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Game of Thrones *Tagged Book Spoilers, Please Read OP* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO
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Of course? Arya grew up in a loving and nurturing environment, where she never wanted for anything. The idea of a girl from her kind of background being able to kill numerous people with little more than a shrug goes beyond the realm of believability. I'm not saying that a progression to desensitization isn't possible. I'm saying there was no progression.
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Yes, children have defended themselves in the real world. And those children are given swift therapy,because violence is a traumatic event for people. Like I said before, though I can see desensitization being worked into her story over time, I don't feel like that happened. I never got the impression that killing people had an impact on her. From the stable boy, to the battle with Yoren, to weasel soup, to the Harrenhal guard. Her ability to kill person after person without blinking just came off as highly unrealistic.
And I don't see the connection between her killing and her sense of identity. A recurring theme throughout her chapters is the idea of being a lone wolf separated from the pack, which ties much more appropriately to her identity issues.
And I don't see the connection between her killing and her sense of identity. A recurring theme throughout her chapters is the idea of being a lone wolf separated from the pack, which ties much more appropriately to her identity issues.
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Before AFFC, my chief criticism of Sansa's arc would be her lack of agency in her own storyline. One of the things I like about her story's direction is that Martin seems very much aware of this, and Sansa is adopting a far more authoritative role as Alayne. That's character progression I can get behind.
Arya's story just feels to be marching on without any awareness that violence around her should be having some kind of negative impact on her.
And I'm not going to get into a debate about which Stark kid had it harder. They all went through terrible ordeals. Sansa's is the most interesting of them though, because violence wouldn't solve it.
Arya's story just feels to be marching on without any awareness that violence around her should be having some kind of negative impact on her.
And I'm not going to get into a debate about which Stark kid had it harder. They all went through terrible ordeals. Sansa's is the most interesting of them though, because violence wouldn't solve it.
Steelyuhas
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WiC.net interview with Michelle Fairley, Maisie Williams, and Isaac Hempstead-Wright (haven't read, possible spoilers)
lol CB that sigil is perfect.
lol CB that sigil is perfect.
I put my House Sigil together:
You really put the fun in book fundamentalist.
Brilliant.
RatskyWatsky
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I'll put this excerpt in spoiler tags just in case:
Character assassination? I take it they're showing Catelyn's hateful attitude towards Jon? That actually sounds good to me.
A change involving Sam? Hrm.
Is that really a surprise though? That's what they've been going all along.
I laughed.
I was thinking the same thing.
Lactose_Intolerant
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1st episode spoiler
I read a review that said Ghost stayed with the Night Watch and apparently does something badass at the start of the show. Guessing he saves Sam.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
That's what I was thinking, and I think it sounds great too.
RatskyWatsky
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I mean,
adding a little more dimension to that character can only be a good thing, right?
Why would that perturb fans though? Sounds like a pretty inconsequential thing.
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I was actually thinking that the fact that they would bring up Catelyn's problems with Jon Snow this late in the game could even hint at larger ramifications for that relationship in future books. Why else bring it up?
Not as hyped as last season knowing there will be lots of deviations from the books that could end up worse than season 2. That said, certain moments are beyond screwing up and my anticipation for those knows no limits. These early reviews are helping!
As far as Sansa vs Ayra, they are a deliberate contrast not only in personalities, but in navigating the equally lethal games of soft and hard power. Neither would have survived in the others position or would have been able to accommodate the related brutal force fed first hand lessons of each type of power.
As far as Sansa vs Ayra, they are a deliberate contrast not only in personalities, but in navigating the equally lethal games of soft and hard power. Neither would have survived in the others position or would have been able to accommodate the related brutal force fed first hand lessons of each type of power.
Regarding Catelyn: Yeah, Jace is crazy for that one. I didn't even blink during the scene in question.
cubicle47b
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It's probably the most accurate tag I've ever seen, though.
RatskyWatsky
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Good to know!
Steelyuhas
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Yeah, that doesn't seem like a big deal, actually I think it's surprisingly cool considering Ghost just bailing last season, I assumed we wouldn't see him again until he reunites with Jon outside the Wall after the attacks on Castle Black.
I dunno, we'll just have to wait and see I guess.
I dunno, we'll just have to wait and see I guess.
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Probably has to do with Robb naming Jon his heir.
RatskyWatsky
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Pickles the Firecat
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I have never agreed with something as wholly and completely as I agree with this post right here. There's not even anything for me to add. You covered the entire issue from my perspective from head-to-toe.
I would love to have seen the reaction from critics and show fans if the Arya story line were kept in tact. I think that they would feel similarly to myself and Eidan, making it a huge sore point for the community. Ultimately, incorporating those elements over a longer period of time (with the Brotherhood, with The Hound, in Braavos) and in situations where she can learn to behave like the violent people she is traveling with will lead her to the same place as book-Arya on a more believable, better developed route. My assumption is that the show will have her reflect on the violent things she has seen and done when she links up with the Brotherhood.
Ah yeah, forgot about that. Still, one can hope.
Jibbajabbawockky
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That sounds ok actually. [ASoS]
I was kind of wondering how they'd have Sam get out of that situation in a non goofy way and having Ghost help somehow would be a nice way to get Ghost back in action.
And presumably it wouldn't necessarily mean Sam doesn't kill an Other and become Sam the Slayer. As I recall, Sam does that once the Night's Watch guys are away from the Fist and trying to get back to Craster's. So they could still have that happen later if they wanted.
And presumably it wouldn't necessarily mean Sam doesn't kill an Other and become Sam the Slayer. As I recall, Sam does that once the Night's Watch guys are away from the Fist and trying to get back to Craster's. So they could still have that happen later if they wanted.
I was worried for a bit too that I'd miss the premiere this Sunday since its Easter and I'll be at my parent's (no HBO). But I guess Time Warner and some other providers are having a free HBO preview weekend. Nice!
fallengorn
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Man, that picture just cements how awful Olenna's costume is. She looks like Ram Man from He-Man.
The Lamonster
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oh god. First I've seen it. You'd think they would have learned after last season. If you want something to be realistic it needs to be practical.
But as far as costumes go, at least we can see Cersei's collar bones this season. I want to be attracted to her but they've made it such a challenge.
Okay, now I'm fucking excited for the new season: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=77BrgOfOJiI
Steelyuhas
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Yeah that costume is truly odd.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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On the subject of the Queen of Thorns.
Spoilers just in case from ASOS
Spoilers just in case from ASOS
I want a Queen of Thorns/Tywin scene.
fallengorn
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Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Hell yeah..
KuwabaraTheMan
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I'll be pissed if they do that. That would both be a pointless change and take away one of the great moments of the book.
I always imagined him to be a late 20's - early 30's looking guy, not what I mentioned plus ten.
I'm fine with it though. I've dropped most of my gripes with the book - show translation. I'm confident in where D&D/HBO are taking the show, and I still thoroughly enjoy everything about it even if the books are the superior narrative.
Steelyuhas
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ASOS
That would be a pretty major change, I don't think they'll do that. I think the thing that's different is the Fist attack with Sam (Ghost saves him), and he'll kill the Walker later, just like in the book.
superdeluxe
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Tv audience...it is what it is :/
superdeluxe
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Never knew you were at gaf, myles.
I've been told that I'm not around particularly often, which is not inaccurate.
Memento Mori
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Trojita
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superdeluxe
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Good to hear your thoughts on the catelyn scene, people are jumping off cliffs on jace's review over at WiC.
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From the way he is discussed by the Night's Watch, Mance Rayder always seemed to me like he was closer to Jeor Mormont's generation, though slightly younger, placing him in his early 50s maybe. It is clear that the man has been practically a legend (and a sort of bogeyman/cautionary tale) for quite some time, so I don't know why people see him as in his early 30s.
fallengorn
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My two cents:
I think people tend to think of him as younger because he gives off that vibe. Just based of his exploits and how he carried himself, in my mind I was picturing Errol Flynn from Robin Hood.
KuwabaraTheMan
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