Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions |OT2| Now on iPad, iPhone & PSPGo / Vita
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matt360
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First time player here, although I have played Tactics Advance 1 and 2. So far I'm loving it, but the lack of retina display really hurts it in my opinion. I'm also liking the dialogue.
Are there any other tips besides keeping multiple saves and making everyone learn JP Boost early on that new players might easily miss out on. I can't remember exactly what it was, but I wanna say that there were things I didn't realize I could do in Tactics Advance until about halfway through the game because they were never explicitly explained. 100% my fault, but I remember feeling like I had wasted a LOT of time and made things a lot harder on myself.
Are there any other tips besides keeping multiple saves and making everyone learn JP Boost early on that new players might easily miss out on. I can't remember exactly what it was, but I wanna say that there were things I didn't realize I could do in Tactics Advance until about halfway through the game because they were never explicitly explained. 100% my fault, but I remember feeling like I had wasted a LOT of time and made things a lot harder on myself.
The_Endgamer
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lol @ the cheap-ass iOS gamers,
$1.99 or else!
Some of NeoGaf can sure be hypocritical at times, lolololol
$1.99 or else!
Some of NeoGaf can sure be hypocritical at times, lolololol
Jedeye Sniv
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Luigiv said:
The controls are great actually, no idea what you mean by grossly unoptimised. One of the nice touches is navigating menus - instead of having to tap a tiny word you can scroll your finger up and down top move the cursor, intuitive and perfect. Selecting movement tiles and attacks is also very easy and becomes second nature after an hour of so.
Of all the things to avoid the game for, controls are not one of them, they nailed that side IMO.
It's definitely still inexcusable for a port that's so late, but FWIW, I've been comparing the way it runs on my iPhone 4 to the way my UMD version runs, and I will gladly take the frame skipping and overall quicker pace over the glacial PSP version. I'd kind of forgotten how rough it was (and I was running it off of a memory stick last time I played it), but man, that shit is rough.Psy-Phi said:
The game is so good that it outshines the tech problems, but it's still kind of bullshit that it has so many tech problems. :/
i'm a level 5 knight, why can't i use the samurai job?
from this you need at least a level 4 knight.
http://i53.tinypic.com/14bpbwk.jpg
from this you need at least a level 4 knight.
http://i53.tinypic.com/14bpbwk.jpg
Follow all of the arrows: Samurai needs Knight 4, Monk 5, Dragoon 2, and Ninja needs Archer 4, Thief 5, Geomancer 2. These are pretty powerful classes, which is why the requirements are so high. Ninjas are amazing because of their native dual wielding and high speed, and the Samurai Draw Out skills are pretty great (though mad expensive since you need spare samurai swords for it).finalozzo said:
lunchwithyuzo
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While the touch controls are definitely well tuned and the game is quite playable this way, I still feel navigation is slower than pad/buttons. Especially for tile selection, which can get pretty finicky. Personally, I'd still prefer traditional controls if given the option.Jedeye Sniv said:
Jedeye Sniv
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lunchwithyuzo said:
Good luck waiting for that iPhone with buttons on it then
Having not played the other versions I can't talk to how it compares, I just know that the version I have is perfectly playable, I never feel held back by them at all. Even the selection issues can be easily negated if you play smart.Jedeye Sniv said:Good luck waiting for that iPhone with buttons on it then
lol....There are a couple other versions available that you can play with pads and buttons
I'm kind of hoping that with the iPad's larger screen you won't have to scroll through options and you CAN just touch the thing you want.
Jedeye Sniv
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Skilletor said:lol....There are a couple other versions available that you can play with pads and buttons
I'm kind of hoping that with the iPad's larger screen you won't have to scroll through options and you CAN just touch the thing you want.
Aye, and that's the problem with this thread - compare compare compare. I'm starting to think that SE fans don't actually play the games they buy, they just compare differences and count frames
Krauser Kat
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I hope they bring it to the Amazon Android Store. I would kill to play this on my phone.
evolkimchi
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did anyone else buy this just to have it in their collection, with absolutely no intention of playing it again for the 20th time?
lunchwithyuzo
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Oh, don't mistake me, I think the game's great and very playable, but the controls definitely slow the pace a little. I find myself messing with the camera way more in this version too, due to the finicky selection. Hold and drag does work better than selecting directly sometimes too, as you said there's ways around the issues, but it's still just slower.Jedeye Sniv said:Good luck waiting for that iPhone with buttons on it then
It's a great port though, and the controls work great. It's like an apology for Secret of Mana, which was a travesty and really had no business on iOS.
Jedeye Sniv said:Aye, and that's the problem with this thread - compare compare compare. I'm starting to think that SE fans don't actually play the games they buy, they just compare differences and count frames
That's silly. It's a game that's 14 years old. Most people who wanted to play it by now have, extensively. There's a very good reason that people want to "count frames." If this version doesn't run as smooth as the others available, why purchase it?
It's no different than the PS3/360 multiplat threads. People with the option to buy it on multiple platforms want to know which version is the best. And, you know, the person who made the title DID put PSPgo in the title.
HamPster PamPster
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I spent way too much time this weekend obsessing over FFT. I was looking at class guides on gamefaqs and watching Single Class Challange playthroughs on youtube. Can't wait for (hopefully) a refreshed touch line in September. I'm planning a Black Mage Ramza with Draw Out this time around
Also, I updated the OP with a review: Touch Arcade Review - "A Touchy Port"
Also, I updated the OP with a review: Touch Arcade Review - "A Touchy Port"
Jedeye Sniv
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Skilletor said:
This argument is silly too though. Yes it is an older game but not one that everyone has played by a longshot. It's old and so there are entirely generations of gamers not playing when it was released (some not even born yet, horrible thought). It's in a weird sub-genre that lots of gamers may not have played as well. Personally, I wasn't playing PS1 games in that era (was all about PC gaming in the 90s) so never got to play it. Don't have PSP either and so didn't play it on there.
Every massive game still has thousands if not millions of players that have never tried it. I don't even think FFT is a massive game so it stands to reason there must be a lot of people that never played it. I just wonder where those people are.
And there is a good reason why people count frames and res lines, it's because people are pedantic and boring! It explains why there have entire forums full of metally ill people counting lines in images. It's not so much about making sure you have the best version (because that's really important), it's more to do with that deeply nerdy need to be able to proclaim one better than the other and yourself on the winning team, as if it matters.
I think the lack of new players probably says more about the hardcore-skew of GAF than anything else though, as I'm sure a lot of people here did play it on PS1. But then again, I'm hardcore too but I skipped that gen. There must be more of us around here, surely?
EDIT: I don;'t mean to sound so snarky above, but the "everyone must have played it already" argument just doesn't sit with me at all. There are always new audiences, especially decades on.
Sure, always going to be new audiences. Doubt there will be as large an audience willing to play an old game as there was an audience for the game when it originally released.
I stand by my assessment. It's 14 years old and recently saw a re-release on PSP. I didn't say everybody had played it. I said most who wanted to already had. FFT is a pretty amazing game. The SRPG genre is pretty niche itself within the JRPG category. Most people with an interest in SRPGs have probably already played FFT in some form.
You'll notice that the PSP thread for WotL was only 12 pages.
Edit: And I don't really see any fanboy sentiments regarding framerate in here. I see legit questions from people who are interested in playing the game again.
I'm waiting on the iPad version because I already have the game on PSP and don't feel the iPod version offers anything over that.
I stand by my assessment. It's 14 years old and recently saw a re-release on PSP. I didn't say everybody had played it. I said most who wanted to already had. FFT is a pretty amazing game. The SRPG genre is pretty niche itself within the JRPG category. Most people with an interest in SRPGs have probably already played FFT in some form.
You'll notice that the PSP thread for WotL was only 12 pages.
Edit: And I don't really see any fanboy sentiments regarding framerate in here. I see legit questions from people who are interested in playing the game again.
I'm waiting on the iPad version because I already have the game on PSP and don't feel the iPod version offers anything over that.
Incitemaybe
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At what point will this game allow me to enter the menu to change my game settings?
I keep hitting "menu" everytime I can and do not receive the option.
Also, I'm barely at the second battle where there is only two of us, me and Delitia or something like that. I just died because I couldn't heal myself, I don't recall having the option to buy potions or anything......
Ya, I'm new at this ;-)
I keep hitting "menu" everytime I can and do not receive the option.
Also, I'm barely at the second battle where there is only two of us, me and Delitia or something like that. I just died because I couldn't heal myself, I don't recall having the option to buy potions or anything......
Ya, I'm new at this ;-)
Jedeye Sniv
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Incitemaybe said:
Really soon. You'll finish this fight with Delita and then the gameworld will open up a bit so you can mess with the settings.
A tip since you're new like I was: when you get to the map screen you'll be able to access your party roster. To use potions and such you'll need to buy some at the shop and then you'll notice that you have a chemist character. IIRC he can use potions right off the bat, but you'll need to have him learn how to use more useful potions like Phoenix Down ASAP. When you select a character in the party Roster screen press 'Menu' and then select 'abilities' from the list. You can then have your chemist learn more potions to use. What is great in the early stages is having lots of your other characters learn the chemist skills too, that caught me out for a few hours when I started the game.
Incitemaybe
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Thanks for the tips Jedeye
I can't seem to beat the second fight :-( i dont think I understand how to win yet.
My two dudes just get slaughtered everytime.
Going to try again......
I can't seem to beat the second fight :-( i dont think I understand how to win yet.
My two dudes just get slaughtered everytime.
Going to try again......
DiipuSurotu
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It's been a long time since I played the game, but don't you have other characters besides Ramza and Delita for that battle? Are you sure you're actually including them in the battle?Incitemaybe said:Thanks for the tips Jedeye
I can't seem to beat the second fight :-( i dont think I understand how to win yet.
My two dudes just get slaughtered everytime.
Going to try again......
Incitemaybe
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You, good sir, solved my problem. I didn't realize I could pick more people to join me beforehand.DiipuSurotu said:
Honestly, I think FFT is too hard-core for its own good. The tutorial is daunting, the stuff you have to 'know' is a lot. I can see how people new to the game get completely smoked. Nobody tells you when selecting a party that you should go into a battle with more than Ramza, and it's not obvious you can add the rest of your party right away.
Nobody tells you to heal, you have to equip the item skill and spend the JP to learn "potion." FFT is a great game with super-deep play mechanics, but if you're new to it, it'll eat you alive. That's not even getting to the hard fights which seem impossible if you didn't grind a bit beforehand or know the winning strategy from playing before.
Nobody tells you to heal, you have to equip the item skill and spend the JP to learn "potion." FFT is a great game with super-deep play mechanics, but if you're new to it, it'll eat you alive. That's not even getting to the hard fights which seem impossible if you didn't grind a bit beforehand or know the winning strategy from playing before.
Rpgmonkey said:
Thanks for this. Another tip that may or may not have been mentioned... When you're casting a magic spell, hit the right arrow near the spell and it will show the turnlist, so you'll see when your spell goes off. Helpful for making sure your target is where it should be when casting the higher level spells.
Alright, am I gonna be the first one to say it?
Game really doesn't look and run so hot on an iPhone 4. Lots of little slowdown all over the place (it's almost as bad -- or maybe worse overall? -- than the crushing slowdown of single spellcasts in the PSP version).
And man, does it seem horizontally stretched out to anyone else? I mean, just to a small degree, but it's there.
I still dig having it on my phone with me wherever I go, but somehow, it's just not the greatest port.
Love that it's sped up overall, but still too slow for my tastes. Guess SRPGs just aren't for me.
Game really doesn't look and run so hot on an iPhone 4. Lots of little slowdown all over the place (it's almost as bad -- or maybe worse overall? -- than the crushing slowdown of single spellcasts in the PSP version).
And man, does it seem horizontally stretched out to anyone else? I mean, just to a small degree, but it's there.
I still dig having it on my phone with me wherever I go, but somehow, it's just not the greatest port.
Love that it's sped up overall, but still too slow for my tastes. Guess SRPGs just aren't for me.
AuthenticM
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You know how Sony said the Vita would "enhance" PSP games? I wonder if playing Tactics on it would remove the slowdown...
Jedeye Sniv said:
Curious: Why does it matter so much to you that there should be newer players playing this?
Sure, but FFT is a 14 year old game. Most of the people that are going to come into the FFT threads online are probably the type to have played it on PSX or PSP several years ago. Those people comparing the types because the PSP's slowdown was disappointing and what stopped it from being "definitive" for them is an issue with this port. Why does it bother you (or other people) that they want to talk about that?
AuthenticM said:
Once again: No, overclocking CFW PSP's to 333mhz doesn't prevent the slowdown. It's a emulated engine-coded thing that did it. Moving it to the PSP2 isn't magically going to remove that flaw. Square should've and could've gone back in and fixed the flaw, but they probably never will.
Frankly, you shouldn't be casting too many spells anyway after a certain point for this to be an issue.
Eggo said:
You can say that for most Matsuno games in general. FFT, TO, VS... Was FFTA/A2 done by Matsuno? Because I think the only Matsuno game I've played otherwise that didn't have a tutorial but didn't need it was FF12 and that didn't need it bar the Gambit system that was easy enough to learn if you skipped the tutorial.
AuthenticM
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Sure, but it's not only the spells that are affected. Using an item results in slowdown. It's just frustrating. I think I'll stick with Tactics Ogre.TheSeks said:
matt360
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Wow, this game is a lot tougher than I expected. I remember the first few fights in Tactics Advance being extremely easy. But if you're not careful here you can get wiped out in the first few fights.
Also, extremely ignorant question, but what exactly does "turning off target colors" do? As in the moving spaces being blue and targeting spaces being red?
Also, extremely ignorant question, but what exactly does "turning off target colors" do? As in the moving spaces being blue and targeting spaces being red?
Jedeye Sniv
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TheSeks said:
It's not like it matters all that much, it would just be nice to read some impressions by people that haven't played the game a million times.
And the slowdown talk doesn't bother me so much as bore me. Yes there is slowdown. Said slowdown is greatly greatly reduced if you turn off target colours. It's reduced so much that I hardly notice it any more. What else is there to say? It's a dull conversation. Either there is a problem and it sucks and there is nothing that can be done, or there is not a problem, in which case play and have fun. Is there really much else to say about it?
i'm stuck here.
Battle 18: Golgollada Gallows - Gaffgarion (lv 17 Fell Knight) + 6 vs 5.
Time mages cast hasteja, then fira, Gaffgarion has that fucking blood sword and knights rent my fucking euip. I'm going to drop this game, yeah. And OF COURSE my dragoon hasn't a spear because i'm stuck and i can't buy it.
Time mages cast hasteja, then fira, Gaffgarion has that fucking blood sword and knights rent my fucking euip. I'm going to drop this game, yeah. And OF COURSE my dragoon hasn't a spear because i'm stuck and i can't buy it.
PittaGAF
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For what it's worth I never played FFT before on any platform (never owned a PSX or a PSP, more a PC type), bought it Saturday and since then I wasn't able to put it off.
I find it simply AMAZING
The story, the depth, the custscenes, the gameplay (a bit hard to grasp and difficult at the start but I'm getting there), the convinience having it always with me with no loading screen and fast AI, the imho perfect interface after you tinker with the extended options you get when you arrive at the World map (the default controls you get in the first 2 battles are a bit clumsy and there is a useless option that slow down things...something about colored visual aid to discern enemies), everything...
Great game, really.
Yesterday following the main path, all of a sudden with no loading or warnings, I was granted with a mini 2-minutes 'Miyazaki' movie...I was in love!
I find it simply AMAZING
The story, the depth, the custscenes, the gameplay (a bit hard to grasp and difficult at the start but I'm getting there), the convinience having it always with me with no loading screen and fast AI, the imho perfect interface after you tinker with the extended options you get when you arrive at the World map (the default controls you get in the first 2 battles are a bit clumsy and there is a useless option that slow down things...something about colored visual aid to discern enemies), everything...
Great game, really.
Yesterday following the main path, all of a sudden with no loading or warnings, I was granted with a mini 2-minutes 'Miyazaki' movie...I was in love!
finalozzo said:
I might be remembering wrong, but I found a way to win this battle while alternately feeling like a genius and a cheater:
recruit a black chocobo and fly it to the top of the gallows with someone capable of hitting Gaffgarion with projectiles riding it. I don't think he can reach you up there.