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Gawker: Here's what's missing from Straight Outta Compton - The women Dre beat up
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Mammoth Jones
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You mean a man who used to be a hardcore gangster rapper wasn't the perfect politically correct corporate man he is today?
I. Am. Shocked.
I. Am. Shocked.
This is a stupid post. She was famous prior to getting nearly killed by Dre. Good job victimizing her further after the fact.
GoldenEye 007
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Wouldn't it be natural for this stuff to come up around the release of the movie?
I don't get this particular complaint.
dream
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No, not really. On the spectrum of fame, I'd say she was somewhere between a non-J-Lo In Living Color fly girl and Pam on Martin.
That's definitely a stretch, you're reading in motivation that isn't clearly there. This piece may succeed in dissuading some people from seeing the film. But is that her goal? Is she trying to reach people who haven't seen it, or is she trying to give people who have already seen it more to think about? In either case it reads as sincere and her only explicit goal is to share her own experiences and to lament that the film in the end isn't "authentic". "its too bad for the movie and its too bad for its audience" isn't some scathing blast, it's pretty shrug-y.
I was thinking about seeing this movie then I read this and now I want to see it more. The question of how Dre and his peers engage with myth-making so many years out is interesting. The article is a lens to take to the film, now I'm going to be tuned looking for omissions and I'm going to particularly look out for the episodes she's related.
I mean you don't have to be politically correct to NOT beat up your girlfriend. Actually outside of Isis I can't think of a culture that thinks it's ok.
Empyrean Heaven
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Is Gawker's sole purpose these days being a complete buzzkill to everything popular?
God damn PC police ruining all our fun. Can't beat women any more without it following you around for the rest of your life.
I don't think the film makers had any responsibility to include Dre's abuse in the movie. They told the story they wanted to tell. That said, I think it would've been a more interesting film if they did. Dre especially is portrayed as a hero with few flaws besides maybe trusting the wrong people.
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-Pyromaniac-
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plagiarist tho?
Hagiographic = when a biography's author only shows the good quality of a subject and not the bad?
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Dre definitely came out looking the best in this movie. Even Ice Cube destroyed the record office and they got into his alleged anti-antisemitism. From what I can recall the worst thing Dre did was get a speeding ticket.
Dre did Indirectly talk about it right before the movie came out though. To my knowledge that's the first time he's spoken about it at any length and said he regrets it.
Dre did Indirectly talk about it right before the movie came out though. To my knowledge that's the first time he's spoken about it at any length and said he regrets it.
Absolutely. Would love to see gawker on the list of banned sites.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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It won't be because of Kotaku on the gaming side.
What is interesting about it?
Deadly Cyclone
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Not that it in any way makes up for what he did, but didn't he spend the last 10 years apologizing and fixing this stuff? Like on Guilty Conscious he basically apologized, then there was that interview or something recently where he said something about how much he fucked up and has spent the last however many years trying to redeem himself for it.
Not that it makes what he did alright, but he seems remorseful at this point.
Though it not being in the movie is another story.
Not that it makes what he did alright, but he seems remorseful at this point.
Though it not being in the movie is another story.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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:lol Figured gawker would be outraged about something everyone knew about and was even referenced in songs. And yeah, Cube being over of the main people on the movie really gave me the feeling this would be an unbiased dissection of their lives.
Not really. It was more of a joke than anything. A joke that minimized a horrible beating into a slap.
He definitely expressed remorse in that recent interview though. Hopefully it's sincere.
King Tubby
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There are plenty of cultures centered on machismo that think it's okay to hit a woman if "she deserves it".
It's interesting that you're digging up old articles and trying to mitigate the circumstances around Dr Dre kicking the shit out of a woman.
And did Gray get beat up? Did his professional relationship with NWA get cut? Quite the opposite. The poetic injustice of it all just kills me.
So? It was either that or suing for money. And Dre-produced records made bank. Might as well get as much out of your abuser as possible.
It was that interview that was the supposed cause of Dres attack on me, as many of his groupmates attested. My life changed that night. I suffer from horrific migraines that started only after the attack. I love Dres song Keep Their Heads Ringinit has a particularly deep meaning to me. When I get migraines, my head does ring and it hurts, exactly in the same spot every time where he smashed my head against the wall. People have accused me of holding onto the past; Im not holding onto the past. I have a souvenir that I never wanted. The past holds onto me.
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He has never apologized and has barely even acknowledged this. The whole point of the mention on Guilty Conscience is that Eminem pisses him off by bringing it up (also, downplaying it by calling it a slap)
The film does a really poor job at establishing a narrative at times, or recognizing other characters.
There is a woman Dre looks like he is about to beat with a baby. Assuming it's his wife? Girlfriend? Either way, that character leaves the film promptly.
dream
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I'm not trying to absolve Dre. He beat Dee Barnes, and that is unequivocally terrible.
But for all that Dee says about the effects and trauma that she suffered, it is amazing that her price tag was apparently one dope record produced by Dre.
Mammoth Jones
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No one is saying it's "ok" but am I going to hop on the "I'm outraged a gangster rapper acted like a gangster rapper back when he was a gangster rapper!"? No.
It was 91, it wasn't cool then. It isn't cool now. But I won't pretend to be shocked.
Beating -anyone- should follow you around for the rest of your life then. Unless you're suggesting special treatment based on gender....? Listen, every normal person knows putting their hands on someone is wrong. Especially the way Dre did it. He did her straight dirty. But maybe its that this is old news to me but I'm not going to muster outrage for something that happened over two decades ago. Doubly so when it was known about then. This isn't some secret that is just coming to light.
If you really believed what Dr. Dre did was "unequivocally terrible," you wouldn't be so surprised that Dee Barnes wanted him to pay for it, in some way. Does it really matter how she wanted payment? Getting a record produced by him could have been infinitely more valuable than a traditional money-settlement from a civil suit.
dream
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Oh, absolutely. Dee Barnes saw an opportunity and tried to grab it, just as she sees an opportunity now to get her name out there. Whether she's justified in being an opportunist is what's interesting to me.
...if you really believed what Dr. Dre did was "unequivocally terrible," how could she not be justified? Wouldn't it always be justified, for her to tell her story about what he did to her?
dream
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For something that she accepted a settlement on?
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Did she sign a NDA?
What is interesting to you about an opportunistic victim of assault? Why should she not attempt to receive recompense for being brutalized whether through the courts or other means?
My main question would be why would you be surprised if someone like her would try to resolve the issue without involving the courts? Would not involving the authorities have been seen as a potential good thing on her part at the time? I would think you'd agree that the people involved weren't the type to quickly go to the authorities to resolve conflict, no?
You are attempting to make it out like a bad thing to throw shade on her accusations, but it is perfectly reasonable why she did what she did.
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Why not? You think he bought her silence, so she's required to stop talking about it? I'm going to guess, because she's been talking about it for years and hasn't been sued, that silence wasn't negotiated in any settlement.
WyndhamPrice
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It's mentioned once in passing in the movie as "assault charges" when his future wife and him are having a moment and she's feeling reluctant about him pursing her but other than that it's brushed aside.
Not that I expected it to be talked about in detail or anything considering Dre being involved directly. There's also other perfectly valid things at play in a broader cultural context re: NWA going on in this movie that the specifics of Dre's personal life would not have ever gotten the kind of focus necessary for these incidents in this movie.
Not that I expected it to be talked about in detail or anything considering Dre being involved directly. There's also other perfectly valid things at play in a broader cultural context re: NWA going on in this movie that the specifics of Dre's personal life would not have ever gotten the kind of focus necessary for these incidents in this movie.
dream
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It just doesn't make sense to me. Her idea of justice was getting Dre to produce an album for her. Cool. Dre refuses, so now the price tag of justice is 22 million. Now, two decades later, we learn that she settled for far less.
It makes me wonder what really happened. Rolling Stone ran an article about the assault in 1991, where we get both sides of it:
I'm probably more inclined to believe Dee Barnes than circa-91 Dre, but bits of it are just weird.
Dude Abides
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You must realize by now, that you started this conversation with the preface "I'm not trying to absolve Dre," but...you're totally trying to absolve Dre. You're just taking a longer route to get there.
Intheflorsh
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So the best case scenario is that he "just" threw her through a door. Okay.
You seem like you're fishing to find a way to discredit her. Your last attempt didn't work so now you're moving onto this. Why?
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