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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I rented Open Season over the weekend... all the reviews about PQ were right on, amazing.
 
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jjasper

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Katana_Strikes said:
What about the film itself? Any good?
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It's ok, nothing spectacular or anything nor is it a bad movie. It's only an hour and half and isn't really worth watching a second time. It is a good rental movie but nothing more probably.
 
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AgentOtaku

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I got Black Hawk Down today from Netflix.

PQ is really outstanding throughout and is demo material....Too bad I've seen the film too many times and it hasn't aged well. Most notably the "hey kids, spot the actor!" cast....

So didn't finish it and sent it back
 
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Warm Machine

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I believe Revenge was severely cut before coming to theaters. I think there was some kind of action scene that takes place on a train that was completely removed from the film but I could be remembering wrong. One of Tony's most beautiful films.
 
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tanod

when is my burrito
NR1 said:
This weekend's Bust Buy ad reminded me of how much more the Blu-Ray players are compared to HD-DVD's. They had both Sony's $999.99 player and Samsung's $799.99 player listed, compared to Toshiba's $499.99 player. :(

I've already started my Blu-Ray collection (have 14 already), but no player to watch them. Does anyone know when the Blu-Ray camp plans to release more budgeted players? I was looking forward to CES with hopes of hearing one of the manufactures announcing plans to release a sub-$500 player, but that didn't happen...

As far as PS3 goes, it appears Sony has permanently stopped the selling of the 40GB model. I have been actively searching for one for the past month in Dallas; however, only the 60GB version is available. In fact, the Target store that I work for recently changed the label strip with both models listed to a new strip with only the 60GB listed. Several employees at other retailers have told me that they will no longer carry the 40GB.
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20GB at retail at Sony store.

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT...ategoryName=hav_blurayPS3&ProductSKU=PS398001

ENJOY.
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
jjasper said:
It's ok, nothing spectacular or anything nor is it a bad movie. It's only an hour and half and isn't really worth watching a second time. It is a good rental movie but nothing more probably.
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Yeah, starts off really slow but builds up to a rather satisfying ending. Good rental.
 
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Raistlin

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mrklaw said:
why would that make any difference? If you're accurately representing the original movie, you're still only getting 24fps. A 120fps TV will just repeat that frame 5 times in a row.
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???

Because current displays don't repeat frames in a row at the same ... they alternate by repeating the first time twice, then the next three times.
 
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mrklaw

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Onix said:
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Because current displays don't repeat frames in a row at the same ... they alternate by repeating the first time twice, then the next three times.
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if you feed them 1080p/24, then you're feeding the entire 1920x1080 image at once, displayed progressively. So just hold it in the buffer for 1/24 second before showing the next one. You don't need a player to send the info out at 120Hz. Just a waste of bandwidth.
 
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Raistlin

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mrklaw said:
if you feed them 1080p/24, then you're feeding the entire 1920x1080 image at once, displayed progressively. So just hold it in the buffer for 1/24 second before showing the next one. You don't need a player to send the info out at 120Hz. Just a waste of bandwidth.
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Who said anything about a player outputting 120!?


No offense, but you don't seem to know what you're talking about regarding movies and framerates.
 
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mrklaw

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Onix said:
Who said anything about a player outputting 120!?


No offense, but you don't seem to know what you're talking about regarding movies and framerates.
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easy tiger! No need to bite my bloody head off.

So you're talking about displays just refreshing internally at 120Hz. Fine. But I still don't understand why that is needed if they are progressive displays? Surely an LCD screen just shows the same image until its changed, so it should be able to display properly at 24Hz. I need an explanation as to why 120Hz is needed.

Also, you'll still need the display to properly recreate the original framerate. Most HD players output 1080p/60 which has the 3:2 pulldown in it. So that'll need to be reversed first before you can increase the framerate. Quite a lot of the sets don't do that particularly well. And if you have 120Hz update, isn't it tempting just to frame double the incoming 1080p/60 rather than go the extra mile to recreate the 1080p/24 and then frame-quintuple it?

Of course the displays should also accept 1080p/24, but they are even rarer than ones that accept 1080p/60 right now
 
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Argyle

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mrklaw said:
easy tiger! No need to bite my bloody head off.

So you're talking about displays just refreshing internally at 120Hz. Fine. But I still don't understand why that is needed if they are progressive displays? Surely an LCD screen just shows the same image until its changed, so it should be able to display properly at 24Hz. I need an explanation as to why 120Hz is needed.

Also, you'll still need the display to properly recreate the original framerate. Most HD players output 1080p/60 which has the 3:2 pulldown in it. So that'll need to be reversed first before you can increase the framerate. Quite a lot of the sets don't do that particularly well. And if you have 120Hz update, isn't it tempting just to frame double the incoming 1080p/60 rather than go the extra mile to recreate the 1080p/24 and then frame-quintuple it?

Of course the displays should also accept 1080p/24, but they are even rarer than ones that accept 1080p/60 right now
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The point is that 120Hz is the least common multiple of 24/30/60, which means that displaying movies or video content, it's just a simple matter of repeating frames an equal number of times (no judder).

In this case the display should do nothing but display what it is passed, the original device (which should have more information, probably from reading flags in the video stream, for example) should be doing the frame repeats.

Having everything support 120Hz just simplifies things for both the player and the display, IMHO. Less possibility of one device doing the wrong thing (like just doubling the 60p), wouldn't you agree?
 
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Bebpo

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Petrarca said:
Blu-ray top 10 rank average at Amazon: 193, the first time ever below 200

on another news L.A Confidential, Poltergeist for blu-ray
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Nice!

One of the first movies I saw on OTA HD was L.A. Confidential and I actually popped my dvd in and synced it and then switched back and forth and wow, the dvd I have (the original release) looks like complete shit in comparison.

Can't wait to upgrade that one.
 
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Raistlin

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mrklaw said:
easy tiger! No need to bite my bloody head off.
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I said 'no offense' because I'm not trying to bite your head off. I apologize if it appeared that way.

So you're talking about displays just refreshing internally at 120Hz. Fine. But I still don't understand why that is needed if they are progressive displays? Surely an LCD screen just shows the same image until its changed, so it should be able to display properly at 24Hz. I need an explanation as to why 120Hz is needed.
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Two reasons:

1) Cost. It is more expensive to make fixed pixel displays that support multiple refresh rates.

2) I'm away on business (and using a modem), so I can't look up much reference material. However, I recall that some fixed pixel technologies (LCD, maybe all?) have motion - or lack of motion - artifacts if they run at 24Hz natively. Not sure if it affects CRT, it may ... I'm not really fully aware of details beyond knowing it doesn't look good.

That is why no TV's have previously supported 24Hz (nor 48Hz to my knowledge), even though DVD has been out for a long time. Instead, a few manufacturers went with 72Hz.


Also, you'll still need the display to properly recreate the original framerate. Most HD players output 1080p/60 which has the 3:2 pulldown in it. So that'll need to be reversed first before you can increase the framerate. Quite a lot of the sets don't do that particularly well. And if you have 120Hz update, isn't it tempting just to frame double the incoming 1080p/60 rather than go the extra mile to recreate the 1080p/24 and then frame-quintuple it?
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That's why I said 'as long as the processors don't bork it'.

Sure it's possible some might cheat, but then why would they spend the cash to move up to 120Hz since they'd have no image quality advantage versus the competition?

If some do this, it would be in the minority. Either the processors will convert 2:3 to 5:5, or they will handle 24p. Otherwise they are mostly useless (there are other things that can be done with the extra frame though).
 
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mollipen

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So, for Blu-Ray owners, how are releases at this point? Has picture quality now pretty even across the board, or are releases still hit and miss like they used to be?
 
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Raistlin

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shidoshi said:
So, for Blu-Ray owners, how are releases at this point? Has picture quality now pretty even across the board, or are releases still hit and miss like they used to be?
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From what I've seen, they appear to be pretty consistant.

Generally comes down to the source material for the most part.
 
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mrklaw

MrArseFace
I got my stranger than fiction a couple of days ago, but all my kit is packed away or being replaced as i'm redecorating the lounge so haven't watched it.
 
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OokieSpookie

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Pristine_Condition

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VistraNorrez said:
Not even close, he is infinitely better in Dog Day Afternoon.
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Definitely. Scent of a Woman, Glengarry Glen Ross, Heat, and Serpico, too.

Heck, I'd even put his supporting performance in Dick Tracy above his lead in Donnie Brasco, even though I really did still like the movie a lot.
 
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AgentOtaku

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Pristine_Condition said:
Definitely. Scent of a Woman, Glengarry Glen Ross, Heat, and Serpico, too.

Heck, I'd even put his supporting performance in Dick Tracy above his lead in Donnie Brasco, even though I really did still like the movie a lot.
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Ah Dick Tracy

....underappreciated classic if you ask me and can't wait to see a proper new release :)
 
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BoboBrazil

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Got Stranger than fiction the other night and watched part of it last night before dozing off. Picture quality is really nice. Still have to get Babel, Prestige, and Departed though. So many good movies are comin to bluray lately...
 
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Midas

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Pristine_Condition said:
Definitely. Scent of a Woman, Glengarry Glen Ross, Heat, and Serpico, too.

Heck, I'd even put his supporting performance in Dick Tracy above his lead in Donnie Brasco, even though I really did still like the movie a lot.
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I did forget about Scent of a Woman, but Heat? No way! :)
 
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teiresias

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I'm actually boycotting the "Happy Feet" Blu-Ray release since it's another Warner BD where they've not inclued any kind of uncompressed PCM track to match the HD-DVD audio features.
 
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mrklaw

MrArseFace
teiresias said:
I'm actually boycotting the "Happy Feet" Blu-Ray release since it's another Warner BD where they've not inclued any kind of uncompressed PCM track to match the HD-DVD audio features.
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they've done a couple of BDs with uncompressed audio though. So hopefully they are getting up to speed with BD owners desires and the authoriing process. Uncompressed for V for Vendetta and Matrix please!
 
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Kleegamefan

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mrklaw said:
they've done a couple of BDs with uncompressed audio though. So hopefully they are getting up to speed with BD owners desires and the authoriing process. Uncompressed for V for Vendetta and Matrix please!
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If they don't give us uncompressed audio with the BD release of 300 I am going to have to kill somebody :mad:
 
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DarkJediKnight

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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=76775

New sales chart for last week.

Even though both HD DVD and Blu-ray received Departed and Babel - two of the top selling movies, Blu-ray had another strong week (again) selling 67.6% better than HD DVD. So the question begs, Blu-ray will cream HD DVD with exclusive new releases (and this is a proven fact), and if HD DVD can't even match it when it comes to weeks where both sides have roughly the same content, how does it expect to survive?
 
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Phoenix

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CurseoftheGods said:
I hope Universal starts supporting Blu-ray soon.
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Yeah, that's a weird one. Not sure what Universal hopes to gain by going it alone with HD/DVD. Surely with TWX getting a significant share of the HD royalties, the fact that they are supporting HD exclusively without getting much on the back end is puzzling.
 
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Kleegamefan

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Phoenix said:
Yeah, that's a weird one. Not sure what Universal hopes to gain by going it alone with HD/DVD. Surely with TWX getting a significant share of the HD royalties, the fact that they are supporting HD exclusively without getting much on the back end is puzzling.
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Microsoft moneyhatz....I am sure the royalties they also receive from Zune sales helps their want to support HD-DVD too :D
 
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Luckyman

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Nice increse for both formats last week. 15k vs 5k though.

When will BD brake 100k per week?
 
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Petrarca

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Luckyman said:
When will BD brake 100k per week?
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I think Casino Royale could/should bring it to 100K per week, if not then April with Eragon & Night At The Museum.

blu-ray sales should be hot the next few months, Sony/FOX/Disney are doing great job at the box office
 
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sonicfan

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I just rented The Prestige on BRD, very nice picture. The movie though was a bit of a letdown for me, I liked it OK I guess, but I thought I would like it a whole lot more....
 
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Petrarca

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sonicfan said:
I just rented The Prestige on BRD, very nice picture. The movie though was a bit of a letdown for me, I liked it OK I guess, but I thought I would like it a whole lot more....
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I liked the movie alot, after Casino Royale, that's my 2nd fav movie from last year. Why or what part of the movie did you not like?
 
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