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Gymnastics at the Olympics / Worlds |OT| Artistic, Rhythmic, & Trampoline

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dmann

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Wafflecakes said:
It is actually really hard to find a set of two gymnasts who happen to specialize in two different events.

More likely it will end up being 3 all arounders and 1 specialist in whatever the country is weak at.
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True, but the specialists will only compete on the individual event that they qualify for. The team event will comprise of the four all-arounders.
 
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Wafflecakes

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dmann said:
True, but the specialists will only compete on the individual event that they qualify for. The team event will comprise of the four all-arounders.
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I am only talking about team event.

Only 3 compete on each apparatus, which leaves a clear opening for 1 specialist in the team final... unless there is a new rule preventing that.
 
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Faddy

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Wafflecakes said:
It is actually really hard to find a set of two gymnasts who happen to specialize in two different events.

More likely it will end up being 3 all arounders and 1 specialist in whatever the country is weak at.
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Especially in the women's competition. Only the bars could be considered a specialised discipline. Everything else is tumbling in a various guises.
 
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Yiazmat

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Wafflecakes said:
I am only talking about team event.

Only 3 compete on each apparatus, which leaves a clear opening for 1 specialist in the team final... unless there is a new rule preventing that.
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But that would mean that in qualifications they would only use 3 gymnasts in most of the events, so if someone had a disastrous routine they would have to count that score.

RoodyPooUS said:
Does the alternate have to be one of the specialists or is that another slot?
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No, the alternates don't count as part of the team.
 
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Wafflecakes

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Yiazmat said:
But that would mean that in qualifications they would only use 3 gymnasts in most of the events, so if someone had a disastrous routine they would have to count that score.
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Specialists still can compete the other events in case of a disaster, but they would only be used on the one in the final.
 
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Yiazmat

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Btw here's a Q&A on the FIG site explaining the 2020 qualification system:

http://www.fig-gymnastics.com/site/figNews/view?id=1151

some bits:

Q: The FIG has announced that it will be reducing team sizes at the Olympic Games from five gymnasts to four gymnasts. Does the FIG really want fewer gymnasts competing at the Games?

At present, only five gymnasts per country can compete at the Olympics. Beginning in 2020, up to six gymnasts per country can qualify to compete at the Olympic Games. Since six is greater than five, the new system actually creates opportunity for gymnasts from deep countries who might not be selected for a five-person Olympic team.
Yes, the team competition will be limited to four gymnasts per country, and the other gymnasts who qualify will perform in qualifications trying to reach the All-around and/or event finals. But again, more gymnasts from countries with the deepest teams -- gymnasts who are very deserving of participating in the Olympic Games -- will be able to compete under the new system, not less.

Q: So even if there are six gymnasts at the Olympic Games for the strongest countries, only four will compete in the team competition. That's not fair to the other two gymnasts from that country, is it?

A: Without a doubt, all gymnasts would like to represent their countries in a team competition at the Olympic Games. However, it is sometimes the case that an Olympic-caliber gymnast with the potential to make finals and win medals is not selected for his or her team, for one reason or another. That gymnast doesn't get to compete at the Olympics at all. That’s not fair either. Under the new system, those gymnasts will still have a path to qualify to compete at the Olympic Games, to have the wonderful Olympic experience and to proudly represent their countries.

Q: Doesn't reducing the Olympic team to four people force all four to be strong All-around gymnasts? Isn't that unfair to the specialists?

A: Historically in Artistic Gymnastics most gymnasts are All-arounders, and it's only in the past 10 years or so that we've seen the rise of the specialist, where some gymnasts stop training all events. Some have even complained about the decline of the All-around gymnast as specialists became more prominent. Because of the evolving format of team competitions, specializing suddenly made sense where it hadn’t before.
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Faddy

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Wafflecakes said:
Gotta love their response to the question on fairness to specialists. It was essentially:

"Wut is a specialist? They shouldn't exist. Fuck them..."
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Not really. The change is pro specialist. If you are a specialist on only one piece you may not make the Final Five if you can only contribute a small amount to the team.

This way countries will have two spaces reserved for specialists to win individual medals.
 
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Wafflecakes

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Faddy said:
Not really. The change is pro specialist. If you are a specialist on only one piece you may not make the Final Five if you can only contribute a small amount to the team.

This way countries will have two spaces reserved for specialists to win individual medals.
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Did they specify that every country gets 2 spots for specialists? Or just that they might be able to get them.
 
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The US women are gymnastics gold champions again! If Simone Biles wins the Women All Around she will be the most dominant gymnast of all time. Already the most decorated American gymnast. Probably will never top Nadia Comaneci's perfect 10's, but so much for black gymnasts not being good enough eh? First Gabby Douglas in 2012 and almost certainly Simone Biles in 2016. Posting this from the other thread as well.
 
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giga

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Madness said:
The US women are gymnastics gold champions again! If Simone Biles wins the Women All Around she will be the most dominant gymnast of all time. Already the most decorated American gymnast. Probably will never top Nadia Comaneci's perfect 10's, but so much for black gymnasts not being good enough eh? First Gabby Douglas in 2012 and almost certainly Simone Biles in 2016. Posting this from the other thread as well.
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Wtf spoilers. They just finished the first rotation.
 
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Mumei

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Madness said:
The US women are gymnastics gold champions again! If Simone Biles wins the Women All Around she will be the most dominant gymnast of all time. Already the most decorated American gymnast. Probably will never top Nadia Comaneci's perfect 10's, but so much for black gymnasts not being good enough eh? First Gabby Douglas in 2012 and almost certainly Simone Biles in 2016. Posting this from the other thread as well.
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Kohei?
 
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Wafflecakes

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I am low key hoping for Aly Raisman to pull off the all around upset.

Would be a great story after her disappointment in London.



Not going to complain one bit if Simone wins though. She slays.
 
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Lothar

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I want the 41 year old to get a medal more than I want anything to happen this Olympics. More than I want anybody from the US to win. Apparently she's doing something called the Vault of Death. Which even Simone Biles says she's not crazy enough to attempt.

"When asked recently by The New Yorker if she would ever attempt the vault, Biles responded flatly, "I'm not trying to die."

http://www.espn.com/espnw/sports/ar...-chusovitina-most-incredible-athlete-olympics

There's also a good article today on daily mail about her. Ctrl-f Oksana there. I don't think it can be linked.
 
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Yiazmat

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Wafflecakes said:
I am low key hoping for Aly Raisman to pull off the all around upset.

Would be a great story after her disappointment in London.

Not going to complain one bit if Simone wins though. She slays.
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I not really much of an Aly fan (mostly because of her bad form). So I'm here for that Mustafina silver and Eythora bronze. I know it won't happen but one can dream.

Lothar said:
I want the 41 year old to get a medal more than I want anything to happen this Olympics. More than I want anybody from the US to win. Apparently she's doing something called the Vault of Death. Which even Simone Biles says she's not crazy enough to attempt.

"When asked recently by The New Yorker if she would ever attempt the vault, Biles responded flatly, "I'm not trying to die."

http://www.espn.com/espnw/sports/ar...-chusovitina-most-incredible-athlete-olympics

There's also a good article today on daily mail about her. Ctrl-f Oksana there. I don't think it can be linked.
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Yes Chuso is great! But her getting a medal is a long shot, if she does her normal vaults like in qualifications then at least 2 people would need to fall for her to medal.

And if she does the Produnova she would need to actually land it the way it should be. (which she has never done in competition)
 
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Lothar

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She's said she will be doing the produnova. (Vault of Death should be the official name) Those two she did in qualifying were just her taking it easy.
 
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Yiazmat

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I love this btw

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Lothar said:
She's said she will be doing the produnova. (Vault of Death should be the official name) Those two she did in qualifying were just her taking it easy.
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Well if she can land it like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UZBM1wgfRA

Then she would definitely be on the hunt.

But this is how she was doing it at last year's Worlds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVfdMKbEWLY
 
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Fuu

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Men's Individual All-Around in a few minutes.

Mariano and Sasaki. ♥︎ Hope they do well.
 
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Yiazmat

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Men's All Around Final

- Livestreams:

NBC (commentary from Jonathan Horton, Courtney Kupets and Jim Watson):

http://stream.nbcolympics.com/mens-gymnastics-all-around-final

BBC (commentary from Christine Still and Craig Heap):

http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/olympics/36687670


NBC Individual Apparatus Stream: (no commentary)

Floor - http://stream.nbcolympics.com/mens-gymnastics-all-around-final-floor
Pommel - http://stream.nbcolympics.com/mens-gymnastics-all-around-final-pommel-horse
Rings - http://stream.nbcolympics.com/mens-gymnastics-all-around-final-still-rings
Vault - http://stream.nbcolympics.com/mens-gymnastics-all-around-final-vault
P Bars - http://stream.nbcolympics.com/mens-gymnastics-all-around-final-parallel-bars
H Bar - http://stream.nbcolympics.com/mens-gymnastics-all-around-final-horizontal-bar


- Live Scoring: (on the result tab)

https://www.rio2016.com/en/artistic-gymnastics-mens-individual-all-around-final


Start List (in case anyone wants to follow a specific gymnast using the individual apparatus streams)

Rotation 1

Floor Exercise: 1. Nile WILSON (GBR) 2. Shudi DENG (CHN) 3. David BELYAVSKIY (RUS) 4. Kohei UCHIMURA (JPN) 5. Oleg VERNIAIEV (UKR) 6. Ryohei KATO (JPN)

Pommel Horse: 1. Arthur MARIANO (BRA) 2. Chaopan LIN (CHN) 3. Nikolai KUKSENKOV (RUS) 4. Sergio SASAKI (BRA) 5. Samuel MIKULAK (USA) 6. Max WHITLOCK (GBR)

Rings: 1. Christopher BROOKS (USA) 2. Andrey LIKHOVITSKIY (BLR) 3. Manrique LARDUET (CUB) 4. Bart DEURLOO (NED) 5. Jossimar Orlando CALVO MORENO (COL) 6. Oleg STEPKO (AZE)

Vault: 1. Eddy YUSOF (SUI) 2. Andreas BRETSCHNEIDER (GER) 3. Axel AUGIS (FRA) 4. Marcel NGUYEN (GER) 5. Pablo BRAEGGER (SUI) 6. Marios GEORGIOU (CYP)

Rotation 2

Pommel Horse: 1. Shudi DENG (CHN) 2. David BELYAVSKIY (RUS) 3. Kohei UCHIMURA (JPN) 4. Oleg VERNIAIEV (UKR) 5. Ryohei KATO 6. Nile WILSON (GBR)

Rings: 1. Chaopan LIN (CHN) 2. Nikolai KUKSENKOV (RUS) 3. Sergio SASAKI (BRA) 4. Samuel MIKULAK (USA) 5. Max WHITLOCK (GBR) 6. Arthur MARIANO (BRA)

Vault: 1. Andrey LIKHOVITSKIY (BLR) 2. Manrique LARDUET (CUB) 3. Bart DEURLOO (NED) 4. Jossimar Orlando CALVO MORENO (COL) 5. Oleg STEPKO (AZE) 6. Christopher Brooks (USA)

Parallel Bars: 1. Andreas BRETSCHNEIDER (GER) 2. Axel AUGIS (FRA) 3. Marcel NGUYEN (GER) 4. Pablo BRAEGGER (SUI) 5. Marios GEORGIOU (CYP) 6. Eddy YUSOF (SUI)

Rotation 3

Rings: 1 David BELYAVSKIY (RUS) 2. Kohei UCHIMURA (JPN) 3. Oleg VERNIAIEV (UKR) 4. Ryohei KATO (JPN) 5. Nile WILSON (GBR) 6. Shudi DENG (CHN)

Vault: 1. Nikolai KUKSENKOV (RUS) 2. Sergio SASAKI (BRA) 3. Samuel MIKULAK (USA) 4. Max WHITLOCK (GBR) 5. Arthur MARIANO (BRA) 6. Chaopan LIN (CHN)

Parallel Bars: 1. Manrique LARDUET (CUB) 2. Bart DEURLOO (NED) 3. Jossimar Orlando CALVO MORENO (COL) 4. Oleg STEPKO (AZE) 5. Christpoher BROOKS (USA) 6. Andrey LIKOVISTKIY (BLR)

Horizontal Bar: 1. Axel Augis (FRA) 2. Marcel NGUYEN (GER) 3. Pablo BRAEGGER (SUI) 4. Marios GEORGIOU (CYP) 5. Eddy YUSOF (SUI) 6. Andreas BRETSCHNEIDER (GER)

Rotation 4

Vault : 1. Kohei UCHIMURA (JPN) 2. Oleg VERNIAIEV (UKR) 3. Ryohei KATO (JPN) 4. Nile WILSON (GBR) 5. Shudi DENG (CHN) 6. David BELYAVSKIY (RUS)

Parallel Bars: 1. Sergio SASAKI (BRA) 2. Samuel MIKULAK (USA) 3. Max WHITLOCK (GBR) 4. Arthur MARIANO (BRA) 5. Chaopan LIN (CHN) 6. Nikolai KUKSENKOV (RUS)

Horizontal Bar: 1. Bart DEURLOO (NED) 2. Jossimar Orlando CALVO MORENO (COL) 3. Oleg STEPKO (AZE) 4. Christopher BROOKS (USA) 5. Andrey LIKHOVISTKIY (BLR) 6. Manrique LARDUET (CUB)

Floor Exercise: 1. Marcel NGUYEN (GER) 2. Pablo BRAEGGER (SUI) 3. Marios GEORGIOU (CYP) 4. Eddy YUSOF (SUI) 5. Andreas BRETSCHNEIDER (GER) 6. Axel AUGIS (FRA)

Rotation 5

Parallel Bars: 1. Oleg VERNIAIEV (UKR) 2. Ryohei KATO (JPN) 3. Nile WILSON (GBR) 4. Shudi DENG (CHN) 5. David BELYAVSKIY (RUS) 6. Kohei UCHIMURA

Horizontal Bar: 1. Samuel MIKULAK (USA) 2. Max WHITLOCK (GBR) 3. Arthur MARIANO (BRA) 4. Chaopan LIN (CHN) 5. Nikolai KUKSENKOV (RUS) 6. Sergio SASAKI

Floor Exercise: 1. Jossimar Orlando CALVO MORENO (COL) 2. Oleg STEPKO (AZE) 3. Christopher BROOKS (USA) 4. Andrey LIKHOVISTKIY (BLR) 5. Manrique LARDUET (CUB) 6. Bart DEURLOO (NED)

Pommel Horse: 1. Pablo BRAEGGER (SUI) 2. Marios GEORGIOU (CYP) 3. Eddy YUSOF (SUI) 4. Andreas BRETSCHNEIDER (GER) 5. Axel AUGIS (FRA) 6. Marcel NGUYEN (GER)

Rotation 6

Horizontal Bar: 1. Ryohei KATO (JPN) 2. Nile WILSON (GBR) 3. Shudi DENG (CHN) 4. David BELYAVSKIY (RUS) 5. Kohei UCHIMURA (JPN) 6. Oleg VERNIAIEV (UKR)

Floor Exercise: 1. Max WHITLOCK (GBR) 2. Arthur MARIANO (BRA) 3. Chaopan LIN (CHN) 4. Nikolai KUKSENKOV (RUS) 5. Sergio SASAKI (BRA) 6. Samuel MIKULAK (USA)

Pommel Horse: 1. Oleg STEPKO (AZE) 2. Christopher BROOKS (USA) 3. Andrey LIKHOVITSKIY (BLR) 4. Manrique LARDEUT (CUB) 5. Bart DEURLOO (NED) 6. Jossimar Orlando CALVO MORENO (COL)

Rings: 1. Marios GEORGIOU (CYP) 2. Eddy YUSOF (SUI) 3. Andreas BRETSCHNEIDER (GER) 4. Axel AUGIS (FRA) 5. Marcel NGUYEN (GER) 6. Pablo BRAEGGER (SUI)
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sangreal

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I found this article on the US tv/streamiing coverage pretty interesting: http://www.newyorker.com/news/sporting-scene/how-to-really-watch-olympic-gymnastics

is there another english speaking country I can watch for more in-depth coverage on the actual scoring, etc. w/ a vpn?

Ask Madeleine what she looks for when watching gymnastics, and she will likely say that the worst thing a competitor can do is not stick a landing, which is often as specific as NBC gets in identifying anything wrong with a routine. It might interest her to learn that a tiny hop is far less harmful to a gymnast’s score than spinning through the air with her legs crossed (“helicopter legs,” in the vernacular) or spread wide apart (“cowboying”).
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I'm definitely Madeleine in this paragraph
 
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we back!

and congrats to Sasaki today. best individual result by a Brazilian in the history of artistic gymnastics at the olympics.
 
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Wafflecakes

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Yeah. A mod messaged me and told me that the user wasn't just banned... their account was deleted. Hence the problem.

Glad it is back!
 
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Yiazmat

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sangreal said:
I found this article on the US tv/streamiing coverage pretty interesting: http://www.newyorker.com/news/sporting-scene/how-to-really-watch-olympic-gymnastics

is there another english speaking country I can watch for more in-depth coverage on the actual scoring, etc. w/ a vpn?

I'm definitely Madeleine in this paragraph
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Yeah I don't think there's any tv coverage that is able to explain things in-depth, mostly because there's so many things going on at the same time and gymnastics has a lot of rules and little details that there's barely any time to actually analize a routine.

But I'll agree that the NBC TV commentators are the absolute worst lol. People seem to like the BBC ones though. But even with commentary most people would need to have some knowledge of the sport to truly understand everything that's going on.

So I'll recommend these articles from TheGymternet that explain everything there is to know about the women's events:

Vault: https://thegymter.net/2016/07/29/the-four-year-fan-guide-vault/
Bars: https://thegymter.net/2016/08/01/the-four-year-fan-guide-bars/
Beam: https://thegymter.net/2016/08/06/the-four-year-fan-guide-beam/
(they haven't posted the Floor article yet)

And a lot of that can be applied to the men's events too. Vault is the exact same thing for the men, and most of the uneven bars deductions work the same way on high bar.
 
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