oo7
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Wolfpac in da house!
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First wolf pack found in California in nearly a century
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Hopefully nobody turns their back on this wolfpac, because bodybags.
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Love wolves, jealous I don't live in a place where they exist. How long before a mouth breather tries to shoot them though?
It's great that we're beginning to right a wrong we did against the species long ago.
Reading the article, it sounds like anyone who "accidentally" shoots them will likely get the book thrown at them, because the coloration of the wolves means that there's no way a person can "mistake" them for a cougar or other animal.
Reading the article, it sounds like anyone who "accidentally" shoots them will likely get the book thrown at them, because the coloration of the wolves means that there's no way a person can "mistake" them for a cougar or other animal.
Comfort Jones
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Can I ask why?
This is true. It also highlights another big challenge to wolves which is the fact people keep breeding wolf dog hybrids trying to get all the fierceness of a wolf with the loyal temperament of a domestic canine. Now you may think so what, this is how they bred dogs, how modern canines have come to be. But it's the rate at which it's happening. Wolves are barely recovering numbers and yet these Wolf-dog hybrids are already as numerous as wild wolves in some areas. Many are often just as vicious as wolves and are abandoned, or many escape. Unlike most modern canines, because they're a direct link to wolves, they retain enough genetics, characteristics that they readily breed with wolves. They piss and mark territory in a similar manner, howl. This presents the danger that it'll dilute the natural gene pool of the wild wolf. Like you've stated above the black mutation is due to domestication and this means that it's occurred, but that level was probably a fraction of what could potentially occur. Just an insight. Then again, humans have fucked up the natural order of things, and the evolution of many creatures, what's one more.
chugen
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Comfort Jones
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It's a serious question, because he's strongly implying that there's some "perk" to having wolves in your area. They're carnivorous animals, they're not fun super cool neighbors.
Not that I'm mad that their population is coming back, but if I lived in an area with any sort of large hunter I wouldn't be like "boy I bet people are jealous I live near things that could murder me hahahha". Might as well be jealous of people who get to live near rattle snakes ffs.
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Serious question?
If so, I love nature. Sadly where I live there aren't many large land mammals to see or admire and wolves are one of my favourite creatures. I know the chances of seeing them are remote, because they're shy and intelligent animals, but just knowing I could see one when out walking would be a thrill.
Ha, you were serious. I don't believe there has been one confirmed person killed by a wolf... And I'm not a chicken. I'd love to live in Africa or Australia too.
I would also love to see a wild rattle snake.
NoblesseOblige
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Is there some record of total wolf-dog hybrid population? I ask because most people who claim to have a 'hybrid' just have something mixed between wolf-like breeds (such as malamute and husky). But you're right about real hybrids being an issue. They're difficult to train, and the sort who desire them don't tend to be the most knowledgeable or prepared for what having a hybrid entails. So they abandon them. Wolf sanctuaries are usually populated with more of those hybrids than wolves. Also the black coloration in most is probably from hybridization attempts from over 10,000 years ago, but since it's a dominant trait it's propagated among wolves to this day.
Comfort Jones
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Ok they most certainly aren't a leading cause of deaths but really?
Much less dangerous than bears and whatnot but if you think they've never killed a person in all of recorded history a quick google search will shit all over that theory. If the right circumstances are in place they will moooost definitely kill a person.
Can't believe that's a thing I need to explain to someone.
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Yeah, was just reading that. I live near a main road, I have much more to fear from a boy racer mounting a curb and killing me with his car than pretty much any wild animal. I can't believe I would have to explain to somebody why I would like to live in a place with a rich and diverse animal population.
Irishmantis
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My Granny had a true wolf bread, other than with my Granny. It wasn't very social and kept to itself most of the time, but man it was harmless to people. There was always kids jumping around all day pulling on its ears and tail and it never gave a fuck.
But it's wolf traits showed a few like the times, it literally smashed in through the window because it seen another wolf looking Dog (German Shepard) to attack it and in the same week it got out again the pound caught it then he literally busted out the back of the Van lol
The problem is that if we follow your argument, one of the conclusions is that people should be running away from vending machines because many, many more people die due to them than wolves.
Yes, they can hurt people. But not nearly as much as people think. You are much, much more likely to die due to numerous things in your house.
NoblesseOblige
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Wolves these days know to stay the hell away from people. They'll smell a person and run long before even being seen by most. I think the only time you'd ever be in serious danger of being harmed by a wolf is if you stumbled across a den containing their young. And the chances of that happening haphazardly are minuscule. Even researchers have trouble finding them without remote tracking.
If you're in the US, and ever get the chance, I recommend a trip to Isle Royale. It's a common destination for wolf research due to the island's unique wolf-moose dynamics.
my friend recently had a pair of wolves, she had to get rid of them though. Sure, they were domesticated to an extent but they still had that spark of unpredictability. Had to get rid of them though, not enough space. Sold em' to a couple in California where from what I heard the wife ended up beating one of the dogs so it turned around and mauled her face. It was euthanized.
CadetMahoney
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most likely imo.
Aw poor thing.
What a idiot for beating up what is still a wild animal even if it domesticated in ways.and that is what pisses me off, when an animal acts up or lashes out the human always blames the animal, never taking into account they they might be to blame for provoking the animalAw poor thing.
Randolph Freelander
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I saw a documentary about wolves and the researchers studying them would set safe traps to catch them and then put on radio collars. They wouldn't even have to use drugs to sedate the animals because once they are held down they wouldn't bite or even struggle a lot. Very easy for the researchers to work with.
The vicious wolf attacking humans is fairy tale stuff. They've gotten a very bad rep. It doesn't help when trigger happy americans just want to shoot everything that moves and create justifications so they can.
The vicious wolf attacking humans is fairy tale stuff. They've gotten a very bad rep. It doesn't help when trigger happy americans just want to shoot everything that moves and create justifications so they can.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Yeah, and it's doubly ridiculous when you think about how the reasons dogs even exist as at all is because of how important and positive a relationship we had with wolves thousands of years ago.
Well, they're rare, but of course they do happen. And I'm not really talking about attacks that have been provoked but rather predatory attacks. In terms of predatory attacks children would probably be at greater risk.
Came here to post this, well worth the watch.
How Wolves Change Rivers
When wolves were reintroduced to Yellowstone National Park in the United States after being absent nearly 70 years, the most remarkable "trophic cascade" occurred. What is a trophic cascade and how exactly do wolves change rivers? George Monbiot explains in this movie remix.
Rabid wolves attacking people, yes. Healthy North American wolves, no. They're more docile.
I Stalk Alone
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Needs more attention. Along with their reintorduction in the uk and other such reintroductions of originaly native animals are a good lesson in the delicate balance of certain ecosystems and how plants animals and their physical environment really rely on each other to work in an optimal way that benefits all.
How long before scumbag hunters shoot them...
The first grey wolf seen in the Grand Canyon in 70 years was killed by a hunter in Utah who reportedly "mistook her for a coyote":
Wolf shot by Utah hunter was Echo, famed Grand Canyon wanderer
The first grey wolf seen in the Grand Canyon in 70 years was killed by a hunter in Utah who reportedly "mistook her for a coyote":
Wolf shot by Utah hunter was Echo, famed Grand Canyon wanderer
Sounds like males grow up and then wander quite a bit before they encounter females. So odds are that some males from an Oregon (or other state) pack will wander down and mate with females from this pack.
Similarly, some of the males from this pack may wander back north.
I may be wrong, but from what I'm reading about OR7, he wandered across several states in search of a mate.
Male wolves especially can be pretty heavily infected with wanderlust when they become adolescents since pack territories can be several miles long (20+) and there's a lot of human encroachment, but the interesting thing is not all wolves get the desire to go traveling and different wolves are willing to travel different distances.
Demoncarnotaur
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Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
what's a shasta tho
NoblesseOblige
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This is how most wolf packs form. They're made up of a breeding pair, a mother and father to rest of the group. Eventually a younger member from the group may wander off and encounter one from another, the two forming a pack of their own. Wolves are also territorial for miles, so yes, there's usually a pretty significant distance between the wandering member and its original family group.
And another tangentially related wolf fact: the idea of 'alpha pair' is old and misguided, not existing naturally. Wolves don't fight to become the breeding member in their pack. The exception is wolves kept in captivity, or in rare cases when several packs are tightly grouped. As stated above, they are simply a family with a parent pairing, with younger members looking to breed wandering off instead of fighting for the right.
Let's capture those wolf pups and squeeze the orange cream flavor from their bodies.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
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