Seriously, did they really need to introduce this terrible non-binary character in the last episode of the season?
maybe tv is just not a good medium for game of thrones. we all thought that the massive books and dozens of characters would need long 10 hour episodes, but honestly, if LOTR can be adapted in three 3 hour long movies then game of thrones couldve been adapted as well. just get a good director, give it a massive budget, cut some characters, insert some montages and get to the good stuff.
Nah, you just need to watch some films that have economical storytelling and make sure every scene advances a character. Then you will realize that the 4th scene of Corlys and Alyn, the fidth scene of Rhaena wandering after a dragon, theb3rd time Jace has ro be told to sit and mind his business; these are extraneous scenes that repeat info over and over. The dialogue isn't snappy, it's flowery but most conversations are circular and indirect, so they can be edited in anywhere in an episode and none directly lead to another. We just hop around, aimlessly, and have to be TOLD stuff like how cool someone is because they rarely SHOW anything because the writers favor dialogue over action, any kind of action.
Any scenes with Ulf are actually good.
Is that Punky Brewster?So after listening to showrunner Condal on the HBO podcast talking about the character of Lohar, the intent is that it's a biological woman who is just very tomboy (if that's an allowed term these days) and kind of plays as a man as an illusion for her crew to better accept a woman being in charge. No trans as we think of it today, more like...
Jo from Facts of Life, one of the OG tomboy characters.
That's what you get when you cast a trans actor. What gender are they playing? Then you layer in a somewhat androgynous character that is never specifically gendered (other than being a male in the book) and it leads to confusion beyond the creators intent. The character was ambiguous, but not in a particularly good way (IMHO) and a bit if silly levity in a show that was in it's final ep of the season, so it was time wasted that could have been spent on, oh, I dunno, a BATTLE, an explanation for why Otto was in a cage, why Alicent was so ready to give up both her sons , or any of the other heel turns we got this ep. The poor ratings shows they mismanaged their time and didn't stick it.
So you thought a trans woman was playing a man?
No, I don't think it was meant to be "blatantly obvious" that the character was a woman. If that was the case, they would have hired a woman for the role. They WANTED the character to feel ambiguous and unsettling to Lannister. And I think it worked. The problem is that it was 3 episodes too late and ONLY that character acted like that, so she seemed more unhinged than just culturally different.
The actress that plays Mysaria makes me roll my eyes each time she's onscreen. Her expressions, her dialogue, her delivery ... ugh just kills me.
She's even worse than this guy who at least tries pretty hard to act in the last episode.
You watch TV a lot or...? I'm not even a big consumer of white people TV and I've seen worse. The Walking Dead and The Boys immediately come to mind. Don't get me wrong it is a clear quality drop but there's WAY worse trash out there.
Funny you would call HotD "white people tv" when they went SO FAR out of their way to make it NOT "white people tv". Why would you still call it that? Or do you just mean 'english language tv' versus Korean shows or something?
Should've said normie TV tbh. I mostly just watch anime or used to.
I dont. Dropped The Boys mid way through season 2, and never bothered with The Walking Dead after finding out it has 24 episodes per season. The last 24 episode tv drama i watched was Season 3 of 24, and i read that they had no idea how to end the season up until the last 3 months or so. These 24 episode seasons are written on the fly so they are just making shit up on the go. The ending didnt make sense and none of the character arcs were consistent. I was like fuck this and stuck with HBO, AMC and Showtime.
Lord Panda
said above, the acting from certain members of the cast is just piss poor in this show. Stuff i consistently saw in network tv shows, CW trash, and more recently in netflix, Disney and Amazon shows. To see HBO sink to these lows is extremely disheartening especially when the rest of the cast is phenomenal and carrying the show despite the poor writing.
There are a lot of really talented black and other minority actors in other HBO shows like Euphoria, We Own This City and Watchmen. I have no clue why everyone from House Valeryn and that asian lady were cast because they are c tier actors at best. They were the weakest link in season 1 when Paddy Consdine, Rhys Ifans and Matt Smith just crushing every scene they were in. It almost looked like self sabotage they were all so bad. The trans lady in the latest episode is so fucking bad. I get that the pool for trans actors is small and that Euphoria trans girl is the only good actress we have from the trans community but if you cant find a good actor for the role, dont make it trans or black or asian in the first place.The actress that plays Mysaria makes me roll my eyes each time she's onscreen. Her expressions, her dialogue, her delivery ... ugh just kills me.
She's even worse than this guy who at least tries pretty hard to act in the last episode.
Found a quote that explains the character’s intent. Ryan Condal seems to be afflicted with some issues that were being kept in check by Miguel Sapochnik until S2. (Highlighting not mine)
Condal kind of forgot a lot of things, it seems, like how Daemon’s assassins already evened the score. The Alicent scene in the finale made Rhaenyra a psycho and Alicent willing to sacrifice her own children for extremely dubious reasons. Will probably need to be retconned in S3.
No, I don't think it was meant to be "blatantly obvious" that the character was a woman. If that was the case, they would have hired a woman for the role. They WANTED the character to feel ambiguous and unsettling to Lannister. And I think it worked. The problem is that it was 3 episodes too late and ONLY that character acted like that, so she seemed more unhinged than just culturally different.
Just imagine if the character looked like this. Badass, but definitely feminine....
She literally says I want Aemond Targaryan after she returns after finding her son's remains. So she wanted Aemond when says son for a son and Alicent offers up Aemond to her telling her where he will be and when he will attack, and shes like nah I want Aegon. Besides, if the whole son for a son thing was real then surely they were even when Aegon's fucking 5 year old was beheaded alive in front of his mom.
Which wife? The Velarian one or his first wife he dropped off a horse?
They could have circled back to the original plan, having Rhaenyra's kids (with Daemon, the true Targaryan heirs) pair up with Aegon's kids. Dragonriders are easy enough to marry off to other houses. Aemond is probably the only really troublemaker of the lot after Aegon gets torched so he's the one you need to appeal to, Alicent has fuck all authority of capability to do anything without him, really. That no one, especially Larys, never tried to assassinate Daemon in Harrenhall is kinda shocking. I mean, he torched his own father and brother there, so clearly he has contacts.
And if they needed to sideline Daemon at Harrenhall for a season, having him deal with treachery and assassination attempts (perhaps in addition to some Old Gods weirdness) would have been much more compelling than what we got.
I wouldn't count on it. In fact, I think it will have maybe 1 more "big" scene than what we got in S2 (so 2 total). I think I can guess the plotting Condal wants if he doesn't get some exec pressure. I guess I'm saying that you should expect a lot of scenes of Lohar giving Lannister the old "nudge nudge, hint, hint, wink, wink" routine as they slooooowly sail across the sea
