics that its not because of woke.
Its up for video game studios if they want to keep going this route
Then the Face changed, after that Forums and social media went for the throat. Its hated more because its woke, despite the people who do the mental gymnastics that its not because of woke.
Its up for video game studios if they want to keep going this route
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Pejo
Gold Member
Ugly "it's just a dude but female" main character, awful gameplay, Ubislop systems, modern Star Wars IP.
There was just nothing about it that made me give it the benefit of the doubt to try it. If Star Wars was still a strong IP or the character was cute, I'd have maybe tried it for ~$30.
There was just nothing about it that made me give it the benefit of the doubt to try it. If Star Wars was still a strong IP or the character was cute, I'd have maybe tried it for ~$30.
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Magic Carpet
Gold Member
Honestly I passed on it because it's Star Wars, The IP died for me after episode 8 The Last Jedi.
Mandalorian got me back for 1 season. But I'm done.
Mandalorian got me back for 1 season. But I'm done.
MiguelItUp
Member
Wild that people would automatically knee jerk to woke, lmao.
I've never been a fan of Ubisoft, so that alone made me resistant, even though I've always loved Star Wars.
I figured I'd play it at some point, but most certainly not rushing to do so.
I've never been a fan of Ubisoft, so that alone made me resistant, even though I've always loved Star Wars.
I figured I'd play it at some point, but most certainly not rushing to do so.
Kacho
Gold Member
StueyDuck
Member
But it still doesn't invalidate the idea that wokeness and bad game design arent two mutually exclusive things.
The game is shit and it just so happens to Have modern uglification of a woman. They both will play a role in whether a game is appealing or not.
A great game can overlook some sad developer inserts but a bad game can't be saved by wokeness.
But trying to pretend that the two issues can't play a role is just a way of gaslighting people into believing wrong thought.
Everything in the game looked shit to me, both the main character, story and the gameplay. But I'm not gonna pretend one doesn't exist.
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Topher
Identifies as young
I'd like the cartel reputation system to not be so inconsequential. I can screw over a cartel and then do a couple of courier jobs for them to get back into their good graces. Pretty easy to max out cartel reputation across the board. I like the idea in theory, but it falls short in implementation, imo.
Valt7786
Member
It's just not that good a game. Far too basic game design with terrible stealth mechanics. It's called Outlaws and yet you can't do anything remotely Outlaw-like in the open world.
I don't mind an ugly main character if the game calls for it, but when they've been intentionally uglified thats when it becomes a problem. Don't hire a gorgeous actress to model for the character, then give her a busted nose and a shit haircut and weird dead eyes. The reasoning is obvious, just stop it.
Just so many weird design choices, like not being able to carry any weapons other than your shit looking potato gun blaster. And if you do pick one up, you can't even climb a ledge while holding it? Fuck off.
Kay Vess herself as a character is just too..."nice"? To be an outlaw/thief type of character in this universe. Terribly written and unlikable.
Girlboss's and lesbians everywhere. I've not finished it, but played a fair amount and every romantic couple that was mentioned was a lesbian couple and EVERY "Typically manly" role was played by a female character. Speeder mechanic? Woman. Heavy Weapons Specialist? Woman. Local Sheriff in shitty tatooine town? Woman. Stormtrooper? Woman. Officer in charge of a Death Trooper squad? Woman.
I don't mind an ugly main character if the game calls for it, but when they've been intentionally uglified thats when it becomes a problem. Don't hire a gorgeous actress to model for the character, then give her a busted nose and a shit haircut and weird dead eyes. The reasoning is obvious, just stop it.
Just so many weird design choices, like not being able to carry any weapons other than your shit looking potato gun blaster. And if you do pick one up, you can't even climb a ledge while holding it? Fuck off.
Kay Vess herself as a character is just too..."nice"? To be an outlaw/thief type of character in this universe. Terribly written and unlikable.
Girlboss's and lesbians everywhere. I've not finished it, but played a fair amount and every romantic couple that was mentioned was a lesbian couple and EVERY "Typically manly" role was played by a female character. Speeder mechanic? Woman. Heavy Weapons Specialist? Woman. Local Sheriff in shitty tatooine town? Woman. Stormtrooper? Woman. Officer in charge of a Death Trooper squad? Woman.
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Ribi
Member
It just screamed generic and I really had no fucking clue what the game was even going for. Reviews barely even mentioned how the open world looked they just showed driving and said the open world was big yet mostly showed combat in interiors. Like all you gotta do is make an open world solar system in Star wars
Radical_3d
Member
And I’m not asking that. I’m asking what has more weight.
MiguelItUp
Member
Yeah, no shit. Lmao.
I was planning on doing the Ubisoft+ thing just to play it and then canceling as soon as I was done, much like I did with Lost Crown. But the reception and what I saw of the game looked incredibly average if not undercooked, so I just didn't bother.
rm082e
Member
I don't like Star Wars as an IP and never have. However, I was convinced to play KOTOR back in the day and enjoyed it because it was so good. If this game had been of that quality, I might have been convinced. But I was certainly prejudiced against it just because Star Wars.
I have enjoyed some of the Far Cry (3, 4, 5, and 6) and AC games (Origin and Odyssey), but I am generally very cautious on Ubisoft games due to the well earned "Ubicrap" reputation.
For me, "wokeness" in any media is something that pushes me away, but it's not an ideological stance. I'm center-left politically and center-libertarian socially. I'm all for the rainbow crew doing their thing and have no problem with their representation in media. I don't agree with the idea that a piece of media is woke just because it's got a gay or trans character. I think of "wokeness" as starting with the agenda of representation first, then filling in the rest of the creative process around that agenda, rather than starting with great writing, acting, art, etc. and incorporating diverse characters. The result is usually drab stories with drab dialogue, paper thin character motivations and it feels like someone is trying to manipulate me into agreeing with their viewpoint. It feels gross, and ultimately the game/TV/movie is just boring. I've seen enough of it now that pattern recognition has been established and wokeness has a very strong correlation with low quality. It's like a "tip of the iceberg" situation. I avoid wokeness because I know I'm usually going to feel like I've wasted my time with that media.
I have enjoyed some of the Far Cry (3, 4, 5, and 6) and AC games (Origin and Odyssey), but I am generally very cautious on Ubisoft games due to the well earned "Ubicrap" reputation.
For me, "wokeness" in any media is something that pushes me away, but it's not an ideological stance. I'm center-left politically and center-libertarian socially. I'm all for the rainbow crew doing their thing and have no problem with their representation in media. I don't agree with the idea that a piece of media is woke just because it's got a gay or trans character. I think of "wokeness" as starting with the agenda of representation first, then filling in the rest of the creative process around that agenda, rather than starting with great writing, acting, art, etc. and incorporating diverse characters. The result is usually drab stories with drab dialogue, paper thin character motivations and it feels like someone is trying to manipulate me into agreeing with their viewpoint. It feels gross, and ultimately the game/TV/movie is just boring. I've seen enough of it now that pattern recognition has been established and wokeness has a very strong correlation with low quality. It's like a "tip of the iceberg" situation. I avoid wokeness because I know I'm usually going to feel like I've wasted my time with that media.
ComputerBlue
Member
I’m going to get this game eventually when it’s cheaper and in working order, more complete etc. I don’t know if it’s woke other than the main protagonist being fuck ugly, but I don’t really care too much about that as long as I’m not being lectured while I play.
Tajaz2426
Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
Never had any of my Marines in the Philippines, Thailand, Mexico, Argentina, or anywhere else for that matter spend 70 dollars and ask for an ugly prostitute.
I spend money to look at nice things and be things I could never be and do. Not be a someone I can be by eating at McDonald’s for a month straight.
I spend money to look at nice things and be things I could never be and do. Not be a someone I can be by eating at McDonald’s for a month straight.
xanaum
Member
For me, it's a mix of two things: I'm fed up with the Star Wars franchise, it's been so ruined by movies, shows, and other games that it killed my interest. And on the other side, there's Ubisoft, which is in a similar spot — everything they've done in recent years feels rotten and disposable.
Shake Your Rump
Member
None of the above. I just have to many other games to play. I actually wanted to play it.
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Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
I passed cause I wanted a rare mighty incel victory!!!
in reality the gameplay sounded kinda lame and frustrating. Don't need that in my life. And I was looking forward to 3rd person star wars with space combat
StueyDuck
Member
Both have weight, there is no quantifiable number here.
Let's be honest you have two outcomes in your head and it's either
A) woke bad - gaf is loonies you all crazy
Or
B) gameplay bad - see you bad people on gaf, woke doesn't exist.
The fact is that both played a role and we shouldn't be trying to weight one side vs the other, if Fred feels it's too woke then that's good for him, if Steve feels it's shit then that's good for him too.
There's no reason to divide people on here into groups for what was arguably a shit game that was also woke (I don't even think the game is woke, I just don't like the way people on gaf are trying to erase it as a criticism)
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DrDryRub
Banned
If you pass on a game because you're scared of "strong female leads" "woke" "the characters aren't pretty enough" or not "manly enough" for you then you're the problem and not the game/story. There's nothing wrong with calling out a game or anything really if it's just bad but the "woke" cry baby BS from gamers is ridiculous. Steller blade was hella fun and if the characters were all pixelated smurfs it would still have been hella fun. The T&A did nothing to make that a good game. Also, most games have a "wokeness" to them, it just comes down to how you quantify what "wokeness" is to you
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SJRB
Gold Member
Only braindead low-t pansies use this as a get-out-of-jail free card to "rationalize" the abysmal sales numbers so they can ignore the game's actual obvious and massive flaws.
You know, the game's performance, gameplay, bugs, graphical state, mission design, poor mechanics. Or the overall pathetic state Star Wars is in, a franchise so fucking ran through the wringer it hasn't had an actual win in any form of media in more than a decade.
People are sick of Star Wars, people are sick of buggy shitty games sold for 70+ euros. You combine the two and wow look at that, you get a game that nobody wants and doesn't sell for shit. Who could've seen this coming?
But yeah, blame it on the chuds so you can blame someone else instead of having to take some responsibility for this catastrophic failure yourself.
You know, the game's performance, gameplay, bugs, graphical state, mission design, poor mechanics. Or the overall pathetic state Star Wars is in, a franchise so fucking ran through the wringer it hasn't had an actual win in any form of media in more than a decade.
People are sick of Star Wars, people are sick of buggy shitty games sold for 70+ euros. You combine the two and wow look at that, you get a game that nobody wants and doesn't sell for shit. Who could've seen this coming?
But yeah, blame it on the chuds so you can blame someone else instead of having to take some responsibility for this catastrophic failure yourself.
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Disney/Kathleen Kennedy spent the last decade cramming Star Wars with insufferable girl bosses and Mary Sues while emasculating and trashing Luke + Han. The most recent Star Wars entertainment product when Outlaws released was The Acolyte.
So yeah I don’t think it’s all that wild that some gamers were immediately suspicious when they saw some uglied-up 100 lb Strong Woman punching stormtroopers unconscious through their helmets.
That said, I still think most gamers would’ve quickly gotten over that if the game were excellent. But it proved to be the exact kind of tiresome Ubisoft open world slop that everyone is getting tired of.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Let's all be clear though .. the woke part isn't just the ugly female main character. It's everything.. to put it simply ... of course she's gay, all " good " men are feminine, cowardly, and weak, all the " bad " men are masculine, strong , and of course white, most of the main characters are girl bosses who are all the smartest, and/or strongest of all.
Even then it's not a big deal but add to the trash game loop and it's more trash than there needs to be.
Even then it's not a big deal but add to the trash game loop and it's more trash than there needs to be.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Where’s the “It’s not $10” option?
Radical_3d
Member
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don’t put thoughts in my mind. I mean I think you’re all loonies, but that was way before the culture wars. When you started defending the 360. I may be more moderate that the average fellow gaffer but I won’t judge them for passing on a game with a insufferable message that you have to swallow for solid 40 hours. The outcomes in my head where more like:
A) woke bad. Cultural aspects have more importance than game design, what a time to be alive.
B) gameplay bad. See, Yves? All you had to do is release the leash from your designers and let them actually make a good game. But you were too afraid of change and you should have been more afraid of not changing.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
Run it back give me Outlaws 2!!
nowhat
Gold Member
I think this point gets way overlooked. Who is interested in the next Disney+ series? Or, $DEITY forbid, a new theatrical movie?
The Respawn Jedi games got a positive reception both critically and commercially because... they were good games (not great IMHO, but I digress). The fact that they were Star Wars most likely was a bonus to some, many even, but they were fine as just games, which kinda counts as well.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's UbiSoft and Disney has destroyed the Star Wars brand for me.
StueyDuck
Member
Wouldn't it be better if they fixed both
Revolutionary
Member
I signed up for Ubi+ for the month, so I played it through that. It was ok.
Also tried out Skull & Bones but uninstalled it after an hour or two lol
Also tried out Skull & Bones but uninstalled it after an hour or two lol
Astray
Member
Generally due to price and bugginess, I personally don't mind the Ubisoft formula in itself though, mainly because I don't buy any Ubisoft game without thoroughly checking it in the 1st place, so I don't really suffer from Ubi fatigue.
Don't give a shit about wokeness unless it's REALLY in your face in-game like Dustborn.
Don't give a shit about wokeness unless it's REALLY in your face in-game like Dustborn.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
It's modern Star Wars done by Ubisoft. Even hot space girl jailbait wouldn't have saved it bro not everything is about politics.