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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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After delay, Fox's 'From Hell' is back on the menu for the blu-boys 
...March 13th
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s..._Brings_From_Hell_Back_From_Blu-ray_Limbo/487
...March 13thhttp://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s..._Brings_From_Hell_Back_From_Blu-ray_Limbo/487
I remember one of the touted features of the next-gen disc formats was being able to have entire seasons of TV shows on a single disc. Has this come to fruition in either of the formats? And I am assuming they would only be in 480p (disappointing, but having a whole season on one disc is mighty handy).
Anyone have any information or heard anything regarding this?
Anyone have any information or heard anything regarding this?
DarkJediKnight
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madmook said:
That will never happen! Whoever said that was a moron. The picture quality would be horrible unless they use 720p transfers. Using the 50gb disc, they can definately cut down on discs, but no one in their right mind is going to pay $59.99 for a single disc. The perceived value just isn't there.
The ultimate avengers collection is on a single 50gb disc.
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madmook said:
Kleegamefan
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Naked Snake said:
The maximum data bandwidth for the DVD Movie format is 9.6Megabits per/sec(Video+Audio+Data)...
HD-DVD has a 36.55 Megabit per/sec limit...the absolute ceiling for video on HD-DVD is 29.4 Megabits/sec....no more than this is allowed in the current HD-DVD spec......what this means is if you use the maximum video bandwidth allowed for HD-DVD, only 7.15 Mbit/sec is left for audio/data, meaning you only have enough bandwidth left over for Dolby Digital Plus (6.144 Mbit/sec), but not dts-HD Master audio lossless or Dolby TrueHD lossless audio (both have 18Mbit/sec max bandwidth)
Blu-ray, OTOH, has a 54 Megabit/sec maximum data rate and you can use a full 40 Megabit/sec for video alone!!
D)....more than what HD-DVD allows for Video+Audio+Data!!!Also note that if you used 30Mbit/sec for video on Blu-ray (exceeding the HD-DVD Video max by .6 Mbit/sec) you would also have enough bandwidth left over for 7.1 channels of max rate Dolby TrueHD, dts-HD Master Audio Lossless or uncompressed 7.1ch LPCM audio PLUS you would still have another 6 Mbit/sec bandwidth to spare!!!!
In other words, Blu Ray for the win
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
300 on blu-ray FTW.
Kleegamefan
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mckmas8808 said:
Some early details on the BR release:
http://blog.wired.com/wiredphotos45/2007/02/match_game_300.html
At any rate, Warner is releasing 300 so I am sure it will be on HD-DVD too......though it is very intresting wired magazine is only hyping up the Blu-ray version at this point *shrugs*
What I am REALLY intrested it, is if Warner is going to screw Blu-ray buyers with an inferior Dolby Digital soundtrack (compared to the Dolby TrueHD HD-DVD version)
OR
Perhaps their newest Blu-ray release of "The Departed" will signal a change for the better (Uncompressed LPCM audio)
Aussies get Casino Royale too!!! ......the first 20,000 PS3
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6166227.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;3
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6166227.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;3
Kleegamefan
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Petrarca said:
With 50GB+ the AVC codec, Casino Royale should be a reference title for Blu-ray......and it seems Sony is positioning it as such.....
DarkJediKnight
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Kleegamefan said:The maximum data bandwidth for the DVD Movie format is 9.6Megabits per/sec(Video+Audio+Data)...
HD-DVD has a 36.55 Megabit per/sec limit...the absolute ceiling for video on HD-DVD is 29.4 Megabits/sec....no more than this is allowed in the current HD-DVD spec......what this means is if you use the maximum video bandwidth allowed for HD-DVD, only 7.15 Mbit/sec is left for audio/data, meaning you only have enough bandwidth left over for Dolby Digital Plus (6.144 Mbit/sec), but not dts-HD Master audio lossless or Dolby TrueHD lossless audio (both have 18Mbit/sec max bandwidth)
Blu-ray, OTOH, has a 54 Megabit/sec maximum data rate and you can use a full 40 Megabit/sec for video alone!!
Also note that if you used 30Mbit/sec for video on Blu-ray (exceeding the HD-DVD Video max by .6 Mbit/sec) you would also have enough bandwidth left over for 7.1 channels of max rate Dolby TrueHD, dts-HD Master Audio Lossless or uncompressed 7.1ch LPCM audio PLUS you would still have another 6 Mbit/sec bandwidth to spare!!!!
In other words, Blu Ray for the win
Yup. So which would you rather have for long term (10+ years)? It's also why so few HD DVDs have Lossless audio and the ones that do have low VC-1 bitrates.
Kleegamefan
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DarkJediKnight said:
QFT
It should also be noted that Sony's new implementation of AVC encoding is much better than VC1.
Not sure what (if any) titles are using or slated to be using it at this point though (it was just announced a few months back).
Think about it though. BluRay has more video bandwidth to begin with ... but now it isn't apples to apples ... that bandwidth is actually better.
More bandwidth + better compression = awesomeness!!!!!
Not sure what (if any) titles are using or slated to be using it at this point though (it was just announced a few months back).
Think about it though. BluRay has more video bandwidth to begin with ... but now it isn't apples to apples ... that bandwidth is actually better.
More bandwidth + better compression = awesomeness!!!!!
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Kleegamefan said:
The real world called and says that Dolby TrueHD 5.1 tracks tend to peak around 2.3 Mbps, and are as low as 1.5 Mbps a lot of the time. Also, the highest bitrate I've seen for Dolby Digital Plus is 1.5 Mbps from a bunch of Universal discs.
Also, it's bizarre that they're mentioning BRD specifically, since this is the sort of thing that has been done on HDDVD already, and 300 is from Warner Bros., which is neutral.
DarkJediKnight
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Onix said:It should also be noted that Sony's new implementation of AVC encoding is much better than VC1.
Not sure what (if any) titles are using or slated to be using it at this point though (it was just announced a few months back).
Think about it though. BluRay has more video bandwidth to begin with ... but now it isn't apples to apples ... that bandwidth is actually better.
More bandwidth + better compression = awesomeness!!!!!
The thing is, if you look at the VC-1 transfers of Superman Returns, and Lady in the Water, they both show examples of lacking the proper bitrate. It's unfortunate that Warner used the same transfer made for HD DVD on the Blu-ray versions. I've seen HD DVD fans on AVS defend it saying: "Well, they reached transparency to the master". I say bullshit! Watching both these discs on my PS3, the bitrates are terrible. Lady in the Water at one point goes down to 8mbps. That's nearing DVD bitrates for God's sake! There is no way they're nearing transparency with the softness and noise.
Since VC-1 was designed as a high compression/low bitrate codec, it's seems like it's really inefficient at high bitrates in its development at the moment. This is where AVC kicks its ass, and why I prefer AVC over VC-1.
DarkJediKnight
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There's 3 kinds of Blu-ray cases. Ones with circular flattened feet, with rounded corners, and others with more of a boxy corner. There's also 2 shades of Blue. For example, my Kingdom of Heaven is a light blue color that is very transparent, and my Flyboys is a dark blue color that isn't all that transparent. I wish all Blu-rays would have the darker color.
Pristine_Condition
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Video Guru Joe Kane and Sony's Don Eklund talk about codecs and Blu-ray specs here:
http://www.avguide.com/the-perfect-vision/76/bluray.php
Interesting article.
http://www.avguide.com/the-perfect-vision/76/bluray.php
Interesting article.
AgentOtaku
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DarkJediKnight said:
ruh-roh
Am I the only one here who feels geniunely bad for the HD-DVD guys? I really feel bad for them. And it's not like I was rooting for a next gen format (other than the fact that PS3 is something I was going to get regardless). It's just a crappy situation created by evil evil corporations. It'll be a good day when this crap is over.
But until then I'll just feel sorry for the relative loser.
But until then I'll just feel sorry for the relative loser.
Alcibiades
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are you serious? feeling bad?
Blu-ray owners may have more studio support, but that doesn't mean HD DVD isn't getting anything. The 4 major studios supporting HD DVD aren't going to stop making movies for HD DVD, and Dreamworks is set to announce titles for both formats soon (starting with Dreamgirls and Flags of our Fathers).
While I would prefer a wider library (heck, even counting both formats I'd prefer a better library), there are already a ton of releases for people that chose HD DVD, and a ton more to come.
Comparing the "major studio" situation:
HD DVD
Warner Bros.
New Line
HBO
Paramount
Dreamworks
Universal
Weinstein Co.
Blu-ray
Warner Bros.
New Line
HBO
Paramount
Dreamworks
Sony
Fox
MGM
Disney
Lion's Gate
Unless studios stop producing HD DVDs (and no sign that will happen anytime soon), it's basically a matter of both formats getting a lot of content, and some of it being exclusive to one side or the other. While I envy that Blu-ray will be getting Day After Tomorrow (one of my favorite movies) pretty soon, I'm sure some Blu-ray owners envy King Kong and Batman Begins on HD DVD. Goes both ways.
Blu-ray owners may have more studio support, but that doesn't mean HD DVD isn't getting anything. The 4 major studios supporting HD DVD aren't going to stop making movies for HD DVD, and Dreamworks is set to announce titles for both formats soon (starting with Dreamgirls and Flags of our Fathers).
While I would prefer a wider library (heck, even counting both formats I'd prefer a better library), there are already a ton of releases for people that chose HD DVD, and a ton more to come.
Comparing the "major studio" situation:
HD DVD
Warner Bros.
New Line
HBO
Paramount
Dreamworks
Universal
Weinstein Co.
Blu-ray
Warner Bros.
New Line
HBO
Paramount
Dreamworks
Sony
Fox
MGM
Disney
Lion's Gate
Unless studios stop producing HD DVDs (and no sign that will happen anytime soon), it's basically a matter of both formats getting a lot of content, and some of it being exclusive to one side or the other. While I envy that Blu-ray will be getting Day After Tomorrow (one of my favorite movies) pretty soon, I'm sure some Blu-ray owners envy King Kong and Batman Begins on HD DVD. Goes both ways.
Kleegamefan
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TAJ said:
Yeah, and why do you think that is???
DTHD soundtracks on HD-DVD are encoded at a relatively low rate why?
Because they have to be!!!
True lossless quality audio is transparent to an LPCM master and can you really tell me the DTHD audio tracks on HD-DVD are at that level?:lol
Kleegamefan
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DarkJediKnight said:
Waite till teh cheep chinese HDDVD playerz!!!
Alcibiades
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Dolby TrueHD is just a form of compression.
Depending on the players, sound equipment, receiver, cables, etc... is SHOULD sound identical to an LCPM master. There is no reason they shouldn't. The only difference you'll be hearing have to do with the quality of the sound equipment or sound levels. TrueHD is lossless.
Does a Microsoft Word file lose quality when it's compressed in a zip file? It's a direct copy and that's what TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio are supposed to do.
Depending on the players, sound equipment, receiver, cables, etc... is SHOULD sound identical to an LCPM master. There is no reason they shouldn't. The only difference you'll be hearing have to do with the quality of the sound equipment or sound levels. TrueHD is lossless.
Does a Microsoft Word file lose quality when it's compressed in a zip file? It's a direct copy and that's what TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio are supposed to do.
Alcibiades said:
Well, some reviews have pointed out audible differences between HD-DVD lossless tracks and Blu-Ray uncompressed PCM tracks in the Blu-Ray's favor on at least one release (Departed maybe? I can't remember which disc it was now).
In any case, I believe Amirm at AVS theorized the differences were because of some post-processing being done to the HD-DVD audio to facilitate the on-the-fly mixing of the sound if you were to engage the commentary track or other "on-the-fly" audio stuff that would have to be mixed in with the audio. This is one reason I'm not too amazed with some of these iHD and BD-J features that some people go gaga over, because they are possibly being detrimental to the presentation of the actual feature just to give us some "wiz bang" "ooo aaaaa" extras that I couldn't really care less about.
Naked Snake
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Kleegamefan said:The maximum data bandwidth for the DVD Movie format is 9.6Megabits per/sec(Video+Audio+Data)...
HD-DVD has a 36.55 Megabit per/sec limit...the absolute ceiling for video on HD-DVD is 29.4 Megabits/sec....no more than this is allowed in the current HD-DVD spec......what this means is if you use the maximum video bandwidth allowed for HD-DVD, only 7.15 Mbit/sec is left for audio/data, meaning you only have enough bandwidth left over for Dolby Digital Plus (6.144 Mbit/sec), but not dts-HD Master audio lossless or Dolby TrueHD lossless audio (both have 18Mbit/sec max bandwidth)
Blu-ray, OTOH, has a 54 Megabit/sec maximum data rate and you can use a full 40 Megabit/sec for video alone!!
Also note that if you used 30Mbit/sec for video on Blu-ray (exceeding the HD-DVD Video max by .6 Mbit/sec) you would also have enough bandwidth left over for 7.1 channels of max rate Dolby TrueHD, dts-HD Master Audio Lossless or uncompressed 7.1ch LPCM audio PLUS you would still have another 6 Mbit/sec bandwidth to spare!!!!
In other words, Blu Ray for the win
Awesome. Thanks for the detailed breakdown.
ManaByte
Member
djkimothy said:
Not until BD-J can completely copy the HDi features on the BB HD-DVD. Right now, it can't (Descent just put two versions of the movie on the disc, it wasn't true PnP like HD-DVD uses). Until BD-J can support separate video streams, the HDi Warner titles (Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, Constantine, Dukes of Hazzard, Terminator 3, Troy, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, etc.) will remain HD-DVD exclusive as Warner doesn't want to waste money to have to make a dumbed-down and inferior versions by removing the HDi special features.
Analysts: European HD market will be painted blu
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/105929/playstation-3-the-key-to-bluray-format-triumph-research.html
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/105929/playstation-3-the-key-to-bluray-format-triumph-research.html
Pristine_Condition
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Fox announced yesterday that the Johnny Depp vehicle "From Hell" that was previously delayed will release March 13. (See Petrarca's post above.) It will have BD-J features. BD-J rollout begins...
ManaByte
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Pristine_Condition said:
BD-J features isn't the same as dual video stream HDi PnP. Descent did have BD-J features, but BD-J can't yet duplicate the dual video stream HDi uses for its PnP (which those exclusive Warner titles use very heavily). From Hell just uses BD-J for a trivia track.
Even both Pirates discs don't mention anything about the PnP use. Their BD-J features are a pop-up trivia track on Black Pearl and a Java-based FMV game on Dead Man's Chest.
Again, until BD-J can do dual video stream PnP; you won't see Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, or any of the other HD-DVD Warner titles be ported over unless they strip all the special features from them and release a gimped version; which Warner says they don't want to do with any HD release (although stuff like The Departed have already suffered due to being on both formats since they couldn't do any fancy special features).
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