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Genshin Impact |OT| 5.0 (Natlan) - Everything Changed When the Fire Nation Arrived

Pejo

Gold Member
Normal attacks also charge her burst. She can work with non Natlan crew but it will charge slower since Natlan characters can normal attack plus use nightsoul.
She probably has a constellation that makes it easier to gain stacks like Furina C2.

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Surprisingly general use friendly weapon.
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Mavuika on her bike.
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Woops I missed the 2nd page on Mavuika's kit. Yup C1 increases stack generation.
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Man I fucking HATE how motorcycle focused her kit is. Supposedly both in animations and in theme. I think we all knew motorcycle was coming, but I was hoping it was mostly just used for traversal and not combat. I will wait and see but I get this feeling it's gonna look stupid as fuck in battle. If it turns on a dime like Mualani on her shark especially. If they do it right, the turning radius would be fixed so it doesn't look stupid, but that would make it an absolute bear to use in combat. I really hate that the whole game was relatively low tech or fantasy tech and then all of the sudden Natlan comes in with DJ tables, flying mecha guns, and now a straight up Kawasaki.

Anyways, sounds like she heavily incentivizes using Natlan characters with her. I'll wait and see how C1 plays out, but either way you're better off with a nightsoul burster in the group at all times to play her optimally. I was really hoping for that leak about giving all characters Nightsoul to be true...

Anyways, here's Pyro Traveler. A big 'fuck you' to the leakers a few months ago that said it would be similar to "Harmony Trailblazer" from Star Rail (in other words, actually good, useful, and meta).
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Also a little more about that Lanyan girl, (not a child thank goodness).
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Overall I'm kinda down. Not completely down, I still need to see how the kit works and the animations and stuff, but MAN. They had so many cool ways to take Mavuika, even still with the motorcycle as a small part of the kit, but this? FUCK.
 
Couldn’t agree more, we went fantasy with some old tech here and there, to modern shit everywhere that clashes with the rest of the universe. I was hoping the bike would just be a promo thing or make an appearance in her Ult, not be a mechanic that we have to deal with. Ugh. Hype levels decreasing faster every day
 

jonnyXx

Member
Kinda disappointing that new characters don't actually use their damn weapons in combat.

Mualani is catalyst but attacks using her shark.
Kinich is claymore but attacks using an arm cannon.
Xilonen is sword but attacks with kicks.
Chasca...
Mavuika has the bike.
And this anemo shielder is polearm but she is holding chakram.

The weapons are just stat sticks.
 

Pejo

Gold Member
Kinda disappointing that new characters don't actually use their damn weapons in combat.

Mualani is catalyst but attacks using her shark.
Kinich is claymore but attacks using an arm cannon.
Xilonen is sword but attacks with kicks.
Chasca...
Mavuika has the bike.
And this anemo shielder is polearm but she is holding chakram.

The weapons are just stat sticks.
100% agree. I hated that I was baited into rolling, but I thought Arlecchino's spear was the best implementation of a signature weapon. Extra visual effects that ties into the character if you use it on them, visible at all times in combat, aesthetic as hell. I'd much rather that than just making the weapons an invisible stat stick so they can do whatever they feel like doing with the animations.

Also, I don't know why they've been so allergic to making more weapon types through the years. There's no rule that we can't have gauntlets or whips or chakrams. Their imagination is the limit there, as long as they provide easily accessible F2P 4* weapons as an alternative. Also Star Rail and ZZZ blew the hinges off the door of "we can only have 5 base character models", yet they seem stuck with that outdated design choice too.

I think I personally had Mavuika so hyped in my brain that reality was going to let me down no matter how it went, but I'm going to be patient and not overreact until I see the gameplay first hand. It's just such a shame to have her go ham in all of those cutscenes demonstrating that she's a badass warrior, and we get this neutered-sounding version in a playable kit that SOUNDS like Mualani on a motorcycle. Mualani I already have, and I hate her playstyle despite the relative strength. I definitely didn't want more of that type of gameplay.
 

ap_puff

Member
Tbh I think Citlali's visual design is really cute but i think the lolibaba archetype doesn't fit, i wish she was just a normal girl
 

Pejo

Gold Member
Tbh I think Citlali's visual design is really cute but i think the lolibaba archetype doesn't fit, i wish she was just a normal girl
I don't think she's really lolibaba though? Her design never struck me as loli at all, just teens/20s girl. But yea, to your point, maybe that's the problem. She's too mature for true lolibaba to work, and nothing about her design screams "ancient old lady in a young body". Her personality is probably my favorite in all of Natlan so far, and I like her design a lot, but until we get a story quest or something, the fact that she's a secret granny does seem out of place. I hope they bring it together with her quest.
 

ap_puff

Member
I don't think she's really lolibaba though? Her design never struck me as loli at all, just teens/20s girl. But yea, to your point, maybe that's the problem. She's too mature for true lolibaba to work, and nothing about her design screams "ancient old lady in a young body". Her personality is probably my favorite in all of Natlan so far, and I like her design a lot, but until we get a story quest or something, the fact that she's a secret granny does seem out of place. I hope they bring it together with her quest.
True she's not like a child model but like they already did the "haha I'm actually x00 years old but I look like a teenager" schtick with Faruzan, it's just... Meh.
 
I'm not smitten with the motorcycle either, but I've accepted that Genshin has changed in that respect. Maybe it was Chasca's flying revolver that put the last nail in the coffin for a believable Teyvat. Now I'm along for the ride. For me Natlan's success never relied solely on Mavuika, but I get how this might sound disappointing for her biggest fans. A flaming horse/Saurian that she summons would have been more appropriate perhaps. It could have even been its own character. But who knows, maybe her motorcycle will talk too, like the bike in Kino no Tabi. It's all about how it's implemented. She's not lost yet.

Kinda disappointing that new characters don't actually use their damn weapons in combat.
As someone who doesn't pull for signatures, this is a total win for me.

as long as they provide easily accessible F2P 4* weapons as an alternative.
This is probably what's preventing them from doing it. They'd have to release new batches of 4-star weapons and somehow distribute them to players in an effective way that doesn't harm their monetization. Much easier to just give characters a Catalyst and completely change their move set.
 

Pejo

Gold Member
I'm not smitten with the motorcycle either, but I've accepted that Genshin has changed in that respect. Maybe it was Chasca's flying revolver that put the last nail in the coffin for a believable Teyvat. Now I'm along for the ride. For me Natlan's success never relied solely on Mavuika, but I get how this might sound disappointing for her biggest fans. A flaming horse/Saurian that she summons would have been more appropriate perhaps. It could have even been its own character. But who knows, maybe her motorcycle will talk too, like the bike in Kino no Tabi. It's all about how it's implemented. She's not lost yet.
It's just that she's been shown in official scenes to be an incredible fighter, and from the sounds of her kit, we're not getting any of that. Just zoom zoom around and maybe a few thwacks off the side of the bike. But yea, a lot of this is just me doomposting because I was so hyped to have her in the game to begin with. A lot of this is carry-over from the mistreatment of Himeko in Honkai Impact, I can't deny those accusations. I wanted cool attack animations and a big bombastic burst, and we might still get it, albeit covered in motorcycle piss. I just need to calm down and wait it out to see for myself.
This is probably what's preventing them from doing it. They'd have to release new batches of 4-star weapons and somehow distribute them to players in an effective way that doesn't harm their monetization. Much easier to just give characters a Catalyst and completely change their move set.
Well we do have 'main' events every single patch. Doesn't seem hard to throw those in there as rewards instead of the usual stuff we get, on top of crafting recipes they could add any number of places. I'm not saying a new weapon every patch or anything, but after 4 years I wouldn't be mad if they added 1-2 new weapon types.
 

deanote666

Member
Got C5 Ororon.

Lost 50/50 to Mona C7 at soft pity. Got Chasca early. Won 50/50 in under 10 single pulls after that and got Chasca C1. Got her weapon as the first 5* at soft pity.

Also got Chev reuse up a constellation from the weapon banner.

Guess I should actually do her trial now...

I staked out the area next to the 3 Fatui in the upper left part of the map and turns out I picked the right spot for where the new area started. Just a bit north of the new waypoint.

Almost got my 2nd account to where I can guarantee biker girl and her weapon.
 
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Pejo

Gold Member
I really wanted Ororon so I did 1 10 pull… and I got him! lol I’m out, back to saving

So happy, I was like, ok just 1, man I got hyped when he popped, my gf was laughing at me
Damn that's gotta be a good feeling, especially with 4*s.

I tried Chasca for a bit in the trial. Not as bad as I imagined, but not good enough to get me to pull at this juncture with Mav so close. Maybe on a rerun, but probably not even then because we'll likely be long gone from Natlan at that point, making her universally worse.
 

jonnyXx

Member
I really wanted Ororon so I did 1 10 pull… and I got him! lol I’m out, back to saving

So happy, I was like, ok just 1, man I got hyped when he popped, my gf was laughing at me
lol I saw your post and decided to try the same. Just did a 10 pull and the first thing I got was Barbara and I thought oh well, but right after her came Ororon.

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Pejo

Gold Member
Anyone else (that plays with a controller) feel that aiming with Chasca is not thought out well? Ideally you want to be just high enough off the ground to not get hit by melee attacks, but then the enemies run right underneath you and it's a pain keeping them centered in the reticle.
 

jonnyXx

Member
Anyone else (that plays with a controller) feel that aiming with Chasca is not thought out well? Ideally you want to be just high enough off the ground to not get hit by melee attacks, but then the enemies run right underneath you and it's a pain keeping them centered in the reticle.
I play with controller sometimes but did her trial with m+k just now, as I was doing it I thought of exactly what you just mentioned. I was aiming at enemies right below me and thought this probably sucks on controller.
Don't even want to think about touch controls.
 

Pejo

Gold Member
Pyro Traveler + Citlali kits:

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Citlali sounds like she does a lot of stuff. Shields, EM buffs, certain reaction buffs, res shred, Nightsoul restore, flies for traversal, Her flight sounds like Ororon's, done just by holding jump.
 

jonnyXx

Member
Lol so this just happened. Praise the artifact extractor

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Pejo Pejo I didn't like either of the new characters' gameplay. Clunky af. Big skip
How the fcuk do you have so much mora? I don't even level all characters plus I buy the battle pass and I usually hover between 1-2 million.
Leveling things is so expensive, 700k just to crown one talent.
 

deanote666

Member
How the fcuk do you have so much mora? I don't even level all characters plus I buy the battle pass and I usually hover between 1-2 million.
Leveling things is so expensive, 700k just to crown one talent.
When you hit AR60, AR exp converts to mora. In my case, I've mostly leveled who I'm leveling, except the 2 new characters, so it builds up.

I went through the Mona phase back when the game first came out.
 
lol I saw your post and decided to try the same. Just did a 10 pull and the first thing I got was Barbara and I thought oh well, but right after her came Ororon.

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Hell ya!!!!!!!

I have been saving for a a while now, so I was like well fuck it, 1 10 and let’s see what happens.
 
Pulled Chasca in 160 pulls. Whether she's worth that much remains to be seen. I got 5 Ororon copies, which they should've given to someone else really. Somehow this game can smell when I don't care about a character, and then they drop a bunch for me.

Anyway, I like her. She's a lot less gimmicky than I thought. Her gameplay is quite comfy and straightforward. Maybe it's because I've been playing so much Mualani, but it feels nice to just blast fools. Because she can apply elements herself, she works well with niche supports like Shenhe or Chevreuse who lack their own elemental app. It's fun to experiment with that. One small issue I found is that when the last marked enemy dies, all the bullets you've loaded disappear. I could see that getting annoying in wave-based content.

Her flying seems somewhat limited. I expected better ascension capabilities, but I assume they didn't want to make Geo climbers from Natlan irrelevant. There's areas in the new region that beg to be flown in. There's air currents and bundles that refill Phlogiston so you can fly for a very long time. But of course, that benefit is lost in all other regions. Genshin characters are more like novelty toys nowadays. You get a new character, play them for a while, bench them when a shiny new toy comes out and then occasionally whip 'em out. Chasca, just like almost every other Natlan character, fits that description.

Mavuika animations.

This looks pretty darn good to me. She has cool and active animations, she goes Super Saiyan and she can hover, climb and basically do everything. I can imagine it might be too gimmicky for some, but I like it.

Citlali animations.

This one on the other hand is a tad disappointing. She's cute, but if it wasn't for the Burst animation, I'd expect her to be a 4-star. Supports like this are always hard to get excited for, but I feel like this one might be a bit worse than other supports. We'll see how useful she is. At least she can run Sac Frag. Maybe Citlali + Xianyun for plunge is a possibility?

Lanyan animations.

This one's a traditional Genshin character. She looks cute and her animations are great. I wonder how useful her NAs will be, because they look fantastic, but she's supposed to be a support, right? Looks like she requires enemies nearby to show off her full skill, so this video is a bit lacking. Still, a nice freebie for Lantern Rite.
 

jonnyXx

Member
When you hit AR60, AR exp converts to mora. In my case, I've mostly leveled who I'm leveling, except the 2 new characters, so it builds up.

I went through the Mona phase back when the game first came out.
That's a lot of 5 star weapons. I've never even seen whatever that is Ningguang has equipped.
Yao Yao on Homa🤔

I hit AR60 a few weeks ago. Don't feel like it made any difference. Not yet anyway.

This one on the other hand is a tad disappointing. She's cute, but if it wasn't for the Burst animation, I'd expect her to be a 4-star. Supports like this are always hard to get excited for, but I feel like this one might be a bit worse than other supports. We'll see how useful she is. At least she can run Sac Frag. Maybe Citlali + Xianyun for plunge is a possibility?
She's an off fielder but I guess anyone except bow users can plunge and will work with Xianyun.

This one's a traditional Genshin character. She looks cute and her animations are great. I wonder how useful her NAs will be, because they look fantastic, but she's supposed to be a support, right? Looks like she requires enemies nearby to show off her full skill, so this video is a bit lacking. Still, a nice freebie for Lantern Rite.
She is a shielder and her burst pulls enemies, hopefully the pull is as strong as Kazuha and not like Lynette.
 

ap_puff

Member
Mavuika animations.

Citlali animations.

Lanyan animations.

Dang citlali is cute. Tempted to pull just for those animations even if I'm not the biggest fan.

How the fcuk do you have so much mora? I don't even level all characters plus I buy the battle pass and I usually hover between 1-2 million.
Leveling things is so expensive, 700k just to crown one talent.
Simple, I don't level anything other than what I really use
 
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deanote666

Member
That's a lot of 5 star weapons. I've never even seen whatever that is Ningguang has equipped.
Yao Yao on Homa🤔

I hit AR60 a few weeks ago. Don't feel like it made any difference. Not yet anyway.
If you're still crowing talents, it will be a bit before you feel the AR60 mora bump.

Got 70 5* weapons at the moment. The other Homa is on Hu Tao. ;)



Anyone figure out what to do with the floating sigils that have something to do with the bat abilities? I aim on them, it reacts with the floating sigil, and the sigil dims for a few seconds. No tutorial on what to do with those. Or is there a story locked ability that is needed? I haven't started the 5.2 story yet.
 

jonnyXx

Member
Got 70 5* weapons at the moment. The other Homa is on Hu Tao. ;)

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Anyone figure out what to do with the floating sigils that have something to do with the bat abilities? I aim on them, it reacts with the floating sigil, and the sigil dims for a few seconds. No tutorial on what to do with those. Or is there a story locked ability that is needed? I haven't started the 5.2 story yet.
I think they just give you a higher jump.
 

Pejo

Gold Member
Mavuika animations.

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Still a bit far from my lofty hopes
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But it looks WAY better than I expected it to. She seems to have a basic imbue on her level 1 skill if she stays on field, as well? It was hard to tell if that was an imbue or not based on the SFX. I assume if you swap her out after using the level 1, it does coordinated attacks like Shogun's skill. Was the last 10 seconds her Burst or did they just not show it? I assume the mini Burst cutscene wasn't in the beta for spoiler reasons or something, there's no way an Archon just doesn't have one. Or maybe they didn't show the burst at all and the spin thing was the mounted Charge Attack.

Interesting that her normal CA is just a big swing instead of a repeated swing/spin like most claymores.

The bike animations look better than expected. Still a little weightless and goofy for the combat stuff but the traversal looks good, even the hovering (can't believe I'm saying that).
The bike itself looks way better with more detail. They used a lot of design elements on the bike from her final iteration in Honkai Impact 3:
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Just enough homage that those that played HI3 will "get it", without being a straight 1:1 copy. I think they did well.

So yea, Citlali looks cute but boring, Anemo 4* looks boring as fuck, but I don't care, going all in on Mav. Her signature weapon looks great, too. I was hoping it would have been one of her signatures from HI3, but that probably would have been too on-the-nose for people, so I'm fine with the more Natlan-y sword we got.
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Overall, I'm happy and can't wait to see more. Now they just need to not fuck up the numbers. If they wanted to remove the motorcycle entirely, I wouldn't complain, but it's not all doom and gloom like it started.

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Saw this meme about her gameplay:

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jonnyXx

Member
But it looks WAY better than I expected it to. She seems to have a basic imbue on her level 1 skill if she stays on field, as well?
I think she only has Pyro infusion while riding the bike.

I assume if you swap her out after using the level 1, it does coordinated attacks like Shogun's skill.
Not sure if it's coordinated attacks or it just attacks automatically. The skills description says attacks nearby opponents at intervals.

Was the last 10 seconds her Burst or did they just not show it? I assume the mini Burst cutscene wasn't in the beta for spoiler reasons or something, there's no way an Archon just doesn't have one. Or maybe they didn't show the burst at all and the spin thing was the mounted Charge Attack.
Mavuika burst.
 

Pejo

Gold Member
I think she only has Pyro infusion while riding the bike.
Lame, but expected. It'd be nice to viably play her with or without the bike.
Not sure if it's coordinated attacks or it just attacks automatically. The skills description says attacks nearby opponents at intervals.
I'm not sure which is better for reactions, probably the automatic attacks? You want the Pyro to be already applied to the enemy before your on-fielder hits, and from what we read a few days ago the damage is low on her off-field skill, so I guess Automatic is preferable?
Eh... Not fantastic. Seems like they ripped the basic concept directly from Shogun, but the entrance animation isn't as good. I was hoping for something a bit more bombastic.
 

deanote666

Member
Just keep healing and 2/3 achievements will probably pop. Used Jean and Kokomi.

Use a pyro archer to take out the ice shield on the bugger itself and you'll get achievements 2/3.
 

Pejo

Gold Member
It's time for C6 Benny. Or enable self-vape with Candace if you don't want to be a scrub.
Man, the Monkey's Paw that I finally get Playable Mav but to use her with her cool sword animations I have to waste a party slot on Bennett....

It's alright though, there's a mod that turns Bennett into Jeht, and he already has a girl's voice in English.
 

Pejo

Gold Member
Mav vs. enemies:


So the skill looks like those timed sun bursts that come down vertically, so it is an automatic thing, not coordinated? I can't tell because the leaker never stops attacking, but you can clearly see like bolts of fire shooting down separate from the attacks.

Honestly this kinda looks like ass to control.
 

ap_puff

Member
Man, the Monkey's Paw that I finally get Playable Mav but to use her with her cool sword animations I have to waste a party slot on Bennett....

It's alright though, there's a mod that turns Bennett into Jeht, and he already has a girl's voice in English.
You don't need bennett, just use chevreuse and an overload team
 
So the skill looks like those timed sun bursts that come down vertically, so it is an automatic thing, not coordinated? I can't tell because the leaker never stops attacking, but you can clearly see like bolts of fire shooting down separate from the attacks.
I don't see the ring on her and she's on the bike, so I assume this is the held version of her skill, which shouldn't have coordinated attacks. Not sure what those beam attacks are, maybe the Pyro damage that happens when she drives into enemies.

Just started the quest in Chasca's tribe, and Iansan literally asks Paimon whether she's "gotten fatter again" in Japanese. The EN line is quite different, pretty entertaining to see.

Edit: This is just ripe for memeing.
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Pejo

Gold Member
I don't see the ring on her and she's on the bike, so I assume this is the held version of her skill, which shouldn't have coordinated attacks. Not sure what those beam attacks are, maybe the Pyro damage that happens when she drives into enemies.
Could be right. Maybe the hold automatically activates the automatic attacks though, guess we'll see in a bit.
Edit: This is just ripe for memeing.
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Honestly, it should probably be the new subreddit banner for the Genshin official subreddit.
 

BJK

Member
Did the trial for Chaska, and hated the flying controls. Planned to pass on her, and definitely going to now.

I have more resources stocked up than any point I can remember (about 280 draws). Was thinking about mass-investing in Mavuika, but I’ll wait and see if the constellations are worth trying for if I don’t want to use the other Nathan characters.
 

Pejo

Gold Member
General overview of 5.3:
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Nice that we can pick Lanyan in the selector, but if she's on Mav's banner, no way I don't get her C6 anyways.

Surprisingly the Beetle Battle is Cloud Retainer this time, not Itto. I'll fuckin' take it! She's one of my favorite on-screen personalities in the game, always some good comedy.
 
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