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Homeland - Season 5 - Sundays on Showtime
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Exactly this! The show has a lot of things you have to accept or be frustrated but damnit it's fun and the suspense!
AngmarsKing701
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Wow. My take exactly. Dude was channeling my brain.
This season has been so utterly devoid of basic common sense and intelligence that it goes beyond suspension of disbelief. I still think it's better than the Brody Bunch, but this show is so far away from what Homeland started out as in S1. It's kinda sad, really.
Yep almost word for workd what was going through my head as it was happening... I want to enjoy the show but these ridiculous holes always take me out of it..
If it weren't for the acting of Manny, F Murray and Claire , I'd have been gone long ago.
They deserve better
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
This part:
Yeah it's pretty funny to see German intelligence being portrayed as the nasty evil ones who treat these people so poorly and the Americans coming to "save" them by giving them tea and comfort.
Ugh.
Yeah it's pretty funny to see German intelligence being portrayed as the nasty evil ones who treat these people so poorly and the Americans coming to "save" them by giving them tea and comfort.
Ugh.
~ Zyzomys ~
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I thought the show was implying that the terrorists were jamming cell signals and that was why she told the one woman to go up the escalator and even outside to get a signal.
I am enjoying this season and trying not to overthink everything. It is all about the ride.
Cheers
That is not the case at all.
And by "people" i think we all mean "Dar Adal, and occasionally Saul"
Seriously, Dar hasn't made a single good decision in the whole season. It's baffling. I'm starting to think he's on the russian side - nothing's too crazy for Homeland, anyway.
Funky Papa
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The worst part of the entire season (and I'm not mincing words, I mean THE WORST) is the way the CIA has been shown lording over the German authorities as if they were in a fiefdom.
Agents detaining people in broad daylight, manning over drones, running operations by themselves and without any kind of supervision, allowing Carrie (a civilian) to carry a gun in a country where they are severely restricted... It's like they think Germany is some lawless hellhole in the vein of Afghanistan where the CIA can do as it pleases.
But the most absurd thing about it is that the show tried to be somewhat realistic in terms of language, locations and cultural norms. How they could fuck it up so bad?
wow, you just make up these things yourself while watching? Nothing of the sort was implied or even hinted at in the slightest.
Yup, it all seems to be playing weirdly into right-wing themes - portraying Germany as the European gateway for terrorism, where the authorities treat it as a battlefield while the US is the moderating force. And of course the terrorist leader living in Germany has Syrian parents.
Homeland has in the past done the whole look-realistic-while-promoting-some-dangerously-inaccurate-views, but this season has been incredibly overt with it.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Homeland is definitely tapping into that bizarre "world police" mentality in which America doesn't really want to be involved in some things, but they just have to because the rest of the world is woefully incompetent. And somehow, other nations recognize the situation, allowing the Mighty Americans to do as they please with no respect to national jurisdictions.
There are times when it really feels like an updated version of White Man's Burden: The TV Show.
There are times when it really feels like an updated version of White Man's Burden: The TV Show.
Just marathon 07 to 11
This season from Russian spy shifting to Islamic extremists
Carrie from rogue to semi CIA
Allison from suspected as a double agent to being able to roam around end up killing an agent
The coincidences in this show.
Epi pen falling off the trash leads to betrayal shooting.
Quinn's suicide leading to infiltrating a terrorist cell.
Carries cellphone running out of signal in a populated area.
This series reached DEXTER dumbness already.
This season from Russian spy shifting to Islamic extremists
Carrie from rogue to semi CIA
Allison from suspected as a double agent to being able to roam around end up killing an agent
The coincidences in this show.
Epi pen falling off the trash leads to betrayal shooting.
Quinn's suicide leading to infiltrating a terrorist cell.
Carries cellphone running out of signal in a populated area.
This series reached DEXTER dumbness already.
I guess it just wasn't as obvious when the show was in Pakistan.
APPALLING. They keep topping themselves this year. Homeland S5 might be the worst TV season ever.
To add to the nonsense: how does Carrie know where Al-Amin lives? Last time he kidnapped her to underground location just to meet with her. Why wouldn't the Americans\Germans know about Qassim? He's Bibi's cousin, so he should be looked for\be on the watchlist. They surely should have a pic of him. Carrie lucking out on a sole picture him from his apartment. Terrorists can't visit the Professor because they are on the watchlist but they can go out to the train station to close the gates? They are supposed to be watched if they ever surface. The Airport stuff aint an excuse. I guess shaving is great stealth technique.
The most stupid thing about Allison this episode is that she had no reason to lie about the attack location. Just say he caught you off guard and had to be killed before they could get the location from him. You know, that way when the explosion goes off at the train station you don't fame yourself being the spy everyone suspected you were. She plainly screws herself over for no reason at all. And it's not like she wants to have the police at the other side of town to maximize causalities - she actually says she doesn't agree with allowing the attack to happen.
Speechless.
To add to the nonsense: how does Carrie know where Al-Amin lives? Last time he kidnapped her to underground location just to meet with her. Why wouldn't the Americans\Germans know about Qassim? He's Bibi's cousin, so he should be looked for\be on the watchlist. They surely should have a pic of him. Carrie lucking out on a sole picture him from his apartment. Terrorists can't visit the Professor because they are on the watchlist but they can go out to the train station to close the gates? They are supposed to be watched if they ever surface. The Airport stuff aint an excuse. I guess shaving is great stealth technique.
The most stupid thing about Allison this episode is that she had no reason to lie about the attack location. Just say he caught you off guard and had to be killed before they could get the location from him. You know, that way when the explosion goes off at the train station you don't fame yourself being the spy everyone suspected you were. She plainly screws herself over for no reason at all. And it's not like she wants to have the police at the other side of town to maximize causalities - she actually says she doesn't agree with allowing the attack to happen.
Speechless.
I've been pretty critical of the most recent episode. But your second paragraph sounds like you missed the whole scene with Allison and the Russian agent in the bathroom. It was Alison's final mission for the Russians to lie about the attack location because they want the bomb to go off successfully. At the end of the episode Alison was clearly extracted by Russian agents to hopefully go live a wealthy secluded life safely in Russia.
dead souls
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Give me a break.
Hell, I can think of plenty of shows I've watched just this calendar year that are significantly worse than this.
TheRagnCajun
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Her lying about the location only implicates the Russians involvement. It would have made more sense for her to just dissapear after shooting the doctor and her escort. It would have made even more sense to just get a different Russain agent who's not under constant escort, and who can be fully trusted. Its kind of absurd for that lady in the bathroom to say "you can't be fully trusted anymore" and "we need you to carry out this critical conspiracy mission on the day of the terrorist attack" in one breath.
I think the most frustrating thing to me is why Allision is trusted by Saul and Dar at all. I don't understand why she was given such a long leash. I don't know why they let her go on a field trip the day of the terrorist attack. I don't know why she only has one escort on this field trip. I don't know why the escort would give her his gun. I don't know why they didn't bug her new phone, or place a GPS tracker on her. Its really, really bad how she managed to fool everyone, carry out an assasination, and slip away.
No way is this season worse than 3.
Yes, it was Allison's mission to let the attack proceed. It wasn't her mission to pass fake intel on the location of said attack. If she had any remaining aspirations of getting on US' good side then telling something that is going to be exposed as a lie soon won't help her. The only reason she's in a rush to escape is because she said the attack is taking place at the airport but Carrie spotted the guys at the train station and messaged Saul who went chasing her. Allison's mission was to take out the Professor so he won't spill the beans to the CIA\BND. It wasn't her mission to make her life and escape harder by telling a lie that would be quickly exposed.
Then you should probably stop watching them? Although, do give examples. The thing with Homeland is that it's a high-profile, award-nominated, highly rated (still, for some reason) premier cable TV series that its current season has been a shit-show. You might not be taken back by it if were another trash network TV outing but you sorta have to here. It's really remarkable just how awful it's been. You could watch it for the laughs, for lessons in how to not write a show, for what seems to pass as a Cable channel's premier content.
TheRagnCajun
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It was probably part of the mission to lie to the CIA about the attack location. And I'm pretty sure Allison doesn't give a shit about the CIA or the people who are going to die. She only cares about extraction. But that mission still doesn't make sense, because that lie implicates the Russians being involved, her being a suspected Russian double-agent.
Fried Food
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Episode 11 was the best episode of the season by far.
BlackClouds
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I think this show jumped the shark. I agree with those who think this is getting really bad. Renewed for Season 6, great!
AngmarsKing701
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Well it jumped the shark back in s2. Now it's just surfing the whale.
RatskyWatsky
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I'd even go so far as to say it jumped the shark when Carrie and Brody first hooked up back in the first season.
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the weekend was such a good episode tho
the show was so good when it was walking the tight rope. It just fell on the wrong side. Also, I'm still enjoying the show but it's definitely stupid. People should be watching the Americans if you want to see a very well acted, suspensful, awesome tv show.
RatskyWatsky
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-Pyromaniac-
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I was one of the few people who didn't like The Weekend. ¯\_(ツ_/¯
AngmarsKing701
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Dat chin quiver
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
AngmarsKing701
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:jnc
S4 was generally good the whole way, both S5 and S2 have gigantic issues after the halfway mark of the season.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
The finale is tonight!
(wtf kind of episode description is that????)
(wtf kind of episode description is that????)
As empty as its plot
Homeland has always been about jumping sharks. That's why it's fun.
Even Showtime doesn't care anymore.
AngmarsKing701
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Would've been funnier if they'd said "We'd summarize, but we'd have to kill you."
dead souls
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Agreed. I've really enjoyed this season a lot, and it's been funny watching people on the internet complain that "implausible show is implausible" so it should be a blast.
Between this and the nearly 70 minute long Affair finale Showtime should have a great night.
BLOODED_hands
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Man, I knew they should have just killed Quinn earlier instead of doing that to my dude
That execution made me so happy though!
That execution made me so happy though!
Morrigan Stark
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"Remember last year when everyone hated that anti-climatic, epilogue-style finale? Let's do it again guys! Solve the big-ass terror threat in 2 minutes then focus on our lives."
Wut
Wut
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Solid finale. Good on the writers for having the guts to kill Quinn.
It seemed like it came out of nowhere, but maybe there were signs that he was into her/thought that highly of her and just no one picked up on them?
It seemed like it came out of nowhere, but maybe there were signs that he was into her/thought that highly of her and just no one picked up on them?
shanafan
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Sorry, going to play dumb here.. His offer was for marriage correct?
Do we know this for sure? Did the ray of light change her mind?
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Yes. Wife/business partner.
I mean, the episode ended with Quinn still alive, so anything is possible, but I assume Carrie went ahead and killed him as soon as the credits rolled.
BLOODED_hands
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That ray of light could mean one of two things:
There is a slim chance that Quinn actually survived and turned out fine
Or
That Carrie was making the right choice in letting Quinn go
I think it was the second choice they were aiming for but I can understand how some people can see it as the first choice. My brother said the same thing as the first option.
Otto's offer was weird since we barely got anything to insinuate that he wanted Carrie in that way. Claire Danes has such good facial features and motions that you could tell she was just as confused as the audience. Carrie's got time to think about it and I think she should take it. That way we might get something sort of different for season 6 unless they really wanted Carrie back with Saul.
That is something I wouldn't mind also. Those two, when paired together seriously, are probably the best in the business and that's why Saul wants her to come back even if she doesn't know how to solve these new threats. Carrie will always find ways to take down the enemies whether it's due to the plot or otherwise.
The season as a whole was ok-good for me. The major gripes I had were, again, how convenient some of the actions were and how the plot demanded for stupidity.
There is a slim chance that Quinn actually survived and turned out fine
Or
That Carrie was making the right choice in letting Quinn go
I think it was the second choice they were aiming for but I can understand how some people can see it as the first choice. My brother said the same thing as the first option.
Otto's offer was weird since we barely got anything to insinuate that he wanted Carrie in that way. Claire Danes has such good facial features and motions that you could tell she was just as confused as the audience. Carrie's got time to think about it and I think she should take it. That way we might get something sort of different for season 6 unless they really wanted Carrie back with Saul.
That is something I wouldn't mind also. Those two, when paired together seriously, are probably the best in the business and that's why Saul wants her to come back even if she doesn't know how to solve these new threats. Carrie will always find ways to take down the enemies whether it's due to the plot or otherwise.
The season as a whole was ok-good for me. The major gripes I had were, again, how convenient some of the actions were and how the plot demanded for stupidity.
It gives the idea that his dislike for Carrie was less her inconsistency and crazy and more because Jonas was bedding her.
Although it's possible that that's not true, and he was planning on sacking her just because she was such a hassle, but her almost single-handed role in preventing the gas attack changed his mind. You kind of want to keep someone capable of that on the payroll.
And man, Saul went full executioner.
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