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[Mibu no ookami]

Well, selling less consoles for sure guaranteed less software sales… I think is pretty clear that you’re the myopic here .

By your logic Sony should just be giving PS5s away for free. Obviously Sony has data and metrics they're looking for and also knows the audience they're trying to sell to and what games they play. Most people on PS4 today are playing F2P games. They're not buying new release AAA games.

The are doing fine. I think they can do better with a modest price cut in Japan. How about just keep the current 7,000 yen price cut permanent. Would that be so bad? What if that 7,000 yen price cut could offer you a guaranteed 15K units sales average, instead of 10K?

To what end? You're now selling 15K units a month at 7,000 yen less. That's 105 million in losses or 711K dollars in losses per week or 37 million dollars only to sell an additional 260K units to people who aren't doing anything other than playing genshin impact. What does that 260K players give you exactly? People who likely would have bought the PS5 next year anyways....

 

[LordOcidax]

Monster Hunter impact on hardware sales

Monster Hunter Rise - Switch
Week before launch - 89,104
Week 1 - 267,497 +200%
Week 2 - 135,076 -49%
Week 3 - 96,259 -29%

Monster Hunter World - PS4
Week before launch - 52,507
Week 1 - 140,432 +170%
Week 2 - 109,286 -22%
Week 3 - 70,172 -36%

Monster Hunter Wilds - PS5
Week before launch - 13,556
Week 1 - 108,978 +730%
Week 2 - 52,520 -52%

 

[leo-j]

is sony cared, they would have dropped ps5's price and kept it, with a MHWilds bundle.... it's way too expensive over there, I think almost triple the price of a switch? $550, should be $450, with mhwilds....

 

[Kerotan]

I said it last week and I'll say it again.

NOTHING and I mean NOTHING can compete with PS5 in Japan. Top dog once again.

 

[mckmas8808]

To what end? You're now selling 15K units a month at 7,000 yen less. That's 105 million in losses or 711K dollars in losses per week or 37 million dollars only to sell an additional 260K units to people who aren't doing anything other than playing genshin impact. What does that 260K players give you exactly? People who likely would have bought the PS5 next year anyways....

This is what I fundamentally disagree with, with you on this topic. Those people will buy games, subscriptions, accessories, etc.

 

[Mozza]

Sony is thinking about countries that care about home consoles and growing markets like China....Japan is not any of these 2.

I thought the PS5 sales were slowing down a little in the west, and it was tracking behing the PS4. The PS5 Pro is also tracking behind the PS4 Pro as well. It does seem a long time since you could not get a PS5 easily from anyone but a scalper. And people were suggesting Sony could have sold as many units as they could produce.

 

[Mozza]

I said it last week and I'll say it again.

NOTHING and I mean NOTHING can compete with PS5 in Japan. Top dog once again.

Not sure if you are being serious here........ Yes the PS5 is selling more consoles than a eight year old console.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

This is what I fundamentally disagree with, with you on this topic. Those people will buy games, subscriptions, accessories, etc.

Like I said, you're talking about people who largely own PS4s and are playing F2P games. Look at the top download games for Japan that are PS4 games. They already subscribe to PS+. The margins on the accessories won't offset the lost money you're suggesting here and it's not like PS4 accessories don't sell in Japan as well.

You fundamentally disagree because you're stuck in your way of thinking and refuse to do the math on this.

Do you think Sony doesn't know they'd sell more units if they drop the prices? They discounted prices for the monster hunter wilds bundle for a reason. You don't think they couldn't just put out more MHW bundles? They sold out.

They have the exact data on who these consumers are and how much they spend, yet you think you somehow know more?

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

I thought the PS5 sales were slowing down a little in the west, and it was tracking behing the PS4. The PS5 Pro is also tracking behind the PS4 Pro as well. It does seem a long time since you could not get a PS5 easily from anyone but a scalper. And people were suggesting Sony could have sold as many units as they could produce.

Actually after those 9.5M consoles shipped sony got closer to the PS4's overall sales. Nothing is slowing down. This gen is also going to be longer than the last which was cut short by a pandemic. There's the biggest game of the gen which will virtually be exclusive to the PS5 later this year and will be rleased just when PS5 is surpassing PS3's overall sales. By then the PS5 will still have like 3 years before the PS6 is released.
I think in a year from now PS5 will be above PS4's sales launch aligned, specially if they announce a price cut. We will know more about Sony's projections in April or May for next year though.

 

[John Wick]

Disaster sales for Monster Hunter Wilds in Japan for PS5
It's currently down 871k units behind World on PS4.

Oh no not another pulicat doomed hottake. Capcom and Sony better pack it up. How do you know it's down 871K?

 

[Mozza]

Funny how Sony used to say sold rather than shipped.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Funny how Sony used to say sold rather than shipped.

huh? their quarter reports ALWAYS mention shipped units...not sold through.

They did release PR statements when PS5 reached some milestones like 10M, 20M...maybe even 30M but that's it...they stopped because there's no reasons for that. Their competition has been left in the dust now lmao.

Let's not move the goal post like this come on now...

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Next week DQ3 HD-2D will reach the 1M copies sold milestone on NSW.

Famitsu Sales: 3/3/25 - 3/9/25 has been updated with software sales rankings 11 to 30.

Software Sales (followed by lifetime sales)

1. [PS5] Monster Hunter Wilds (Capcom, 02/28/25) – 101,058 (702,237)
2. [NSW] Suikoden I & II HD Remaster: Gate Rune and Dunan Unification Wars (Konami, 03/06/25) – 38,884 (New)
3. [PS5] Suikoden I & II HD Remaster: Gate Rune and Dunan Unification Wars (Konami, 03/06/25) – 10,482 (New)
4. [NSW] Super Mario Party Jamboree (Nintendo, 10/17/24) – 9,969 (1,219,776)
5. [NSW] Donkey Kong Country Returns HD (Nintendo, 01/16/25) – 8,531 (225,112)
6. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Nintendo, 04/28/17) – 8,249 (6,277,413)
7. [NSW] Minecraft (Microsoft, 06/21/18) – 6,347 (3,827,112)
8. [NSW] Pokemon Scarlet / Pokemon Violet (The Pokemon Company, 11/18/22) – 4,266 (5,533,679)
9. [NSW] Animal Crossing: New Horizons (Nintendo, 03/20/20) – 4,256 (8,085,422)
10. [NSW] Yu-Gi-Oh! Early Days Collection (Konami, 02/27/25) – 3,648 (53,510)
11. [NSW] Nintendo Switch Sports (Nintendo, 04/29/22) – 3,268 (1,557,292)
12. [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (Nintendo, 12/07/18) – 3,229 (5,729,701)
13. [NSW] Ever 17 / Never 7 Double Pack (MAGES., 03/06/25) – 3,041 (New)
14. [PS5] Split Fiction (Electronic Arts, 03/06/25) – 2,946 (New)
15. [PS5] Like a Dragon: Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii (SEGA, 02/21/25) – 2,893 (80,501)
16. [PS4] Like a Dragon: Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii (SEGA, 02/21/25) – 2,615 (47,102)
17. [NSW] Ring Fit Adventure (Nintendo, 10/18/19) – 2,496 (3,703,100)
18. [NSW] Super Mario Bros. Wonder (Nintendo, 10/20/23) – 2,421 (1,997,522)
19. [NSW] Splatoon 3 (Nintendo, 09/09/22) – 2,221 (4,427,831)
20. [NSW] Monster Hunter Rise + Sunbreak Set Best Price (Capcom, 11/16/23) – 2,024 (72,326)
21. [NSW] Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics (Nintendo, 06/05/20) – 1,984 (1,387,870)
22. [NSW] Kirby and the Forgotten Land (Nintendo, 03/25/22) – 1,908 (1,189,232)
23. [NSW] Luigi’s Mansion 3 (Nintendo, 10/31/19) – 1,802 (1,088,320)
24. [NSW] Super Mario Odyssey (Nintendo, 10/27/17) – 1,727 (2,555,943)
25. [NSW] Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 Special Price (SEGA, 11/17/22) – 1,646 (244,825)
26. [NSW] Pikmin 4 (Nintendo, 07/21/23) – 1,562 (1,303,244)
27. [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Nintendo, 03/03/17) – 1,548 (2,373,019)
28. [PS5] Sniper Elite: Resistance (Game Source Entertainment, 03/06/25) – 1,456 (New)
29. [NSW] Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake (Square Enix, 11/14/24) – 1,429 (999,845)
30. [NSW] Wizardry: The Five Ordeals (G*Spark Publishing, 02/27/25) – 1,413 (12,712)

Famitsu Sales: 3/3/25 – 3/9/25 [Update]

Famitsu has published its estimated physical game software data for Japan for the week of March 3, 2025 to March 9, 2025.

www.gematsu.com

 

[Danjin44]

[PS5] Monster Hunter Wilds (Capcom, 02/28/25) – 101,058 (702,237)

 

[Kerotan]

Not sure if you are being serious here........ Yes the PS5 is selling more consoles than a eight year old console.

Of course I'm being serious. Imagine a 5 year old beating an 8 year old in a football match. It's truly impressive how strong the ps5 is especially in handheld land.

 

[Scrawnton]

Of course I'm being serious. Imagine a 5 year old beating an 8 year old in a football match. It's truly impressive how strong the ps5 is especially in handheld land.

So you're not being serious?

 

[mckmas8808]

Like I said, you're talking about people who largely own PS4s and are playing F2P games. Look at the top download games for Japan that are PS4 games. They already subscribe to PS+. The margins on the accessories won't offset the lost money you're suggesting here and it's not like PS4 accessories don't sell in Japan as well.

You fundamentally disagree because you're stuck in your way of thinking and refuse to do the math on this.

Do you think Sony doesn't know they'd sell more units if they drop the prices? They discounted prices for the monster hunter wilds bundle for a reason. You don't think they couldn't just put out more MHW bundles? They sold out.

They have the exact data on who these consumers are and how much they spend, yet you think you somehow know more?

No, I know they have the data and they know more than me. But...............I guess it comes down to me not trusting Sony at the moment with their thoughts on what Japanese gamers mean to them. I think they are taking them for granted. Maybe you'll be right and Sony will be proven right on this long term...............but at the moment I don't like it.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

No, I know they have the data and they know more than me. But...............I guess it comes down to me not trusting Sony at the moment with their thoughts on what Japanese gamers mean to them. I think they are taking them for granted. Maybe you'll be right and Sony will be proven right on this long term...............but at the moment I don't like it.

Then why did Sony do a Monster Hunter Wilds bundle at a discount?

What are gamers buying on PS4 at the moment?

2024年のPS Store年間ダウンロードランキングを発表！ PS5®では『FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH』が第1位！

PlayStation®Storeにおける2024年の年間ダウンロードランキングを発表！ PlayStation®5、PlayStation®4、PlayStation®VR2、基本プレイ無料タイトルの合計4つのランキン […]

blog.ja.playstation.com

 

[Orbital2060]

Oh no not another pulicat doomed hottake. Capcom and Sony better pack it up. How do you know it's down 871K?

Weekly progression of MH World on PS4 vs Wilds on PS5:

Media Create Sales: Week 10, 2025 (Mar 03 - Mar 09)

Media Create Sales: Week 10, 2025 (Mar 03 - Mar 09) ___ Famitsu Sales: Week 10, 2025 (Mar 03 - Mar 09) 01./01. [PS5] Monster Hunter Wilds # (Capcom) {2025.02.28} (¥9.082) - 101.058 / 702.237 (-83%) 02./00. [NSW] Suikoden I & II HD Remaster: Gate Rune and Dunan Unification Wars (Konami)...

www.installbaseforum.com

Week 2: 1.573.686 (PS4 World) - 702.237 (PS5 Wilds) = 871.449 units

 

[Mozza]

Of course I'm being serious. Imagine a 5 year old beating an 8 year old in a football match. It's truly impressive how strong the ps5 is especially in handheld land.

So basically not being serious at all.

 

[Mozza]

huh? their quarter reports ALWAYS mention shipped units...not sold through.

They did release PR statements when PS5 reached some milestones like 10M, 20M...maybe even 30M but that's it...they stopped because there's no reasons for that. Their competition has been left in the dust now lmao.

Let's not move the goal post like this come on now...

I thought Sony used to make a point of reporting sold through units. Now you are moving the goalposts...

 

[John Wick]

Weekly progression of MH World on PS4 vs Wilds on PS5:

Media Create Sales: Week 10, 2025 (Mar 03 - Mar 09)

Media Create Sales: Week 10, 2025 (Mar 03 - Mar 09) ___ Famitsu Sales: Week 10, 2025 (Mar 03 - Mar 09) 01./01. [PS5] Monster Hunter Wilds # (Capcom) {2025.02.28} (¥9.082) - 101.058 / 702.237 (-83%) 02./00. [NSW] Suikoden I & II HD Remaster: Gate Rune and Dunan Unification Wars (Konami)...

www.installbaseforum.com

Week 2: 1.573.686 (PS4 World) - 702.237 (PS5 Wilds) = 871.449 units

So does this take into account digital?
Or is this just physical sales only?
If not then pretty much worthless.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Boyo was I wrong! I thought MHWilds would propel PS5 to new heights in Japan.

 

[Woopah]

106k last week and nearly 53k this week? So PS5 halved from the Monster Hunter high?

Switch continues to dwindle. 3 more weeks until we learn how many more weeks from that the Switch 2 comes out.

That's pretty normal. Switch also halved after its Monster Hunter high.

This just makes no sense to me. What is Sony thinking?

What Sony is thinking about is the weakness of the yen. This made it very attractive for people to buy PS5s in Japan and resell them abroad, which hurt their margins.

So the price rises Sony have done are less about the Japan market itself and more about the position of the yen.

But maybe if they invested in Japan for the PS5, the sales would be better now.

But would it be worth it? That's the key question I think, because the amount of investment required to make a meaningful difference for PS in Japan is high and fairly risky.

What sort of investments would you want them to make?

 

[Woopah]

Digital PS5 rankings for Feb with physical sales numbers:

1. Monster Hunter Wilds - 601,179
2. Yakuza 8 Gaiden: Pirates in Hawaii - 77,608
3. Warriors: Abyss
4. Kingdom Come: Deliverance II - 9,500 - 10,720
5. Urban Legend Dismantling Center - 1,357-3,630
6. Dynasty Warriors: Origins - 11,259
7. Minecraft
8. Sid Meier's Civilization VII - 3,029 - 5,302
9. Ender Magnolia: Bloom in the Mist
10. Hogwarts Legacy
11. Palworld
12. Snezhinka the Savior
13. Raft
14. Persona 3 Reload
15. Party Animals
16. EA SPORTS FC 25
17. Grand Theft Auto V
18. Call of Duty: Black Ops 6
19. Exit 8
20. NBA 2K25

Unsurprisingly, a cheaper indie game had a higher digital ratio than some more expensive AAA titles. The rest is as expexted.

Mibu no ookami , this is why I was saying the store.playstation charts aren't pretty analogous to units sold, even if you filter it down to solely games above 5,000 yen. Those charts indicated a massive disconnect between the physical and digital sales of Kingdom Come: Deliverance II, when in reality there was no disconnect at all.