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[GI.Biz | Opinion] How long can Microsoft float on goodwill?
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Tiago Rodrigues
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I don't even know what's satire on Gaf and what's serious.
GHG
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Well then, I guess you don't like me. The Infinite campaign was my GOTY for 2021 (though I didn't vote for it here).
It's fine, at least you're better than those guys who tried to tell everyone stuff like bleeding edge and crackdown 3 were good.
Syphon Filter
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Starfield is on PC so i dont see it selling consoles.
Kvally
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Bleeding EdgeIt's fine, at least you're better than those guys who tried to tell everyone stuff like bleeding edge and crackdown 3 were good.
ChorizoPicozo
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summary?.
is this about AAA releases?
is this about AAA releases?
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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It does seem like people are overhyping the game for what it is, but at the same time it looks like a quality game and some of the kind of variety Xbox needs on the 1P front. Hell I wouldn't mind seeing Sony pull out of some their legacy IP and give them some AA-type love, 1P or 3P-developed. Would be a great balance of variety between the GOWs, Horizons, GoTs, Spidermans, TLOUs etc.
Which I guess ultimately points to MS's bigger problem; on the AAA front they don't have much of anything which is mass-market appealing to core gamers or the mainstream. Doing stealth drops with quality games like Hi-Fi Rush is pretty neat in ways to spike interest (though I can see how it's also potentially problematic, i.e you kind of need to stay subscribed or you might miss out on a new release...though it's a fair strategy for retaining subs and if you don't have FOMO you can wait to later to play it because MS doesn't take their own games out of the service on rotation), but they still need the bigger AAA exclusives with mass-market appeal, and consistently, to really prop the brand up long-term.
And going by RedFall's presentation so far, plus word Starfield's still in a really rough state (supposedly)...it's going to be a long time before Microsoft seems to get to that point, TBH.
So how is that working out for them when software and subscription revenue are both down by double digits?
Apparently there aren't a lot of people with your mindset, at least not right now, otherwise hardware sales would be at least a bit stronger. Particularly for the S, since it would perfectly service the scenario you bring up.
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Kvally
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It will sell consoles to console gamers.
What do you care about Xbox ‘changing the position’?
People who own Xbox consoles have had an excellent game dropped less than 48 hours ago. Why does a consumer have to care about whether a game is a ‘system seller’ instead of just whether the game is quality and fun to play?
It’s a really silly article.
Kvally
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The fact that the game shadow dropped I am enjoying the shit out of it means I win. Not sure why people that game don't have a gaming priority.
anthony2690
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I think the good will, will continue when you look at the game pass offerings.
We got monster Hunter Rise, hi Fi rush and more this month.
Feb and march at the minimum we know we are getting atomic heart and wo long.
Obviously everyone enjoys and plays different things.
We got monster Hunter Rise, hi Fi rush and more this month.
Feb and march at the minimum we know we are getting atomic heart and wo long.
Obviously everyone enjoys and plays different things.
People here act like that Xbox players have nothing going on.First of all, Majority of console players are casuals who only buy systems for third party gamers.Second, Game pass subscribers are well fed with big backlogs.
sainraja
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People who have double-standards based on what console a game is on are the oddest of all the people I have seen posting here. I feel like they can sometimes be worse then those who some of us might simply label as 'fanboys'. But what can ya do!
I think RedFall looks pretty interesting after the recent presentation and it's by Arkane.
remember_spinal
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This feels like its gonna be the Hitman 3 of 2023. When that came out it got a lot of praise and people calling it an early GOTY contender and when award season came around everyone completely forgot about it and 2021 was a much weaker year overall than 2023 is gonna be.
this game can’t even win in the indie type awards (since its not an indie), much less against the big boys
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Hi-Fi Rush gets a 98% positive rating on Steam, with extremely positive reviews.
You: “xbox console gamers are overhyping the title”
How does this make sense to you?
Apparently Starfield has no mass market appeal and does not appeal to core gamers.
You certainly do consistently come up with some strange takes as you seek to downplay anything Xbox.
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James Sawyer Ford
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Having smaller, quality games is better than having mostly nothing. 2023 doesn't look amazing for Xbox, but it looks good enough for me to turn it on occasionally. A lot is riding on Starfield as the stand out title for them, but I am honestly not convinced it's going to do as well as they possibly want based on what we've seen.
They just need to continue building on the momentum of 2023 and get better rather than constantly being one step forward, two steps back.
They just need to continue building on the momentum of 2023 and get better rather than constantly being one step forward, two steps back.
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sainraja
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Well, that is the subject of the article, that is being discussed in a thread about it?
Yeah, people do seem to forget that. They need "reasons" to prefer what they like, while downplaying what they don't like. Like, dude, if you take issue with others doing it about your favorite game, why do I see you doing the same thing in another thread about another game? lol
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anothertech
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Punished Miku
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I disagree. The game is going to be on many top 10 lists
Is it? “How long can MS float on Goodwill”.
Seems to me this concerns people who’ve actually bought the consoles and want quality games to play.
Award shows are popularity contest anyway restricted by games played by voters which are mostly popular titles.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Yes, Pentiment with dat sweet 1% completion rate. Whooo!!
I mean there is an Xbox Ambassador on Twitter right now championing Hi-Fi Rush but when asked if they've actually played it? You know, the thing people tend to do when it comes to video games? Guess what her answer was? Just guess...
And that's a recurring problem with some of the people who praise these Xbox exclusives in particular online, or put them in their GOTY or Top 10 lists or whatever. Many of them barely play these games, so what's the personal experience they've had to validate why they feel these games are worth the high praise?
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Bumblebeetuna
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Lots of “era icons” making dumpster tier posts in this thread. Must be a slow day there.
ChorizoPicozo
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all this praise of Hifi rush is just overcompensation for you know what.Plus people equating the game existing thanks to Game Pass are just misinformed (just like the opposite force).
MS is going to have a hard time ahead. it will be entertaining.
MS is going to have a hard time ahead. it will be entertaining.
remember_spinal
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We’ll see, a year like this i don’t see it having sticking power.
one of the biggest things it has going for it is the fact that it was a shadow drop.
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James Sawyer Ford
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He didn't really say anything about to 10 lists, but GOTY candidates. I'm sure it will be, it's got that niche appeal. But it'll never be a serious GOTY title in comparison to the likes of Zelda, RE4 Remake, Final Fantasy 16, Spider-Man 2, Starifield. It's pretty obvious that this year the GOTY list will be dominated by those names.
It doesn't need to be, and that's ok!
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nial
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He didn't say that?
sainraja
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You said silly article in response to someone stating what could/could not change the position of Xbox, the position established by the article, what you were calling silly. I was just pointing out the obvious, which was....that well, we are in a thread about it, no?
remember_spinal
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And we don’t even know what may come out and dominate conversation again That hasn’t been announced yet
Punished Miku
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One stupid person. GOTY in 2022 from my experience was mostly Xbox players who had played way more variety of games that year and PS gamers who hadn't even heard of most of them. That's not a dig. Thats just what happened.Xbox ambassador… yikes
Many people trashing High on Life and Pentiment never touched it. More people have played PS exclusives and have a more informed opinion of them. The issue is often people who haven't tried Xbox but still criticizing
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Not the first time AA games have landed on GOTY lists. Stray, Hades, Hollow Knight, Ori…
Not sure how effective “xbox folks are thirsty” is a rejoinder when Steam reviews are extremely positive
Kvally
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And that is unfortunate. It seems it comes down to more of a popularity contest and if hundreds of millions were spent making the game vs. 10s of millions. Same goes for racing games. While the contenders last year were solid nominees and winners for GOTY, I played a few games that were better in my experience and cost much less to make.
Which leads me back to game forums like this. I look at and read what my peers are playing and enjoying and go from there. GOTY never sways my decisions on games.
ChorizoPicozo
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but stray was
DeepEnigma
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#adXbox ambassador… yikes
Grounded did big numbers actually. It’s easily the most successful out of all the “MS passion projects” but people here aren’t gonna give grounded it’s flowers for the same reason (I think) they didn’t give sea of thieves as well. Games fucking amazing and surprisingly terrifying and it ended up being successful. Idk if HI-FI rush can beat it tbh.
James Sawyer Ford
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What exactly do you mean by this?
GOTY in 2022 was mostly Elden Ring, followed by God of War.
I don't think PS was lacking any variety either.
Well it depends on what you mean by unfortunate. I am just speaking the truth that the biggest budget games with the biggest known IPs are the GOTY candidates, generally. New IPs can do it, but they need blockbuster type productions like Elden Ring (which is hard to say is fully a new IP since it's so similar to Souls games).
That's not to say someone's personal GOTY couldn't easily be one of these smaller titles. But if I'm being completely honest, something like Elden Ring or GOWR are going to be way better to me than some cool indie game, despite me REALLY enjoying that cool indie game.
Well TBH Stray was weird. I'm not sure WHY it got that title at the Game Awards. Cool title, but I wouldn't have put it on the list. Maybe 2022 was not as AAA heavy as prior years.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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It's mostly Xbox people, Ambassadors, content creators etc. on Twitter I've seen really pushing the game hard. That's why my comment was focused on them. Steam is its own space, nothing really to do with Xbox or Game Pass. I do think it be a sudden release and having a visual style not commonly seen these days has helped it with the Steam reviews though, even on top of it being a generally fun & solid game.
But when it comes to saying it's a GOTY contender or stuff like that, I feel that's too soon. The game JUST came out. Let's see how well it holds up in repeated playthroughs, what depth the game mechanics have, what secrets can be unlocked or how well it holds up in repeated playthroughs before saying it's a GOTY contender. Or what influence it may have on other games, before saying that. Or even if it'll remain the best-looking game of its visual style by the end of the year, stuff like that.
I'd play it right now myself but I don't want PC Game Pass messing around with my SSD when I would feel like removing the game, and the Steam version has Denuvo. I don't want that on a system. So MS please bring the game to GOG in the near future (or I'll be forced to borrow a family member's Series S).
I actually was really impressed with Hi-Fi Rush's reveal though; if I were as you say I am, I'd be trashing the game. Quite the opposite.
As for Starfield, look that's not the only big space game/RPG coming out this year. I'm not saying it doesn't have mass-market appeal but all the same, we know very little about the story, and it's going to be releasing in the same year as Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom, Final Fantasy XVI, Street Fighter 6, RE4 Remake, Spiderman 2...you catch my drift? How much mass-market appeal does Starfield really have in comparison to THOSE games?
Some people are going to have multiple systems, and prioritize where they spend. Everyone has to budget the amount of time they put to any game. Starfield is not releasing in a vacuum, and then there's the question of what is the wider marketing going to look like. Said it before, if MS/Bethesda were smart they'd do an ad campaign inspired by A Space Odyssey/Interstellar/Arrival or those sorts of hard sci-fi space dramas, maybe get someone like George Clooney to act in them, and have him exploring worlds from Starfield.
But I don't count on MS having that kind of creative eye for marketing or messaging, so they're probably going to have more generic ads and push Game Pass Day 1 super-hard to sell the game.
Punished Miku
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I mean exactly what I said. From what I can tell Xbox gamers on average played a much wider variety of games than PS gamers. Two people in here claimed its a rampant problem that Xbox gamers don't play Hi Fi Rush but its just 1 dumb tweet. My observations were very very clearly the opposite. Some of the GOTY votes on here were embarrassing
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Kvally
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I was just saying that in my opinion, it's unfortunate that it comes down to biggest budgets and blockbuster type productions. I don't think games like Halo or God of War or Elden Ring should be "what we expect to be GOTY" because they are big budgets and popular IPs. I know I am in the minority, and I am fine with that. I am not here to preach what SHOULD be GOTY material. Just voicing my opinion that there are alternatives to what we have now.
remember_spinal
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People aren’t going to say Grounded is a contender for GOTY 2022 because its been out for 3 years
James Sawyer Ford
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Where is your DATA to back up this made up assertion?
I think it just boils down to if you had an Xbox in 2022 you were kind of forced to play less known games that were just not as popular as other games. Not that those less popular games had more variety or anything.
Punished Miku
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Just my observations
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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So you're trying to say GOWR and HFW are the same kind of game? Even though they aren't? Let alone Returnal, R&C Rift Apart, Demon's Souls Remake, Astro's Playroom, Sackboy's Big Adventure, Kena, Sifu, Stray, GT7 etc. These games are apparently all the same? Because there are PS owners who have played all of those games and more. Statistically speaking, given there are more PS owners than Xbox owners, then there should be more PS gamers playing a large variety of games than Xbox owners.
Also, trying out a game in Game Pass and actually playing it (you know, getting in deep with it, completing it, etc.) are two different things.
