Stuart360
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Copium. Its always the same in PC centric threads. Yes not every PC has a 5090, just like not every console gamer has a Pro. What difference does it make to the people that do?
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Digital Foundry: Monster Hunter Wilds PC - Profound Perf Problems Must Be Addressed
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Gp1
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12gb usable of VRAM + ram
A simple gaming PC today has at least 16gb of ram alone + whatever the GPU has of VRAM
UnrealEck
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It's annoying but I don't (since 2001) buy high end parts to play one game. I have access to thousands so playing the best version of thousands of games, I can get over the ones that I need to wait for a dev/user patch to improve. And even if I don't wait it's still a better experience than I'd have gotten on a PS5 Pro.
yamaci17
Member
look here's the actual facts and situation
ps5 pro runs this game at 1080p PSSR AA.
you can probably get 50-60 fps at 1080p/dlss 4 balance in this game with a 3060. meanwhile on paper it will be internally 640p, it will still produce sharper and better image quality than native PSSR AA
I've done countless tests in countless games with DLSS 4. I can safely say DLSS 4 performance at 1080p with that internal 540p resolutions looks much better than native TAA in almost every game I've tested.
actually, 1080p with dlss 4 balanced looks much better than 1080p with native dlss 3. and considering pssr can barely match dlss 3 or struggle coming close to it, I'm sure someone running this game at 1080p dlss 4 performance on a low end RTX GPU would still have better image quality than PS5 pro, let alone base ps5
internal resolutions do not tell the whole story. everything has changed, especially with dlss 4.
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Mister Wolf
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I would love to see a 1080p DLAA comparison in this game versus the Pro version in performance mode.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
That's fucking crazy, in a good way.
Stuart360
Member
That sounds fair as i was getting 40-60 fps on my 3070 at native 1440p in the benchmark. It was actually my 3700x holding the game back for me. Framegen got me to a very stable 60fps though..
I agree 100% with DLSS though, even 3. You can get pristine image quality with it, even at 1080p.
viveks86
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The blade seems to look much nicer and consistently shiny on PC and Pro Res/Balanced modes. Is RT having an effect there?
Shadows on Pro RT/Balanced looks less noisy than any other version, including PC. Perhaps PSSR is cleaning it up better?
Not seeing much difference at all in textures. Either High res texture pack is on the console versions as well or it barely makes any difference (and perhaps it helps brute-forcing texture streaming issues on PC for higher end cards)
Yeah DLSS 4 is on a league of its own. The rest of the industry has some serious catching up to do
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yamaci17
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doesn't even need to be dlaa if we're talking about DLSS 4. dlss 4 quality is good at 1080p that it almost becomes unnecessary to run games at native 1080p, even with dlss 4 itself.
then again it is important to point out that this game uses fsr 1 at all resolutions on base consoles. which means when ps5 drops to 720p with FSR 1, it actually runs at 720p output at that moment which looks horrible. this is not comparable to running a game at 1080p upscaled, because even 1080p upscaling has its own cost. running a game at ACTUAL 720p and running it at 720p with temporal reconstruction to 1080p is different.
that is why ps5 and xbox series x doesn't even use temporal reconstruction. there simply is no performance headroom to use reconstruction. the game performs that badly.
based on here 3060, yeah, struggles. 1080p dlss quality 36-50 FPS not so good. but if you actually made 3060 run at ACTUAL 720p with FSR 1, I can assure you it would perform much better. doing this on a PS5 doesn't make it a "stable and enjoyable platform". using actual 720p with FSR 1 is just horrible no matter how you put it. if it was FSR 2 with 720p internal resolution, I would be somewhat impressed. it would look somewhat presentable. but it is not even that. and it can't be.
unless you subject the 3060 to actual 720p native rendering like FSR 1 is doing on PS5, it is impossible to get competent performance on GPUs that has similar performance level to PS5. and this has nothing to do with these GPUs and their performance levels. its just that the horrible optimization the game has on PS5 that affects all GPUs in a way
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Indeed. By now everyone knows PC bros are called the mustard race because consoles need to ketchup.
CrustyBritches
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1440p, DLSS 'Balanced', High Settings uses up to 12.1GB in the benchmark on my 4060 Ti 16GB. Don't know if that's actual use or allocation, but it might make sense cards with 8GB, or even 12GB could have issues at those settings.
Bojji
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VRAM allocation goes up to 14-15GB on my 4070TiS using high res textures and RT. In game vram meter is garbage.
ChoosableOne
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The PS5 version is 60 fps, but it provides a smoother performance than the 80-90 fps on PC. I don't understand the reason. So even if I had a 5090, I wouldn't be able to play that smoothly, eh?
Mister Wolf
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The PS5 version is 60 fps, but it provides a smoother performance than the 80-90 fps on PC. I don't understand the reason. So even if I had a 5090, I wouldn't be able to play that smoothly, eh?
Complete nonsense. I've played the beta and can brute force it just fine even with my 4090 + 5800X3D. I shouldn't have to. The game is unimpressive and doesn't even have the RTGI Dragon's Dogma 2 has. Did we even get a confirmation that this game has a legit day/night cycle while out in the field?
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CrustyBritches
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Yeah, the settings meter estimated 5.4GB or some shit. Not even close!
I’ll have to try with High Res Textures and RT.
rodrigolfp
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On a low end PC. Is reading that hard???
OuterLimits
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Unknown Soldier
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I think it's actually using the same meter as in World which is hilarious. Someone at Capcpom really fucked up
ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
Is watching the video that hard? It shows gameplay footage of 5080-90 and they're not smooth like ps5.
Mister Wolf
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Ugly game. They mailed it in on this Monster Hunter.
Mister Wolf
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Haint
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No, they're just a technically incompetent developer using an ass old engine. DD2 looks and runs like shit to. The only reason the RE games were passable is cause they were predominantly just photogrametry scans of linear corridors.
ChoosableOne
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I’m not really looking at the graph; what I see isn’t exactly a smooth 60+ fps experience. If you check the numbers, it goes up to 120 fps in the video I first responded to, but it didn’t feel that smooth to me. I’ve seen the kind of smoothness I’m talking about in mhr and many other games, but this game doesn’t look as smooth to me(on PC). I watched the PS5 version on a stream, and I found it very smooth. Idk maybe you're right, but I feel this way.
Lokaum D+
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why are u trying to reason with unreasonable ppl ? dont waste your time man
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HeWhoWalks
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And, of course, the most reasonable has to put things in perspective.
My tech brothers and/or sisters.....some of y'all are fighting over which shit version is less shit while attacking powerful hardware (yes, both high-end PCs and the PS5 Pro). Hint: it ain't the hardware and the dev should shoulder the blame. And please, for the love of all Holy, please don't attack Hardware Lumen. When done correctly, it is transformative. See Silent Hill 2 on PC.
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Mister Wolf
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Capcom like From Software is a developer that can do no wrong in the eyes of the consumer. Look at Wild's and Elden Ring's peak Steam CCU. They can get away with awful performance others could never dare.
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HeWhoWalks
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Sure feels that way, my man! We have some super nice hardware out there and none of it seems to be taken advantage of!
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mèx
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Don't bother, it's obvious to anyone (except trolls) that this runs vastly better on a high-end PC than on console. As it should be, since a high-end PC costs vastly more than a console.
This does not excuse the fact that the tech behind this game is hot garbage.
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Killer8
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Japanese social media ended up being correct:
Why spend thousands on fake frames and fuelling Jensen's leather fetish when the PS5 Pro gets you most of the way there for less than half the price, AND doesn't stutter like a colossal piece of shit?
There's a good reason why PS5 Pro is selling almost as much as the base PS5 now in Japan. Land of the rising sun and framerates.
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mèx
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Aenima
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Yes it does and also weather changes that affect massively the global ilumination on the game. From cloudy to sunny is the diference between the game looking washed out and proper saturated.
Mister Wolf
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BossLackey
Gold Member
It's actually insane how bad it looks.
How can it possibly look significantly worse than World, which came out seven years ago!?
Looks worse and performs worse. The game is fundamentally broken.
The bottom line is it's a great game with excellent game play and beautiful level and character design especially the monster and enjoyable customization for combat. And it's possible game of the year candidate. We cannot do anything about the bad RE engine, but I'm sure 100%, the developers are listening and fixes and updates will come up shortly especially for PC.
viveks86
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The first 2 are clearly evident for this game. The third has always been the case and should not even be part of the same summary
Kings Field
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Mister Wolf
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HeWhoWalks
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I certainly hope so!
Killer8
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Balanced mode on Pro gives you:
- 1404p scaled to 4K via PSSR
- ray traced reflections
- runs at a fairly smooth 40fps
I would define that as "most of the way" - if "the way" that the Pro is aspiring to is a maxed PC version, which itself relies on Jensen's upscaling magic, looks minimally improved in terms of quality, and has a 60fps framerate read-out with more irregularity than a Resetera meetup photo.
Mister Wolf
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Ain't nobody trying to play at 40fps man. Get serious. You're in a PC thread.
HeWhoWalks
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Not on PC, particularly if you are like the chunk of us with higher end systems. 40fps? Negative.
Kacho
Gold Member
Why is the contrast so awful?
Mister Wolf
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I remember when this 40fps talk came about because of the Steam Deck and 120hz TVs. I tried it one time with Spiderman on my big screen before I sold my PS5 and was like "Hell naw". It's cope in it's rawest form.
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Mister Wolf
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It's an ugly game.