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IGN: Ubisoft Montreal is currently in Turmoil

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Cashon

Banned
Get the fuck over it. My parents drive 2.5 hours total to and from work every day, 50 hour work week for over 30 years at the same job.

And reading more, they only have to come to office now 2 days a week at ubisoft? What a dream job...
Do you think we should go back to your parents' work-life balance? Do you want to dedicate 12 hours of your week simply traveling to work, unpaid? Can you acknowledge that we currently have it much better than your parents did?

It can be better still. We shouldn't be dedicating our lives to the profits of corporations/bank accounts of shareholders.

We shouldn't use the fact that things were worse in the past as an excuse to not make things better in the present.
 

X-Wing

Member
Why the home office hate in here? Are you butthurt that you can't do it yourselves?
Also, to the posters of stupid comments like "my parents drove X hours to work, you should do it too", my grandmother gave birth alone, in a ditch outside of her village. Don't take your wives to the clinic, let them give birth at home alone.
Stupid logic huh?

If the company made promises to their employees they should keep them, or face the consequences of their decisions. Of course if what they want is soft layoffs, they found the best way.

Having to go to the office for 2 days a week is not that big of thing for me, but i can only imagine it from my side and of course if some people moved away because of a spouse or special conditions in general, as the article says, they need to address it asap.

Home office has pros and cons, for the employee and the employer too. They need to discuss, form a policy and move forward.

Yes.
 

BbMajor7th

Member
I mean, to hear 'lack of sufficient equipment or accommodations' makes me laugh. Ubisoft Montreal is a top tier studio, if something these studios have an excessive and unneeded amount of stupid luxurious accomodations.
It's mostly ass-backwarss in studios like this: rank and file constantly highlight busted tools and workflow, managers constantly say they understand and promise that change is coming before going back to whatever silly vanity project they're currently forcing through so they can brag about it in the interview for their next job.

Those stupid 'we're listening' PR statements you get from studios, promising to fix shit that is obviously awful, are the same statements they hand down to staff, before doing nothing and moving onto a new management role in a new company with a healthy salary boost.

Regular as clockwork: people who work hard and excel at their job are stuck there for years, people who bullshit, brag and write cheques they'll never be able to cash vault up the corporate ladder like a billy goat on steroids.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Couldn't said it better about the whole loyality thing. It's corporate brainwashing at its best.

It's also wery weird to me that people here are defending work from office with productivity stats. It's been decades since workers were properly compensated for increase in their productivity:
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And that's the point of progress even if you go back to the Roman times of blacksmiths making swords and shields. As time goes on, technology advances making it easier to churn out stuff, and much easier on human hands (less manual work as PC and robots do a lot of the pain in the ass stuff).

If Ford workers 100 years ago put together cars by hand with shitty assembly lines made $100 making 100 cars, why would workers in modern day make $1000 for making 1000 cars when highly advanced robots (or PC programs for office staff) are the key reason why the company is way more productive? It's not like the worker is working 10x faster. The worker is probably even doing less work and much less dirty and strenuous. The awesome robot arms in billion dollar assembly lines are the key reason why production of cars is up.
 

drotahorror

Member
Do you think we should go back to your parents' work-life balance? Do you want to dedicate 12 hours of your week simply traveling to work, unpaid? Can you acknowledge that we currently have it much better than your parents did?

It can be better still. We shouldn't be dedicating our lives to the profits of corporations/bank accounts of shareholders.

We shouldn't use the fact that things were worse in the past as an excuse to not make things better in the present.

No I don't think so. I just can't feel any sympathy for these folks. Working at home 3 days a week and in office 2 days a week sounds like a dream come true to me.

I also just feel like working at home is no good for a modern society. There is far too many distractions. A 20-30 year old today, will not have the same productivity at home if they were working in an office.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
As for WFH or back to the office it really comes down to this:

1. Unless a company specifically put in writing that covid crisis time meant WFH is permanent, a worker has nothing except to complain hoping for as much WFH as possible. Very few companies would had adjusted their job descriptions stating WFH is permanent forever. Virtually all companies would had told their employees during that crisis time where governments, stores and offices were closing asap with no game plan except: Go Home. And dont come back until we say so. All the workers out there blessed to have WFH PC access got to go home. Everyone else still slogged to to work or lost their job (often front line service and travel jobs). At this time, companies then shifted focus to their on premise staff (manufacturing and shipping depts) to set policies, mandatory masks, hand sanitizers, spacing out etc.... The office staff at home is done until a decision s made to call them back. For me it was 2 years. Some other companies were more, some less. But nobody would had assumed it's permanent. Anyone adjusting their life style..... (wake up late, move 2 hours away to a new house, cancelled all babysitting service, dont want to see or work with people in person etc....) that's on them. A company and their workforce doesn't revolve around your personal life, just like if I wanted to WFH and work from 8 pm to 4 am so you cant get hold me you wouldnt like it either. So be a team player, go back 2 days a week (even though before covid 5 days seemed no problem), and work with your coworkers at the same time slots so everyone is on the same page

2. Anyone working from home is banking savings. Save on gas, eating in cafeteria or fast food joint, buying new clothes etc..... No company is reducing salaries to compensate for costs savings. Everyone is just banking it. I probably saved $3000-4000/yr those two years. I barely drove or ate out for lunch. So instead of being happy banking some freebie savings, it's all bitching and whining. All the workers who still had to go to work 5 days a week didnt get these savings. People bitching about inflation up and want more pay, and all the WFH people then and now hybrid style are still banking savings. If anything, WFH people should have reduced salaries and it's shifted to 5 day a week on premise workers.

3. If bosses and companies are so greedy for profits and bonuses, then there should be zero office space. Everyone would work from home, every company would bank millions of cost savings, company profits would zoom up and every person on a bonus plan would get the biggest bonuses ever. Doesn't happen. A lot of companies want people back at the office which goes against increased office lease costs and costs from any company who owns their office tower.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
No I don't think so. I just can't feel any sympathy for these folks. Working at home 3 days a week and in office 2 days a week sounds like a dream come true to me.

I also just feel like working at home is no good for a modern society. There is far too many distractions. A 20-30 year old today, will not have the same productivity at home if they were working in an office.
Thats because a lot of people (especially younger people or techie people) are anti-social nowadays. They prefer texting and online communication. Sit on the couch or PC desk being lone wolves. You can already see it during the internet age where kids are barely around outside riding bikes or playing football or street hockey. Instead they are at home on the couch. If they can get through life communicating through bits and bytes than actually talking to someone face to face, it's like a major victory. It's one part growing up with it and one part personality.

It's just like at work, our office has almost all job function depts. Even IT has their office space with their secret server room. Anytime IT talks to you it's by email. Fuck dude, you can also just come by my office and speak to me like a human. On the other hand, the dept I find the most chatty and will come by to chat or ask for stuff is sales. Makes sense, they are a chatty bunch by nature.

Having everyone WFH just closes off communication. Most people dont even go on cam. And many dont even upload a pic. Jennifer Smith is online in a meeting and all you see is JS. She's on mute as you can see the mute icon on her initials. You dont even know if she's listening or not. She might be watching TV,
 

MonkD

Member
I'd be interested to know where the anti wfh people are working. Whats the upside of having people return to the office when you don't even work with them? Seems like spiteful childish shit, and I'm assuming that those posters work retail/construction or some other sector where remote isnt an option. I had lazy coworkers from way before the pandemic, they werent better then nor after returning to the office.
 

Cashon

Banned
No I don't think so. I just can't feel any sympathy for these folks. Working at home 3 days a week and in office 2 days a week sounds like a dream come true to me.

I also just feel like working at home is no good for a modern society. There is far too many distractions. A 20-30 year old today, will not have the same productivity at home if they were working in an office.
What do you think of this?

 

Meicyn

Gold Member
Having everyone WFH just closes off communication. Most people dont even go on cam. And many dont even upload a pic. Jennifer Smith is online in a meeting and all you see is JS. She's on mute as you can see the mute icon on her initials. You dont even know if she's listening or not. She might be watching TV,
Oh no, someone didn’t upload a profile pic on Microsoft Teams. The horror.
 

KungFucius

King Snowflake
Oh no, not the office. Anything but that
You don't have to be an unsympathetic dick. Many people rebuilt their whole lives around WFH, just because it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it is remotely acceptable to point fingers at people and trivialize their discomfort with having to go back to the office because someone who gets paid 100 times more than them doesn't care more than 1% what they think.
 

Embearded

Member
No I don't think so. I just can't feel any sympathy for these folks. Working at home 3 days a week and in office 2 days a week sounds like a dream come true to me.

I also just feel like working at home is no good for a modern society. There is far too many distractions. A 20-30 year old today, will not have the same productivity at home if they were working in an office.

You are assuming the person finds no interest in their work or / and can be easily distracted though.
I am more productive when i am at home and i always put home office on release days as i can focus better.
 

Meicyn

Gold Member
Why are so many of you guys against workers improving their working conditions?
A lot of middle managers that are unwilling to admit that they’re bad managers. They’re passing the buck, as per the usual. They’re incapable of providing honest feedback to their subordinates and holding them accountable as a requirement of their own job. They don’t clearly communicate expectations and timelines, and make up bullshit reasons why things aren’t working. Notice how you don’t see any specific scenarios at an individual level, it’s all percentages and generalities.

Middle management loves to fall back on time-honored platitudes such as “this new generation doesn’t want to work” like every other generation before them. They talk a big game, but they can’t even do their own job properly, i.e. manage their performers and slackers accordingly. So they find an external reason for organizational failure. Unilaterally blaming WFH is the new hotness for middle management incompetence. It’s a hell of a lot easier to do one-size-fits-all solutions than to identify and resolve problems at an individual level. Lets them absolve themselves of responsibility.

TLDR most modern managers are lazy.
 
A lot of stupid opinions mostly by people that never held a corporate job in their lives.

There's very few corporate jobs in which you're more productive in an office than working remotely. The main exceptions would be for very junior / entry level roles in which the person would benefit from someone actively supervising, but that can be addressed with proper training and a temporary work from the office situation until they are up to speed.

Anything other than that is a complete waste of productivity (too many distractions and wasted time finding meeting rooms), money (renting of office space) and a more tired workforce. And those are only from the employer's perspective.

From the worker side, again, more wasted time on commute for themselves and the other people on the road that actually would be better off having less unnecessary traffic. More money spend on commute, lunch out and other smaller expenses due to being outside the home. Less personal time for work/life balance and definitely less will to put in the extra hour or so to clear up that mailbox.

The amount of extra time myself and my teams have put since working from home with absolutely no complains is staggering. And all because you get to work in a place that respects your time and your independence, therefore you're much more likely to take ownership of your role. That all goes away when people have all the other grievances just so shit management feels like they can "keep an eye" on people.

Thankfully there's still plenty of companies that understood things can't go back to the way they were before and are much better off for it, all the others can crash and burn for all I care :)
 

Eotheod

Member
Working remotely on something as collaborative as making a game is a minefield of potential issues.

The plain fact is that if the "plan" is solid and consistent with everyone on staff confident in the creative vision and deliverables then things can run smoothly, but as soon as the project enters a state of flux and uncertainty, the additional communication time/coordination effort required to right the ship really starts to bite.
It's really not. Many developers did it before and do it today, thanks to conference systems and collab suites like GitHub. Developing games is actually probably the best example of where working from home works most efficiently, now that the short term issues have essentially been reduced.

You saw a heap of issues arrive early on in COVID because we literally had to change industry mentalities to allow for non-workplace production. That was a mammoth task but the technology was available and quick to provision support. That you need to be in an office to sit around doing the same thing you can do at home and provide the same productivity is not more due to less social distraction is massive.

People really have to remember how bloody distracting an office space is. Not just noise levels, but social interactions that cause reduction in work, WHS bullshit, layouts and others. At home it's you, your work and that's it.

If you are productive, it won't matter the setting. If you wing it and slack off in the office you are going to suck shit at home too and should be fired. Bringing people back in just for the necessity of a small collection of slackers is stupid, and it's even more stupid seeing companies cry that they are wasting money on office spaces that no one uses. Sell the fucking buildings then idiots.
 

Zathalus

Member
I love WFH, I've been to the office a handful of times over the past 3 years. The increase in flexibility and lack of a commute is a great quality of life bump. Luckily my new contract has been updated to reflect that, I only need to head to the office should my consultancy require it and it almost never does.
 

John Marston

GAF's very own treasure goblin
If people take a step back they'd realize just HOW LITTLE work gets done by being in an office setting. Sure, the people that don't work in an office may be WORSE at home. But the people that actually get shit done (80/20 rule) thrive better in an at home environment free of distractions. Who do you think the corporation depends on more? The superstars, by far. They get most shit done.
We're also going with 2 days/week at the office starting in October.

While I am looking forward to it because I've been living like a hermit in a cave the last 3 years I told my Lead I would obviously be a bit less productive.

At home I take no breaks & no lunch hour. Sometimes I even logged in a bit during weekends to get ahead on stuff.
Also not to diminish my role but I don't need to be in the office to properly do my job. I'm not a creative director or producer 😊

But it's all good because that's what the company wants. For us to mingle and socialise again.
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
It's really not. Many developers did it before and do it today, thanks to conference systems and collab suites like GitHub. Developing games is actually probably the best example of where working from home works most efficiently, now that the short term issues have essentially been reduced.

No they didn't.

The fact is that the overwhelming majority of people working in the industry worked in-office or in other business spaces prior to this changed being forced upon them by covid.

Like I said, the bigger the project, the bigger the team, the more of a hassle it is to organize ad-hoc meetings. Do you honestly think there isn't a time cost to contacting someone digitally versus simply wandering over to the desk and having a word?

Not to mention not every remote worker has the wherewithal to manage their own time and space. What if you have a family? What if you have small kids who want attention? What if you have less space and facilities to do your stuff in without impediment or any sort of distraction? Conversely if you live alone do you want to spend your entire day in solitude?

Its fucking bullshit. Most people simply didn't sign up for this.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
A lot of middle managers that are unwilling to admit that they’re bad managers. They’re passing the buck, as per the usual. They’re incapable of providing honest feedback to their subordinates and holding them accountable as a requirement of their own job. They don’t clearly communicate expectations and timelines, and make up bullshit reasons why things aren’t working. Notice how you don’t see any specific scenarios at an individual level, it’s all percentages and generalities.

Middle management loves to fall back on time-honored platitudes such as “this new generation doesn’t want to work” like every other generation before them. They talk a big game, but they can’t even do their own job properly, i.e. manage their performers and slackers accordingly. So they find an external reason for organizational failure. Unilaterally blaming WFH is the new hotness for middle management incompetence. It’s a hell of a lot easier to do one-size-fits-all solutions than to identify and resolve problems at an individual level. Lets them absolve themselves of responsibility.

TLDR most modern managers are lazy.
Maybe some are lazy. But think of it like parent and child. Managers call the shots. If they can figure out how to go back to the office like pre-covid it cant be hard for anyone else to do the same. If someone wants to adjust their personal life style during WFH in such a way they dont want to or cant, thats their problem to figure out. Not the company or any other coworker. Dont adjust your sleeping habit so you can only get up at 9 am, dont move to a new house 2 hours away, and get back. How it can be that impossible to go bac 2 days a week when everyone else (including them pre covid) can figure out how to go 5 days a week cant be that hard to solve.

Managers and parents will give their workers and children more freedom if they do well. But when they act like children you get treated like a child. Nothing will boost a company's profits and manager bonuses more than giant profits. The amount of cost cutting any company can do banishing all office leases and selling owned buildings would lead to the biggest bonuses ever. But they dont.

At least with family life and issues it is contained within a family.

When you got lazy ass WFH people who dont show up, cant get a hold of and dont want to speak up in meetings because they are anti-social, guess who gets the axe first? Not managers or VPs. The point of work is to get the job done and that involves working with people, being collaborative and not being hidden behind a screen. Maybe if someone is a lone wolf tax analyst they can sit by themselves all day and it makes no difference, but this thread originates from video game making. You'd think making a game is a team work kind of thing. And that means getting back to meeting people face to face.
 

ProtoByte

Weeb Underling
Couldn't said it better about the whole loyality thing. It's corporate brainwashing at its best.

It's also wery weird to me that people here are defending work from office with productivity stats. It's been decades since workers were properly compensated for increase in their productivity:
BKRBljm.png
You really think that 64.6% gain in the last 44 years is solely down to the worker and not the massive computerized capital?
 

ProtoByte

Weeb Underling
You don't have to be an unsympathetic dick. Many people rebuilt their whole lives around WFH
A lot of people rebuilt a lot around the so called "emergency" pandemic response. Swallow that, and acknowledge that it is now the reason the world economy is on the brink of collapse.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
A lot of people rebuilt a lot around the so called "emergency" pandemic response. Swallow that, and acknowledge that it is now the reason the world economy is on the brink of collapse.
I know at work 5 people who moved far out. Their commute is now at minimum 1.5 hours each way. One guy is close to 2 hrs. Probably more people I dont know about. They should count their lucky ass stars my work is pretty lax and they have to come to the office 1 day per week. They are ok with commuting 1 day per week.

When I ask them what if the company changes to 3 or 5 day weeks. Then what?

Their answer is either, they'll cross that road when it happens or they'll look for another job that allows remote work. In other words, not really any concrete plans. Its not like you can just wake up one day and change to a good remote job immediately. So what will happen is my office will at some point get to mandatory 3-5 days in the office (which it will because the CEO told me one on one it's coming) and shit will hit the fan. All because they took advantage during covid banking housing gains from desperate sellers, or they moved to a bigger house with the same cost as the place they sold in the core. So looks like they are gainers already. But always looking for more. And they want work and colleagues to conform to their personal life choices.

Then you got the people who are like: But I can babysit my kids at home now. I dont have to pay for daycare or babysitters anymore. I can work and babysit my kids at the same time. So I'm supposed to go back to paying for babysitters?
 
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John Marston

GAF's very own treasure goblin
Weak ass bitches. I swear, game developers are some of the whiniest and entitled workforces around.
I mentioned a couple of times I work in game dev.

Nowadays my shifts have been normal the last 8 years.
But between 2005 and 2012 I did a lot of overtime and 24 hour shifts. It was fun but crazy.
I enjoyed it because we were all working together and pushing quality content. I was also younger 😊

I also remember feeling a bit sorry for myself during a shit week then suddenly looked out the window and saw 4 dudes spreading hot tar on a roof in the middle of a scorching July day.

So yeah, overall we have it easy 🙂
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Not to mention not every remote worker has the wherewithal to manage their own time and space. What if you have a family? What if you have small kids who want attention? What if you have less space and facilities to do your stuff in without impediment or any sort of distraction?
The answer you get is: "Well, I'm at home and dont have to commute or get washed and dressed for work. I'm more refreshed and can focus more on work.

Well that's funny because a lot of them are at the same time trying to take care of kids at home. Their spouse might there too working from home, in which you can hear their family or pets in the background like it's a party. Wow, sounds to me they're such great multitaskers doing everything at once. Well, if they're so great doing home life and work life at the same time, then go to work and focus 100% of that energy on work. That;s what your paid for those 8-9 hours. Not to split it between babysitting and dogwalking. So if it's that easy to do everything at the same being so refreshed doing better quality work, then do it at the office with coworkers working together. The quality of work should be even better because now they can devote their work time to work.
 

ProtoByte

Weeb Underling
I will not, thanks. Of course you view management from the parent/child lens.

Just know that positional power commands nothing more than the bare minimum. You inspire no one, you get minimum compliance, and you can expect mediocrity at best.
Your manager isn't on GAF, dude. You're venting at someone you don't know.
 

taylor34

Neo Member
I'm really surprised at all the venom towards WFH people in this thread. Why? Do you hate your roofer because he doesn't have to go into an office? Or the mom that came up with a small business (like hairdresser) to run from her house? What's the difference?

The only reason people are being forced back into the office is that most managers are incapable of measuring work other than bodies in seats. It's embarrassing. Somehow the culture in the office sector has gone from the point of "what did you get done" to "make sure you're here 8 to 5". It's not even about work getting done, it's just about control, and companies flexing their ability to control you. You don't get to be CEO of company without a big desire to control everything, so when people were getting things done just as well as they did in the office I think upper management started to freak out a little a couple years into this...like if people can do work fine without constant oversight, are they needed? Companies made promises, people moved, and now they're going back on all of their promises for who knows why. The one thing is clear with all of this, the companies should have waited until their financial results were bad until doing it...by bringing people back when profits were at records in early 2022 and now they're starting to suck, it's not making a good case for why things needed to go back to pre-2020.

It's just a big waste of resources for everyone. Waste of time for people who don't need to be there, and a waste of money for both companies (office space) and people (commuting).

These companies are not your friends. None of them are. So why defend them? Only care about your company as much as they care about you. Don't be hating on people who learned skills that allow them to work remote, most of them had to rack up serious college debt and studies to achieve it.
 

The Stig

Banned
Welcome to the real world entitled babies.

Instead of treating 3.5 years of covid WFH as a super long temporary perk where you saved on commute time and spending money on gas, eating out and impressing people with new clothes, it's time to get your ass to the office. Most people still had to slog it to work even during covid wearing masks, using sanitizer stations and all, instead of waking up at 8:55 am to log into your corporate PC by 9 am.

No company would had ever put in writing covid WFH is a permanent thing for life. Even companies giving up the lease forcing workers to be at home, they might change their minds 5 years later and sign up for new office space.

Some people must be super anti-social not wanting to see or chat with coworkers. Let me guess. They all claim to be the most productive workers being lone wolves at home. Saving time on commuting, wasting money, ohhh and ahhhh I'm so much more refreshed and productive.

My company had a 2 year mandatory WFH, but a lot of us were itching to go back. There's only so many awful MS Teams meetings with people who never go on cam and dopey 2 minute icebreaker jokes where everyone on screen is staring in bordeom you can take.

who hurt you?
 

The Stig

Banned
There's so much cringe in this thread

REMOTE WORK IS ACTUAL WORK.

REMOTE WORK IS REAL WORK.

Listen, if some of y'all like going to the office and working with folks there's nothing wrong with that. You have my support. But I don't understand why y'all act like EVERYONE should have the same opinion that you have. There are perks to working from home. This is an undeniable fact. Companies didn't go out of business during the pandemic when people worked from home. In fact, many companies saw an increase in productivity. My company is one of them (one of the largest companies in north america). In fact, we sold our local office to save the money on the building lease and we're STILL productive.

"Oh, but company culture..."
"If I have to do it then everyone should have to do it..."
"You're not even working if you don't go into an office..."

Some of you need to learn to accept change and open your mind to more possibilities that just what you've been doing all your lives. You can WFH, get your work done, and then you can have friends/acquaintances/a life OUTSIDE OF WORK.

Also, I completely agree with everyone saying how awful open floorplan offices are. Why? Because I've done that too. It sucks.
I feel like half the people in this thread are managers trying to justify their real estate purchases by trying to make it look glamourous and belittle WFH.
YES

THIS.

MBA majors saying,
When I had to pull my development teams back into the office it was based on data pulled from performance monitoring software and burndown rates. Only 22% of the team members were as productive or more productive working from home, mostly team leads picking up slack for their teams. 78% of team members had lower productivity based on their burndown metrics. I noticed the productivity drop off kept getting worse over time instead of leveling off after a 6-month adjustment period for work from home transition, so the company pushed tracking software to their laptops that I could use to see what they were doing on their laptops at any time I needed to. I could see when they were logged in, what applications were running, and I could get screenshots of what's on their monitors if I needed to.

The 78% were all self-reporting via engagement surveys that working from home was making them as-productive or more productive, but in reality they were not working as much or delivering as much. The burndown rates proved it. Then I saw why burndown rates were suffering. Some would log in to their laptops in the morning, open the thing they were supposed to be working on, and do nothing until they closed their laptops at the end of the day. Some would work half the day. Some would only work a few hours in morning or the evening, presumably working around caring for kids st home all day and not being able to work. Some would only log in for morning standup, then would go completely offline and try to cram everything in the day before demos.

Ended up firing 4 people after conversations about their performance and expectations didn't help. All of them were virtually unreachable during the workday or would answer calls from places like the grocery store, the beach, or some bike trail where they didn't have access to their work. All 4 were offended when I showed that I saw they weren't working and that I needed them to be available to their team members between 9 am and 4 pm. Fired one person for watching porn and listening to anime soundtracks via youtube on his company laptop all day. He said he was doing his work on his personal laptop while watching porn on his company laptop because he didn't want his wife to check his laptop and ask why his browser history was cleared. Using personal equipment for company business breaks our SOX compliance rules.

Now I run a hybrid schedule now where people are in the office two days per week for design, collab and demos. The teams decided themselves that If someone misses their burndown targets without a valid reason that their full team will have to work in the office every day for the next sprint. It keeps them engaged and communicating with each other and self-regulating because nobody wants to be the person that makes everyone come in. They keep their performance up to where it was pre-covid when they were in the office full time.
that post was pretty funny but not worth it
 

gatti-man

Member
They just want people to quit. Cheaper than unemployment.

To those saying remote is more productive. It isn’t. Companies saw an INITIAL boost in productivity however that was short lived and most people are highly distracted at home and not productive. YOU might be more productive but the majority are not. Businesses don’t just force employees back without reason en mass.
 
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Celcius

°Temp. member
They just want people to quit. Cheaper than unemployment.

To those saying remote is more productive. It isn’t. Companies saw an INITIAL boost in productivity however that was short lived and most people are highly distracted at home and not productive. YOU might be more productive but the majority are not. Businesses don’t just force employees back without reason en mass.
That reason is because they are paying for unused real estate or management is boomers that just want people back, or both.
 

The Stig

Banned
i worked for IBM sytem X and blade server support from 2010-2015.

despite me working with a laptop i worked in an office in Smyrna, GA.

January 28, 2014. the snowpocalypse was coming and we were given VPN logins ahead of time and I got to work a weekend from home.

I then realized I could and SHOULD have been able to work from home years ago. (which I am doing now)

fuck off you bootstrap twat office managers. Go to a police academy
 
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The Stig

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No I don't think so. I just can't feel any sympathy for these folks. Working at home 3 days a week and in office 2 days a week sounds like a dream come true to me.

I also just feel like working at home is no good for a modern society. There is far too many distractions. A 20-30 year old today, will not have the same productivity at home if they were working in an office.
go lick them boots.
 
The longer this thread goes on is more proof you need to get back to the office! Wasting time complaining still.. sheesh. The foundation of our workforce was not built upon sitting on your fat keisters. Just because your job is pretending to update spreadsheets or something doesnt mean you dont have to be physically present! Cant have your cake and eat it too, my boomer colleagues always say. Your corporate family needs you, and youre being selfish.

Quit with the these elaborate justifications to stay at home! Its not working!

Any further insolence will be categorized as the new communist rebellion, those who seek to undermine progress under the guise of remote productivity. All a sham!
 

Sushi_Combo

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The longer this thread goes on is more proof you need to get back to the office! Wasting time complaining still.. sheesh. The foundation of our workforce was not built upon sitting on your fat keisters. Just because your job is pretending to update spreadsheets or something doesnt mean you dont have to be physically present! Cant have your cake and eat it too, my boomer colleagues always say. Your corporate family needs you, and youre being selfish.

Quit with the these elaborate justifications to stay at home! Its not working!

Any further insolence will be categorized as the new communist rebellion, those who seek to undermine progress under the guise of remote productivity. All a sham!
Working just fine for myself, the team & my manager. :messenger_beaming:
 
The longer this thread goes on is more proof you need to get back to the office! Wasting time complaining still.. sheesh. The foundation of our workforce was not built upon sitting on your fat keisters. Just because your job is pretending to update spreadsheets or something doesnt mean you dont have to be physically present! Cant have your cake and eat it too, my boomer colleagues always say. Your corporate family needs you, and youre being selfish.

Quit with the these elaborate justifications to stay at home! Its not working!

Any further insolence will be categorized as the new communist rebellion, those who seek to undermine progress under the guise of remote productivity. All a sham!
lol, love to see the rage of the blue collar worker on display :messenger_tears_of_joy:
Nope. you can keep working like a slave like this was 1905 all you want, i am and will keep working from my comfy house from now until the end of time. And I will make sure anyone working in my teams will do exactly the same.
 
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