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Gafia 3 [Mafia] | Welcome to Lynchwood Acres
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DAY 1 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Bronx-Man (3)
Blargonaut 212 217
Blargonaut 217 342
TheWorthyEdge 221
Blargonaut 383 392
Faddy 455 620
Blargonaut 568 573
Blargonaut 634 641
Blargonaut 649 658
Blargonaut 668 671
Kyanrute 669 674
Blargonaut 709 781
Crab 855
Kawl_USC 1050
Crab (3)
Swamped 159 841
Natiko 505 518
Blargonaut 781 783
squidyj 817
CCS 858
Swamped 1048
acohrs (2)
Blargonaut 342 383
Sorian 453
squidyj 546 817
Swamped 841 1048
*Splinter 872
Lone_Prodigy (2)
Verelios 71 396
Natiko 518
CCS 828 858
Faddy 831
Faddy (2)
Bronx-Man 492
Blargonaut 641 649
franconp 1017
Kalor (1)
Burbeting 953
gryvan (1)
Kyanrute 674
Burbeting (1)
Kalor 96
Swamped (1)
Sorian 62 135
Verelios 396
franconp (0):Faddy 620 831
*Splinter (0):CCS 605 828
squidyj (0):*Splinter 388 581, *Splinter 581 872
OceanicAir (0):Natiko 152 505
Kyanrute (0):squidyj 99 546
Kawl_USC (0):CCS 65 328
nin1000 (0):Burbeting 378 432
WhereAreMahDragonz (0):Burbeting 72 301, Blargonaut 573 634
Blargonaut (0):gryvan 158 425, Bronx-Man 215 416
Verelios (0):Faddy 90 455, Sorian 135 453
No active vote for Day 1: acohrs (has previously voted), Blargonaut (has previously voted), gryvan (has previously voted), Lone_Prodigy, nin1000, OceanicAir, StanleyPalmtree, WhereAreMahDragonz
Day 1 ends:
Automated vote tally here
13 votes for majority
Bronx-Man (3)
TheWorthyEdge 221
Crab 855
Kawl_USC 1050
Crab (3)
squidyj 817
CCS 858
Swamped 1048
acohrs (2)
Sorian 453
*Splinter 872
Lone_Prodigy (2)
Natiko 518
Faddy 831
Faddy (2)
Bronx-Man 492
franconp 1017
Kalor (1)
Burbeting 953
gryvan (1)
Kyanrute 674
Burbeting (1)
Kalor 96
Swamped (1)
Verelios 396
franconp (0):
*Splinter (0):
squidyj (0):
OceanicAir (0):
Kyanrute (0):
Kawl_USC (0):
nin1000 (0):
WhereAreMahDragonz (0):
Blargonaut (0):
Verelios (0):
No active vote for Day 1: acohrs (has previously voted), Blargonaut (has previously voted), gryvan (has previously voted), Lone_Prodigy, nin1000, OceanicAir, StanleyPalmtree, WhereAreMahDragonz
Day 1 ends:
Automated vote tally here
13 votes for majority
You are not answering my question. You asked why you were worried about me but now your answer is just talking about Faddy.
Let's try again. Why you are worried about ME?
Blargonaut
Banned
Fine, let's try again:
I'm worried about how much energy you're putting into having caught Faddy out and how significant it is. Sounds like you're just aiming for an easy target to appear townie.
Blargonaut
Banned
VOTE: Crab
I've been meaning to comment on Fran/Faddy for ages. This is going to have to be from memory though:
Fran has been accused of "vote policing", by Faddy, Sorian, and I think others. I don't like this accusation. I saw him questioning/scrutinizing votes, holding people to account for their votes/unvotes, but... that seems like a good thing? I don't understand where this becomes a scummy behaviour, is there some nuance I'm missing between his questioning and the usual vote examination?
Faddy... is harder to summarize, my opinion of him has flipped a few times throughout the day. In his defense the initial argument from Fran was fairly weak (I don't think there's a huge difference between a joke vote and a prod vote), and he has picked up some very easy bandwagon-y votes (WAMD sticks out as the worst offender for this, maybe Bronx too although I accept his initial vote was reasonable).
On the other hand, he's had some poor arguments himself, and his general reading comprehension / understanding of the game has not been to the standard I expected from him (disclaimer: comparing to his comments in a spec thread). There is a defense from him about "setting a baseline" for reactions to compare with later. I don't mind this explanation itself, but as far as I remember he said this quite shortly after Kawl said exactly the same thing? Felt like he was just hopping on someone else's reasoning to justify his own behaviour, and I do find that suspect. I'll have to read back* to check I'm getting this right.
*I just realised that neither Sawneeks nor Ty4on are in this game... Who will do my homework now?
Also quick shout out to Faddy flatly refusing to answer a question earlier (from Bronx, I believe). A few people have done that this game and it's the worst. Squidy, acohrs and swamped come to mind (although the latter two did eventually answer their questions I think). If I can muster the energy to trawl this thread again I'll name and shame.
From my perspective, fran was not asking me why my vote was how it was, he was telling me that I was voting for someone who I didn't think was scummy. This has now been found to have been a misunderstanding maybe but the idea rung true during that time frame with how he spoke to everyone.
That's my point, a lot of players are known for nothing and I could definitely see a scum mate drudging out any garbage to put a read on a scum mate.
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WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I am a careful player by nature. I don't throw votes around. A lot has changed since Gods.
Blargonaut
Banned
I gave various reasons why I think Faddy is scum. Why wouldn't I vote for who I think is scum?
Who do you want to vote?
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Can you please give specific instances to his scummy behavior? I'm not seeing it and I don't really understand where everyone is getting these bad vibes from. He's reading null / lean town for me.
That's a good point. I never quite gave Natiko any consideration seeing as how I feel he's playing pretty consistently from past games, but your read makes me want to go back and check him again
On the other hand, early reads are good for town in that they provide a good reference when the flip happens. And in a day where so little info is available to town, anything is valuable.
Feel free to drudge through my previous games. I've only ever had maybe two or so day phases in which I did not post a full reads list. It's something I always try and do to make sure I not only share my thoughts but to have points to reference back to. I'm not in the slightest saying you should town read me for it, but it really isn't very alignment indicative. I've done it as a neutral, town, town, and scum thus far.
I'm not saying that full reads lists are bad, I do those too from time to time. But when they are put out in Day 1 (especially in a game like this where there so many inactives/shitposters) just looks like you trying to seem useful, when most of your actual reads in that list are pretty much worthless right now.
Not saying you shouldn't vote for Faddy, your vote, your choice. I'm allowed to consider why I think you're voting though.
Not sure who I will vote for yet. Will have to ponder a bit before day end.
I've been meaning to comment on Fran/Faddy for ages. This is going to have to be from memory though:
Fran has been accused of "vote policing", by Faddy, Sorian, and I think others. I don't like this accusation. I saw him questioning/scrutinizing votes, holding people to account for their votes/unvotes, but... that seems like a good thing? I don't understand where this becomes a scummy behaviour, is there some nuance I'm missing between his questioning and the usual vote examination?
Faddy... is harder to summarize, my opinion of him has flipped a few times throughout the day. In his defense the initial argument from Fran was fairly weak (I don't think there's a huge difference between a joke vote and a prod vote), and he has picked up some very easy bandwagon-y votes (WAMD sticks out as the worst offender for this, maybe Bronx too although I accept his initial vote was reasonable).
On the other hand, he's had some poor arguments himself, and his general reading comprehension / understanding of the game has not been to the standard I expected from him (disclaimer: comparing to his comments in a spec thread). There is a defense from him about "setting a baseline" for reactions to compare with later. I don't mind this explanation itself, but as far as I remember he said this quite shortly after Kawl said exactly the same thing? Felt like he was just hopping on someone else's reasoning to justify his own behaviour, and I do find that suspect. I'll have to read back* to check I'm getting this right.
*I just realised that neither Sawneeks nor Ty4on are in this game... Who will do my homework now?
Also quick shout out to Faddy flatly refusing to answer a question earlier (from Bronx, I believe). A few people have done that this game and it's the worst. Squidy, acohrs and swamped come to mind (although the latter two did eventually answer their questions I think). If I can muster the energy to trawl this thread again I'll name and shame.
I was a lot more restrained in the spec thread. Mainly because I didn't think my running commentary would be good. There were plenty of posts that didn't get made that were dumb as hell.
I don't think showing that kind of restraint does much to help in the game thread if lots of people aren't participating. Like that squid/crab thing I just didn't know how to parse the vagueness of it all and how important it was so I posted my initial thoughts and got corrections from the group.
I can't believe the amount of posts this Bronx vote has generated. I read him as generally a bad player. read scum danganronpa3 thread for almost illiterate Bronx. He gets worked up so I refused him a broader explanation for a vote. I guess I should be happy my vote caused as many reactions as it did but so much later it is becoming disruptive.
Blargonaut
Banned
You're pretty good
I'm simply letting you know I've posted a full reads list D1 of every game I've played except Quarantine due to how different D1 was there. If you find it worthless that's fine, but personally they help me collect my thoughts. I wouldn't have any impressions of players like Swamped, WAMD, Vere, etc. had I just stuck with my memory and not gone back and reread for that list. Even if it wasn't valuable for anyone else it helps me solve. If I just was worried about appearances I'm pretty sure I could've done nothing and been fine seeing as I've contributed more than 80% of the players currently.
Hey Natiko don't let anyone tell you what techniques you can and can't use to help yourself solve the game
Not exactly stunning revelations but I would vote any of the inactives, Bronx, acohrs, Fran, and maybe Blarg at this stage.
For the specific names, Bronx is always a distraction to me. I'm not saying I'm up for a policy lynch because that isn't quite it but his defensive streak is still strong, he hasn't done anything overtly terrible so not my first choice.
I went over Acohrs in an earlier post. CCS made a recent post about why he is so confused at the hate towards his interactions and Acohrs. It still reads to me as one of them being scum and trying to shuffle up with the other (yes, tell me how I am trying to line up mislynches).
Fran v Faddy is an interesting game and I'd believe one of them is right about the other. I side with Faddy and think Fran was the one pulling some shit.
Blarg hasn't impressed me so far. He started with his usual shit posting but then left it early, which is fine, but he did it in favor of philosophizing about the game instead of actually trying to solve it.
For the specific names, Bronx is always a distraction to me. I'm not saying I'm up for a policy lynch because that isn't quite it but his defensive streak is still strong, he hasn't done anything overtly terrible so not my first choice.
I went over Acohrs in an earlier post. CCS made a recent post about why he is so confused at the hate towards his interactions and Acohrs. It still reads to me as one of them being scum and trying to shuffle up with the other (yes, tell me how I am trying to line up mislynches).
Fran v Faddy is an interesting game and I'd believe one of them is right about the other. I side with Faddy and think Fran was the one pulling some shit.
Blarg hasn't impressed me so far. He started with his usual shit posting but then left it early, which is fine, but he did it in favor of philosophizing about the game instead of actually trying to solve it.
For Bronx and Blarg I am against a policy lynch for shitposting. But if it is going to happen it must be today. I'm not lynching either on day 2 for shitposts on day 1.
Even though I am scumreading fran I still think I would rather go for a policy lynch against an inactive for the reason that lynching fran might get us 1 scum but it doesn't help us get his mates. Meanwhile we would still have a whole load of sandbaggers to carry. And if we are going to have a policy on inactives let's have one and stick to it.
Pushed to pick between achors and CCS. I would say it is more likely that CCS is scum but I don't have a strong read on either of them.
I mean, you guys can go ahead and lynch me if you want. Town would be shooting themselves in the foot, but hey, at least you guys got rid of the guy that you couldn't describe as doing anything scummy.
1) I am extremely lazy. It is true
2) about the blarg issue, regardless of whether I "summoned" blarg or not, he will still start said shitpost. Its inevitable and since we didn't have anything to talk about before the whole fran/Faddy happened, the RPing felt fun to do.
I never said I like what Blargs doing either...because its literally copy paste of large crap over and over to fill over an entire page so please don't put words in my mouth assuming you know what I am thinking thanks...
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On the near end of day voting, between crab and bronx...I can probably go with bronx due to his aggressiveness even though i still think of him as town. Crab...feels town but with few posts and hating the current thread trend, I don't know.
I'm also fine lynching between fran/faddy but i have to actually do more work/research (since I'm lazy) on that before i can put a final vote on it.
acohr/CCS I don't feel good about after joining with Bronx on listing all inactives (which is very acceptable/reasonable because we do have certain posters, including me, with low post counts) but this is happening on Day 1 out of all the days (The worse day in majority of gafia games). It also felt like a derailment of the fran/Faddy discussion.
What the fuck is wrong with all the people on this page saying they think Bronx is town but are fine with lynching him? If you think someone is scummy, even for weak reasoning, that's for a D1 lynch. Outright saying you think someone is town but that you're okay with lynching them is about as anti-town as it gets. Especially when they aren't the ones displaying the most anti-town or annoying behavior.
A utility lynch can be justified for a null read, especially on day 1, but I agree that if you read Bronx as actually town, versus just not strong reading him as scum, then lynching him is not a very logical position to take.
This part doesn't make sense. You are scumreading me but you won't vote for me because it doesn't help find my teammates. So you vote an inactive? You realize where is the contradiction in there?
If my flipping doesn't help you find scum, and I have been talking and proding people, how can you find scum when you flip an inactive? The inactive are inactives because they aren't posting in the game. How can you get better results that way? Your idea doesn't make sense.
I also don't like how you are trying too hard to push a inactives. Voting for inactives is an easy lynch to scum to hide. Also don't like how you keep talking about policy lynching, there's no need to a policy. You need to find scum, no kill the townies whp aren't playing as you like.
I don't see the contradiction. Our objective is to find all the scum. What is more helpful long term? Get rid of some dead weight and send a message to others that they need to be contributing which will force low post scum to participate.
If we lynch you today and you flip scum there aren't many connections to draw from that. Letting you live another day will give us more to go on. My plan isn't to have a good day 1 it is for Town to be in a good position in the late game.
I'll go ahead and say what I thought.
No it wasn't that he was me.
I was more concerned about the possibility of blarg being some type of third party role who is hunting for a particular "user". His frequent insistence that he wasn't blarg and asking others if they were blarg made me think he may have been trying to bait out name claims by people. I would recommend not disclosing that information on the off chance that he is a hunter type role.
While I've voiced disagreement on whether policy lynching an inactive will move the others to participate much (they will most likely just call your bluff as one lynch hardly sends a scary enough message and ambivalent town is likely just not assed enough or too busy to care), I can follow this logic at the very least.
The self evident logical chain is why I believe that town!Faddy is a good asset for town that I'd like to keep around over say Fran or Bronx.
That's an interesting thought, I hadn't really put much consideration behind his questions as I just chalked it up to Blarg nonsense. Something to consider at least.
The double edge sword of blargs posts is that just often enough he interlaces actual meaningful stuff amongst the shit where you can drive yourself crazy looking for something when it's actually just a normal 100% shit post.
So I'm most likely wrong here, but it jumped out at me so I wanted to pick others brain about it.
I don't policy lynch, I'm not mentioning either of them for that reason.
That's about what I thought you were hinting at, but it's not that strange for there to be a Blarg role in this game. And if he was, then I can't see the purpose of him doing so at this time. Very irrational, very Blarg.
Posting a read list shortly
I put it down to Blarg just being cute with the fact his role is not himself.
However
It has crossed my mind that player name could be an indication of alignment. Like whoever is Retro has a power role and things like that. But then if flavour like that was part of the game then those players would be given cover names.
So my thought is people should keep their role name secret.
I don't really see that as something that's happening though? People just seems to think Bronx is acting on the cusp of scummy that it's possible he could be town and possible he isn't. There isn't really a definitive thing you can point to for either point.
Fair play, I honestly forgot we were even doing flavor based on people's names.
Literally a shot in the dark, the beauty of this is anyone can be a role or not. Ouro can still tell his crappy jokes about anyone without them being a PR
So you think Bronx and Blarg are scum then?
I'm town reading Bronx for overreacting to everything and slightly scum reading Blarg because he seems to have rolled back on his shitposts a bit.
But then what does lynching Blarg get you. Does it matter if he flips town/scum? Unless you have some great insight into what his posts mean it is still mostly gibberish.
They're just wishy washy stances. It's like they're trying to pre-emptively give themselves excuses for if he flips town. It's D1, people realize all lynches won't hit scum. Why did Karl feel the need to justify it in advance? Gryvan's post I come away from feeling like he listed Bronx as the person he would vote for over all others while saying he thinks he's town. They're just not great looks to me.
Remind me how that one turned out. What info do we gain from lynching Bronx if you think he's fairly likely to flip town? Remember all that info we were supposed to gain from the CCS lynch? Go back and tell me how much it was mentioned D3 lol
Yea I was night killed. Can't help that town kind of dropped the ball, and that we were in a game state with all inactive scum.
Again you guys have to get past evaluating a decision only on the outcome. That's garbage level decision analysis.
And I think it's possible for Bronx to flip town. And yes even likely given how odds work in this game. But it doesn't mean I think it's highly highly unlikely for him to flip scum.
Literally a shot in the dark, the beauty of this is anyone can be a role or not. Ouro can still tell his crappy jokes about anyone without them being a PR
...you just made the li...
hm.
you're already on here...
I'm evaluating your reasoning for the vote, not the outcome. If you think he is your best shot to lynch scum today then fine. The way you phrased it did not make that out to be the case. I mean you're against an inactive lynch because it doesn't gain us anything but the way you speak about Bronx in they initial post I'm not seeing what we gain there either. I already said I realize we aren't going to always lynch scum, but we should at least be taking what we think is our best shot at hitting scum.