Hamid Karzai's brother assassinated

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The half-brother of Afghan President Hamid Karzai has been assassinated in Kandahar, officials say.

Ahmad Wali Karzai, a leading power broker in the country's south, was shot dead at his home in a blow to Nato's battle against the Taliban in the area.

He was shot twice by his long-time head of security Sardar Mohammed, who was himself killed almost immediately.

The Taliban said they carried out the attack, calling it one of their top achievements in 10 years of war.

Sardar Mohammed's motives remain unclear, but the killing will raise questions about securing Afghanistan's top officials.
Previous assassination attempts

Ahmad Wali Karzai's killing is the latest and most high-profile in a series of assassinations of senior politicians and security commanders across the country.
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It is hard to overstate how important he was in the south of Afghanistan and in Nato's efforts to combat the Taliban in their stronghold there, adds our correspondent.

The Commander of the International Security Assistance Force, US General David Petraeus, condemned the assassination, and said ISAF would work with the Afghan government to bring anyone involved to justice.

"President Karzai is working to create a stronger, more secure Afghanistan, and for such a tragic event to happen to someone within his own family is unfathomable," said Gen Pertraeus.

Ahmad Wali Karzai had survived attempts on his life before, most recently in a rocket and machine gun attack in 2009 as his convoy was travelling towards Kabul.

The previous year, he was chairing a meeting in a government building when a bomb-filled fuel tanker exploded close by.

Although Mr Karzai escaped unhurt, six people were killed and 40 wounded in the blast.

He and other officials blamed Taliban militants for the bombing.

In 2003, Mr Karzai's house in Kandahar city was hit by an explosion which he said was caused accidentally when some weapons were being moved.
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The Taliban are still striking at will after ten years of war. Wonder how long before Mr Karzai himself gets taken out. You have to wonder how peace will come to Afghanistan when NATO and US forces are deciding to pull out yet violence is continuing unabated.
 
razorman said:
You have to wonder how peace will come to Afghanistan when NATO and US forces are deciding to pull out yet violence is continuing unabated.
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Peace may come to Afghanistan sometime after NATO and US forces pull out.

Peace will never come to Afghanistan so long as NATO and US forces remain.
 
If you can't trust your head of security, who can you trust. Anyone close to you with a weapon could assassinate you anytime.
 
Sage00 said:
Peace may come to Afghanistan sometime after NATO and US forces pull out.

Peace will never come to Afghanistan so long as NATO and US forces remain.
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You might want to flip that around. Afghanistan left to itself means it will remain fragmented forever and a haven for all kinds of destablizing influences.

If you think about it, large parts of Afghanistan are at a point in civilization from before the date the United States were created. They need help from benevolent foreigners or they will just remain locked in wars between different warlords forever.
 
I honestly don't see how they have any hope whether or not the US stays. It's not a slight or insult against the Afghan people, I really just don't see any scenario where it turns it well for them...

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His "long-time head of security"? well damn.

knitoe said:
If you can't trust your head of security, who can you trust. Anyone close to you with a weapon could assassinate you anytime.
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First thing I thought of.
 
Sage00 said:
Peace may come to Afghanistan sometime after NATO and US forces pull out.

Peace will never come to Afghanistan so long as NATO and US forces remain.
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Peace will never come period. They can use NATO and US's presence as an excuse all they want, just like in Iraq, but they're enjoying their wars.

The Taliban will fight to take over again, and if they do, is that really peace?
 
Just another example of how little respect, honor and reliability the Afghani people posses.

... and how much money have we sunk into this ungrateful, hate filled people?
 
Casp0r said:
Just another example of how little respect, honor and reliability the Afghani people posses.

... and how much money have we sunk into this ungrateful, hate filled people?
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You really are a prize jerk.
 
Sage00 said:
Peace may come to Afghanistan sometime after NATO and US forces pull out.

Peace will never come to Afghanistan so long as NATO and US forces remain.
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Afghanistan hasn't seen peace in what, 35 years? It's definitely not going to see it once we pull out of there.
 
Casp0r said:
Just another example of how little respect, honor and reliability the Afghani people posses.

... and how much money have we sunk into this ungrateful, hate filled people?
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you some sort of racism troll?

and Afghani is the name of a currency. The citizens are called Afghans.
 
Casp0r said:
Just another example of how little respect, honor and reliability the Afghani people posses.

... and how much money have we sunk into this ungrateful, hate filled people?
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Holy shit, it's hilarious how you make Americans (I assume you are one) sound like ungrateful, hate filled people.
 
Casp0r said:
Just another example of how little respect, honor and reliability the Afghani people posses.

... and how much money have we sunk into this ungrateful, hate filled people?
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Why can't they be more thankful for 10 years of constant warfare?
 
Casp0r said:
Just another example of how little respect, honor and reliability the Afghani people posses.

... and how much money have we sunk into this ungrateful, hate filled people?
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Account suicide or tag fish?
 
Casp0r said:
Just another example of how little respect, honor and reliability the Afghani people posses.

... and how much money have we sunk into this ungrateful, hate filled people?
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Have you met these people your judging here? A few news clippings and wikipedia is enough these days huh? Id like to see your temperament after 35 years of constant war. A war older than the majority of GAFFERS. The mind of Caspor.
 
Wotan131 said:
You might want to flip that around. Afghanistan left to itself means it will remain fragmented forever and a haven for all kinds of destablizing influences.

If you think about it, large parts of Afghanistan are at a point in civilization from before the date the United States were created. They need help from benevolent foreigners or they will just remain locked in wars between different warlords forever.
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Europeans should just conquer the place for the betterment of the land.


OnPoint said:
Account suicide or tag fish?
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It's Casp0r.
 
Prine said:
Have you met these people your judging here? A few news clippings and wikipedia is enough these days huh? Id like to see your temperament after 35 years of constant war. A war older than the majority of GAFFERS. The mind of Caspor.
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You can call me an asshole.

However I've read too many stories of afghan (thanks for the correction) recruits turning round and shooting my countries soldiers in the back. Good soldiers who have put their lives on the line to help their country, to train them to look after it.

I'm tired of hearing about insane corruption within the government. I'm tired of hearing about the billions we're sinking into this country filtering out and ending up in the hands of Taliban soldiers. I'm tired of hearing about my countires men and women getting mutilated, murdered and mentally destroyed by constant suicide bombings, IED and turncoats.

Just look at who killed this guy in the OP ... his 'long-time head of security Sardar Mohammed' ... what the fuck?

What does that say about this countries honor. The talibans top target shot by his own god damn guard. How can you expect new soldiers to have any form of integrity when their countries very best lack any themselves. It's sick, it's cowardice and it's the behavior of savages. I don't want my countries brave, insanely hardworking men dying for these people.

I recommend everyone here watch the documentary Camp Victory, Afghanistan. A truly touching story about one of the few uncorrupted and genuinely good guys out there ... who is surrounded by incompetence, lier's, backstabber's and genuinely two faced soldiers.

You can believe differently, however a regional stability requires the population have at least some respect for morality. Something the whole of Afghanistan seriously lacks. It's not their fault, however it shouldn't be our problem. They have only known war and that has twisted and wreaked them. There is nothing we can do to help the complete lack of integrity in that region other than isolate and let it die out naturally.

There are of course good afghan's, that documentary follows one of them, however if they're not already dead, they will no doubt will be soon.
 
Casp0r said:
You can call me an asshole.

However I've read too many stories of afghan (thanks for the correction) recruits turning round and shooting my countries soldiers in the back. Good soldiers who have put their lives on the line to help their country, to train them to look after it.

I'm tired of hearing about insane corruption within the government. I'm tired of hearing about the billions we're sinking into this country filtering out and ending up in the hands of Taliban soldiers. I'm tired of hearing about my countires men and women getting mutilated, murdered and mentally destroyed by constant suicide bombings, IED and turncoats.

Just look at who killed this guy in the OP ... his 'long-time head of security Sardar Mohammed' ... what the fuck?

What does that say about this countries honor. The talibans top target shot by his own god damn guard. How can you expect new soldiers to have any form of integrity when their countries very best lack any themselves. It's sick, it's cowardice and it's the behavior of savages. I don't want my countries brave, insanely hardworking men dying for these people.

I recommend everyone here watch the documentary Camp Victory, Afghanistan. A truly touching story about one of the few uncorrupted and genuinely good guys out there ... who is surrounded by incompetence, lier's, backstabber's and genuinely two faced soldiers.

You can believe differently, however a regional stability requires the population have at least some respect for morality. Something the whole of Afghanistan seriously lacks. It's not their fault, however it shouldn't be our problem. They have only known war and that has twisted and wreaked them. There is nothing we can do to help the complete lack of integrity in that region other than isolate and let it die out naturally.

There are of course good afghan's, that documentary follows one of them, however if they're not already dead, they will no doubt will be soon.
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The people of Afghanistan are born into war, our soldiers sign up for it. One lives it without knowing an end, the other comes back to peace and comfort. Theres a massive difference .

Innocent Afghan are dying by the hands of both Talib and Nato, i dont think trust in us is realistic option at the moment and to expect resistance. 10 years of war and Afghans are worse off then ever, under the Taliban, while harsh, they were living under some form of order. To expect them to be grateful when there's so little to be thankful for is naive on your part. They've been caught up in powerstruggle for decades, i dont think any of us have any notion what they're going through, or who is noble and who isnt, given the lies they've been told by everyone who claims to protect them.
 
Casp0r said:
You can call me an asshole.

However I've read too many stories of afghan (thanks for the correction) recruits turning round and shooting my countries soldiers in the back. Good soldiers who have put their lives on the line to help their country, to train them to look after it.

I'm tired of hearing about insane corruption within the government. I'm tired of hearing about the billions we're sinking into this country filtering out and ending up in the hands of Taliban soldiers. I'm tired of hearing about my countires men and women getting mutilated, murdered and mentally destroyed by constant suicide bombings, IED and turncoats.

Just look at who killed this guy in the OP ... his 'long-time head of security Sardar Mohammed' ... what the fuck?

What does that say about this countries honor. The talibans top target shot by his own god damn guard. How can you expect new soldiers to have any form of integrity when their countries very best lack any themselves. It's sick, it's cowardice and it's the behavior of savages. I don't want my countries brave, insanely hardworking men dying for these people.

I recommend everyone here watch the documentary Camp Victory, Afghanistan. A truly touching story about one of the few uncorrupted and genuinely good guys out there ... who is surrounded by incompetence, lier's, backstabber's and genuinely two faced soldiers.

You can believe differently, however a regional stability requires the population have at least some respect for morality. Something the whole of Afghanistan seriously lacks. It's not their fault, however it shouldn't be our problem. They have only known war and that has twisted and wreaked them. There is nothing we can do to help the complete lack of integrity in that region other than isolate and let it die out naturally.

There are of course good afghan's, that documentary follows one of them, however if they're not already dead, they will no doubt will be soon.
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Okay.
 
Casp0r said:
.. However I've read too many stories of afghan (thanks for the correction) recruits turning round and shooting my countries soldiers in the back. Good soldiers who have put their lives on the line to help their country, to train them to look after it.

[snip]

I recommend everyone here watch the documentary Camp Victory, Afghanistan. A truly touching story about one of the few uncorrupted and genuinely good guys out there ... who is surrounded by incompetence, lier's, backstabber's and genuinely two faced soldiers.

There are of course good afghan's, that documentary follows one of them, however if they're not already dead, they will no doubt will be soon.
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I get where you're coming from. I don't agree, but I understand.

Isn't your perspective skewed by sheer volume? You admit that you've read too many negative stories about Afghans, except for the documentary about the good ones. That's the 'problem' with good people - you need to spend time with them to get 'the story', to sell their quality. Bad news writes itself and is an easy sell. This policeman shot and killed the soldiers training him, what a piece of trash. Easy, no depth required.

Afghanistan is riddled with problems - we all know this. Most of them go back hundreds of years. We don't need to add to them by extrapolating the behavior of a few, to the entire country.
 
What are the chances for nuclear war or a firearms ban? I know atomic bombs are savage yet if the fucking Japanese Empire surrendered only shortly after the bombings (and constrained supplies), why can't the same apply to the drug lords and Taliban?

Does USA/NATO want peace or a profitable war for the contractors? That's the question the world wants to find out.
 
Matt_C said:
What are the chances for nuclear war or a firearms ban? I know atomic bombs are savage yet if the fucking Japanese Empire surrendered only shortly after the bombings (and constrained supplies), why can't the same apply to the drug lords and Taliban?

Does USA/NATO want peace or a profitable war for the contractors? That's the question the world wants to find out.
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Are you asking why America hasn't nuked Afghanistan?
 
Matt_C said:
What are the chances for nuclear war or a firearms ban? I know atomic bombs are savage yet if the fucking Japanese Empire surrendered only shortly after the bombings (and constrained supplies), why can't the same apply to the drug lords and Taliban?

Does USA/NATO want peace or a profitable war for the contractors? That's the question the world wants to find out.
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What the fuck is going on here?!
 
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Salvor.Hardin said:
Are you asking why America hasn't nuked Afghanistan?
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Yes, I am. I am sure that would require much more diplomocy and vis a vis for China and Russia. The Russians hate Sunni Islamists and Bejing hates the opium trade. Even though it is unrealistic but wouldn't those two governments benefit from a pacified/neutered Afghanistan?

As long as it doesn't reach the Pakistan border, China would pressure Pakistan to restrain itself.
 
CHEEZMO™ said:
And where do you propose these nuclear weapons be used?
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I am not sure but a Taliban stronghold or Opium fields I guess or an equivient weapon that wouldn't ruin the soil. I know nuclear weapons are barbaric and would slaughter thousands of civilians but something needs to be done to discourage the continued violence in the region.

Shame Celestial Being only exists in Gundam 00.
 
Matt_C said:
I am not sure but a Taliban stronghold or Opium fields I guess or an equivient weapon that wouldn't ruin the soil. I know nuclear weapons are barbaric and would slaughter thousands of civilians but something needs to be done to discourage the continued violence in the region.

Shame Celestial Being only exists in Gundam 00.
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u dum
 
I admit the thought of nuclear weapons would be a horrible idea, ruin the ecosystem of Afghanistan, and I am glad I do not have the power to make this decision.

What could be the alternative for an unconditional surrender for Taliban and drug traffickers?
 
Casp0r and Matt_C really taking this thread to new places.

That's pretty scary news too, the guy couldn't trust his head of security. Fuck terrorism.
 
Wotan131 said:
You might want to flip that around. Afghanistan left to itself means it will remain fragmented forever and a haven for all kinds of destablizing influences.

If you think about it, large parts of Afghanistan are at a point in civilization from before the date the United States were created. They need help from benevolent foreigners or they will just remain locked in wars between different warlords forever.
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The culture in Afghanistan, as it is now, cannot sustain peace. Propping up the country financially just continues to extend any real progress.
 
When the US goes away too late it'll be The Fall of Saigon all over again. They certainly don't want footage like that to be broadcasted over the world so the US will be long gone before Karzai and his crooks are thrown out the window.
 
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