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LectureMaster
Gold Member
Looks good! I hope this delivers.
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Will try.
anthony2690
Member
How old is the original? This looks mad janky/clunky, I think the look of the combat really puts me off personally.
Dazraell
Member
23 years
LazyParrot
Member
Be glad you've never played the original then, the combat in that one makes this shit look like Devil May Cry.
Denton
Member
It is an RPG, not character action game, and for 2001 it had great combat. Even the fact that there are different animations based on skill was so impressive. Like when you have no skill, you hold a one-handed sword like a redneck with both hands, but after improving, the holding and posture changes. Then you improve even more and unlock combos, etc.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
It looks pretty good, if the combat and progression feels right then it could easily replace replays/reinstalls of the original for me. And surely they'll move on to 2 if it does well to do the same. I was looking forward to the remasters from Switch going PC but if this is coming soon after I'll wait for it.
Combat looks a lot better and more faithful in spirit to the original than the alpha demo they released some time ago at least.
Combat looks a lot better and more faithful in spirit to the original than the alpha demo they released some time ago at least.
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MujkicHaris
Banned
Gothic I, II and III are in my top 10 RPGs; I want this game to succeed but the trailer looks too good to be true. If it's really like they've presented, this might turn out to be the greatest remake ever made.
I am amazed. Unbelievable how close they stuck to the original visual language, that was quite brutalist in design. I wasn't this hyped for a game in a long time.
I am amazed. Unbelievable how close they stuck to the original visual language, that was quite brutalist in design. I wasn't this hyped for a game in a long time.
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LazyParrot
Member
I love both Gothic 1 and 2, but the combat and controls in those games were always something to be endured rather than enjoyed.
Denton
Member
I disagree, although the default controls are pretty bad. Once I modified them to my liking, I totally enjoyed it.
With the only exception being inventory in G1. That was really dumb. In G2 it was better, but also got unwieldy with more and more items.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Same, but this year is jam packed.
Might end up picking this up spring next year or something.
True, in my situation, I didn't really care for the combat in the original and really feel in love with the world, so the combat for me personally isn't as relevant. I'm ok with a little jank so long as the experience is complete
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
I'm fine with more than a little jank, so long as it feels ok, the alpha demo was just unfun to play. The original has plenty of jank, when you do good in a fight it often feels more like exploiting its ai than playing with intended mechanics, stun locking with the right timing etc., still it was more than the sum of its parts, the jank made it so your stat ups mattered as much as your skill so it remained an RPG and not a pure action game you could get proficient at and with patience beat all the enemies from the start (though I'm sure some folks can maybe do that it's not like that in normal gameplay).
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The Infectious Paradox
Member
This looks sick. I always wanted to play them.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
The animations look very bad in comparison to everything else and it's not good, hopefully they'll improve them before release. Combat was never a strong suit of these games so I won't be playing the game just for that, but it looks like they did make it more varied (if a bit too slow) so that's good.
Yeah, that was laughable to say the least. There's was plenty of games better than the first two Gothic games even in the late 2000s and in 2024... I mean, c'mon
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Denton
Member
Eventhough that line was a bit cringe, most games do not persistently simulate NPC lives at all, even games like Witcher 3 or Cyberpunk, let alone stuff like games by Fromsoft or Ubisoft.
About the only open world games I can think of that do it in meaningful way are RDR2, Kingdom Come Deliverance. To lesser degree Bethesda games and STALKER. (of course there is stuff like Dwarf Fortress but that is its own category)
Gothic was pretty ahead of its time in that regard.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Oh, believe me, I know, I've played it when it was published and released in Russia by 1C and Snowball. I actually have two copies of the first game one of which is sealed
Mister Wolf
Member
Denton
Member
Great comparison, shows well how stellar the remake is. Keeping OG atmosphere while enhancing level of detail tenfold.
ThatPolishGuy
Member
I'm also interested in stealth gameplay and thief mechanics tbh. I wish they would show some of the mechanics sooner rather than later. I'm also curious about lock picking mechanics. Maybe this will scratch my Thief itch.
Lucifers Beard
Member
Wishlisted. I wasn't expecting it to look quite as good as that. I'm sure it will have some jank, but I played through and enjoyed Two Worlds so I'm sure this will be more than fine.
anthony2690
Member
Watched the trailer again but on my TV, and I actually kinda want to give this a try. 
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
Remember folks they fired and closed the actual Gothic developers and just kept their IPs so keep some amount of skepticism as this game isn't made by the original team.
Denton
Member
PB didn't have a lot of people from the original team either. Mike Hoge, Kai Rosenkranz and many other Gothic devs left PB years ago.
This remake actually has Kai onboard, plus it has one lead from Archolos team, plus it has lead writer of Enderal.
Imho this team has a lot more promise than late stage Piranhas had (Elex 2 was terrible).
Humdinger
Gold Member
Sounds interesting. I never played the original Gothic, although I've heard a lot about it. I've played some similar games (e.g., Risen and one of the later Gothics, the one that made it to console, can't recall which). Eurojank RPG with an indefinable charm despite lackluster combat.
I would like a return to old-fashioned style WRPGs. No sign of when it will be released, though, I take it. Certainly not this year.
I would like a return to old-fashioned style WRPGs. No sign of when it will be released, though, I take it. Certainly not this year.
Denton
Member
No Gothic had console version afaik. Risen and Elex did.
Humdinger
Gold Member
Ok, I must be misremembering.
There was the abomination that is Arcania, which had Gothic in its title, which made it the fourth game in the series. Gothic was later removed from the title, and rightly so.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Arcania: Gothic 4 was multiplatform. No clue how the game was at all though, never played it since it just had the name and nothing else of the series.
Poordevil
Member
I am kind if an outlier as far as the Gothic games go. Gothic III was my introduction to the series. I never played the first Gothic. I played Gothic II but didn't enjoy it as much as Gothic III. Gothic III was awesome! My all time favorite open world action RPG. Had way more to offer me than any Elder Scrolls game. Wasn't perfect. Had to grow comfortable with clunky melee combat.
So this remake perks my interest. Pretty sure I will give it a go. Especially since I have never played Gothic I.
So this remake perks my interest. Pretty sure I will give it a go. Especially since I have never played Gothic I.
Denton
Member
Oh right, I forgot about that. It was made by different studio. I actually did play it and finish it. It was pretty bad, but the graphics and world was nice, so I did find some mild enjoyment in it.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
I liked the first Risen, they almost got it all right, fixing everything wrong with Gothic 3 even and with a fresh start, but not since then imo (well I mostly didn't like the themes they went for after it but the games didn't keep me as engaged either).
amigastar
Member
Yeah, first Risen was awesome as well, after that Risen 2 was weak, never really played Risen 3 for very long.
Poordevil
Member
The graphics and art style are not bad. They're dated but not sloppy or ugly. What needs improvement the most is the characters motion quality and animation. The better they do with that the more they will bring this game to life!
Hemingwayoffbase
Member
This game has me interested, but some people are talking about the original like it’s the best game ever.
Can someone tell me why the first one is so well loved? What’s the big deal?
Can someone tell me why the first one is so well loved? What’s the big deal?