Onlinehero
Member
Well to be fair doesn't it enable downclocking as well? Does it say OVERCLOCK YEAH BRO!! on the box? (not saying it isn't why people buy it!)
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Intel responds to i7-7700K high temp. issue tells owners they shouldn't overclock
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Yeah, is this an issue with a new stepping or something? I've been hearing the 7700K recommended glowingly for months
The more I read the OP, the less I think it matches the thread title.
I mean their sources are a few forum users.
Where are the widespread overheating complaints? Why did none of the major tech sites report this first?
"Overclock Your CPU with Unlocked Intel® Processors" -- official Intel advertising
Pagusas
Elden Member
I'm wondering this too. I know the 6700k's were extremely hit and miss with voltage and thermals. My friend can hit 4.8ghz on 1.36vcore. I need 1.425 to hit 4.7! Can't even hit 4.8.
Zombie James
Banned
Maybe they should go back to soldiering on the heatspreader like they used to before switching to that cheap thermal paste shit. You know, back when they weren't the most stagnant tech company outside of Apple.
Hey jackass, If you don't wanna watch, don't watch it. Leaving a flame-bait comment that adds nothing to the discussion is not constructive at all.
Unknown Soldier
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Diablohead
Member
I have a 6500 and was thinking about 7700k at my next upgrade in the future, probably not any longer.
Onlinehero
Member
Well, there it is.
Pagusas
Elden Member
do people believe this? I see no sign of AMD breathing down their necks, and they most certainly werent doing it when the 7700k launched. Zen was just a guessing game at that time, and AMD has been nothing but a miserable POS on hitting expectation, let alone never ever exceeding them in the last 10 years. Even after, I'd dare say Zen did nothing more than meet, if slightly disappoint on what everyone expected.
Intel already made an official reply on their community forums, which matches the thread title.
Intel said:
Unknown Soldier
Member
Just to be clear: Nobody recommends overclocking past stock frequencies or removing the IHS. Nobody will cover a CPU damaged by those things under warranty. None of this is new news. OCing has always been at your own risk, and no frequencies are guaranteed except the stock ones.
You're welcome to try blowing an AMD CPU up from OCing it and see if they'll cover it under warranty. (Spoiler: They won't.)
You're welcome to try blowing an AMD CPU up from OCing it and see if they'll cover it under warranty. (Spoiler: They won't.)
It is. Both Intel and AMD have had implied and explicit marketing towards overclocking their products. Neither will guarantee your warranty under those conditions, outside the scope of Intel's Processor Tuning Plan.
Apart from the usual voided CPU small print warnings, I don't recall either outwardly making a statement in this way, advising users to leave stock a product they specifically market for overclocking prowess.
The 4c/8t X299 HEDT i7 7740K should be telling in this regard. Will it match the other X299 parts, or be closer to Kaby Lake TIM?
Along with a more full-featured platform, using higher quality interface should lead to a greater number of samples clocking into ~4.8-5.2GHz range with reasonable 24/7 temps and volts, without requiring a delid.
Brand recognition is a firewall for many things. As for the bold, lower costs are obviously more likely to increase your chances for higher profits.
Is it possible that these temps really aren't spiking? Has anyone used some sensor to detect if they really are spiking?
I have almost zero knowledge of solid state physics, but can anyone say if this is even really possible? If so, what could even cause this?
I suppose some sort of faulty voltage regulation, but would the heat dissipate so quickly afterwards too?
Anyways, seems really strange. I haven't seen anything like this at all on my overclocked Skylake build.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Intel still could have used more appropriate language, such as "we only guarantee thermal compliance and stable operation at stock voltage and frequencies. Anything over those we are not responsible for thermal and stable issues"
That way they aren't saying "don't do it" they are saying "we made it to work at this standard, anything off that is your own business and we have nothing to do with it"
GhostTrick
Banned
"Don't overclock the CPU we made you pay an extra 50 bucks to allow overclocking on it and the extra 150 bucks motherboard to overclock it because of arbitrary limitations on our end to make people pay more." :""")
What A Time To Be Alive
Member
Uh what? No, not at all. Outside of gaming at 1080p, Ryzen matches if not bests Intel in terms of price to performance in the CPU market now.
The only relevant Intel CPU now is the 7700k. In the i5 bracket I would not recommend any i5 processors and in the High End bracket I would not recommend any LGA 2011 chips unless you need all those DIMM slots or PCI lanes.
Sounds like I made the right call building a new PC 15 months ago with a 6700K instead. Although I'm lazy and don't overclock , I just assumed that the K series being intended for OCing would also be a slightly higher quality component compared to the non K (like, they only take the best chips off the line to slap the K on the box).
Sucks for those out there that DID invest the hundreds of dollars into a brand new 7700K only to be unable to crank that shit up to it's limits without melting the chip though.
Sucks for those out there that DID invest the hundreds of dollars into a brand new 7700K only to be unable to crank that shit up to it's limits without melting the chip though.
VibratingDonkey
Member
They should perhaps have told people that before they became owners.
Case for a lawsuit here? Seems not fit for purpose to me. Overclocking is the entire reason for the existence of K models. It's what they sell these things on and why people buy them.
Case for a lawsuit here? Seems not fit for purpose to me. Overclocking is the entire reason for the existence of K models. It's what they sell these things on and why people buy them.
Frankfurter
Member
The good thing is that AMD finally has a fine range of CPUs to choose from. Just get whatever Ryzen suits you.
Kudo
Member
Intel should allow peole to delid, it's not the hardest thing to do and it really helps with temps.I just did a 3770k for someone this week.
Nah, they honestly should start selling these without the lid on if they can't be arsed to put in proper paste.
That way there's no risk of breaking as no delid is required and users can put their own stuff between the lid and chip.
Intel should allow peole to delid, it's not the hardest thing to do and it really helps with temps.I just did a 3770k for someone this week.
Either allow it, sell it delided, or soldier them like they used to. I'd prefer soldierd CPUs myself.
Dictator93
Member
Yeah, this is so absurd that you basically cannot make it up. Tsk tsk tsk Intel. I hope the enthusiast press is reaming them.
It's strange that this is getting traction now. Maybe some sort of anti-intel campaign? This CPU was released in January -- such complaints should have been addressed then. This info has also been pretty common knowledge anyways...this has been an issue since Ivy Bridge when they stopped using a soldered on TIM.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Sorry to interrupt your hate parade but there's an actual technical reason why Intel can't use the solder anymore.
Their dies have gotten so small, even with including an iGPU on every die, that using the solder will create too much uneven thermal stress and the die will crack as it expands if it's soldered to the IHS. That's why they are using thermal paste.
Up until recently, the dies of Xeons and therefore HEDT chips were large enough to keep using the solder. This will also go away with Skylake-X because those are now also so small they run into the same problem. Haswell-E was the last HEDT that was soldered to the IHS.
Soltype
Member
Why did they stop soldering them on?
Intel should allow peole to delid, it's not the hardest thing to do and it really helps with temps.I just did a 3770k for someone this week.
Why should they allow people to delid their CPUs? You can easily break them doing that.
The market changed, the one competitor sells all chips unlocked, and the 7700K is widely recommenced for its superior overclocking headroom for which Intel ask a premium. In this context more complaints now than back in January makes sense.
Bubba_Sparks
Member
I was watching a Linus Tech Tips video the other day and he said that de-liding wasn't worth the effort as it didn't make much - if any - real difference.
limination
Neo Member
It's gotten a LOT easier. Tools like the Rockit are basically fool-proof
A de-lidded 7700k can run like 20 degrees cooler at load
metareferential
Member
I don't get it: there are countless sites around with people benchmarking 5ghz 7700ks and no sign of temp-related complaints. Pushing the thermal envelope will get you higher temps of course.
My cpu has a moderate oc (4,7/4,8) and runs normally. Even our own pc building thread has been quite about this issue.
My cpu has a moderate oc (4,7/4,8) and runs normally. Even our own pc building thread has been quite about this issue.
Bubba_Sparks
Member
They did a test that didn't show any real difference running AIDA-64 and it didn't show much difference. I am going to look into it further to see what the scoop is.
LastGamer84
Member
I'm wondering if they were using after-market coolers? Tech sites like to reuse equipment, so I guess it's possible they used something like a Cooler Master Hyper 612 or something. My temps on the i7-7700k don't go up much, but I'm not using the stock cooler.
Still a dick move by Intel
There is no stock cooler for the 7700k.
LastGamer84
Member
Good point, I forgot about that.
Hey, you can drive. You just shouldn't drive fast.
Company has been shitty on solutions to keep their cpus cool since Ivy bridge. Pretty hit or miss and as they guy says they are fail when a bulldozer at 5ghz has less heat problems.
So going ryzen or whatever amd has after my 3570 and 4690 chips start showing their age. in titles I use which is basically overwatch and poe thse days. Will love it get a decent gaming cpu and upgrade with a much need increase in production performance with more cores.
So going ryzen or whatever amd has after my 3570 and 4690 chips start showing their age. in titles I use which is basically overwatch and poe thse days. Will love it get a decent gaming cpu and upgrade with a much need increase in production performance with more cores.
Soltype
Member
He didn't use much paste, and it wasn't liquid metal either.This guy had good results.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNLubjXKHLs
LimitedTimeGamer
Member
Yeah, i was gonna get one of these for a new rig build. Il wait i think.
Linus can be pretty damn wonky with tech sometimes that I don't put a lot of stock in anything that isn't an opinion about usability. He's definitely wrong here, delidding my i5 4670k knocked down a whole 15 degree during full load. That's with IHS adhesive removed and stock TIM replaced with liquid metal. I'm using a Noctua 120mm heatsink so putting pressure on the IHS is easy.
His results are strange. The only two reasons why I think he got trash results is that he wasn't using liquid metal and that he used that god awful Intel stock cooler with those terrible push pins for the test.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
"This sucks, but what are they going to do? Buy AMD" che roaring evil laughter in Intel HQ.
:/.
I find their "buying unlocked processors we suggest are even greater thanks to overclocking, but please just trust us and do not overclock" to be the usual bullcrap market leaders that feel to have an invincible monopolistic hold on the market would pull to see how much they control their customers or how much weight they do indeed have or just hubris...