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[Gaiff]

That's 3 flops in a row. Not just small flops but colossal disasters. Their last 3 games were Mass Effect: Andromeda, Anthem, and Dragon Age: The Veilguard.

A lot of studios don't survive a single high-profile blunder. BioWare has 3 in a row with nothing to prove that they can be relied on to deliver successful games.

Do they get one last crack at it with the next Mass Effect game, or will EA hand the reins to another studio and erase BioWare or reduce them to a support role?

 

[diffusionx]

I would be surprised if Bioware gets to make another game again.

Like with DA, they got everything, time, money, resources, they were in charge, they made the game they wanted to make, and it totally bombed. When was the last time EA gave a dev that much freedom.

 

[LectureMaster]

The beloved Bioware ended at least 10 years ago.

Right now it's just a hollow shell filled with activists.

 

[Puscifer]

They've been dead since Dragon Age 2 and you know it.

 

[MayauMiao]

How can you say its the end of BioWare when that happened years ago?

 

[JayK47]

They will survive with remasters and remakes.

But honestly, I hope they get shut down. This BS needs to stop.

 

[TintoConCasera]

What a way to fuck it up man.

They nailed Star Wars KOTOR, Mass Effect 1-3 were amazing RPG-lites and the same could be said about Dragon Age, even if it's sequels were less consistent in quality.

Now we'll be left we no Dragon Age and no Mass Effect. Fuck man, I loved those "easy to get into" RPGs.

 

[Antwix]

They will learn from their mistakes and make Mass Effect great again

/copium

 

[bender]

they died after Shadows of Amn.

 

[pudel]

Now we'll be left we no Dragon Age and no Mass Effect. Fuck man, I loved those "easy to get into" RPGs.

Every end is the beginning of something new.

 

[Alebrije]

Its been dead for years...key peopple left ago, similar to the current state of Obsidian.

 

[Kacho]

Its been dead for years...key peopple left ago, similar to the current state of Obsidian.

And Blizzard

 

[Madflavor]

I've been waiting for almost 13 years for them to die. Never forgave them for ME3.

 

[LectureMaster]

What a way to fuck it up man.

They nailed Star Wars KOTOR, Mass Effect 1-3 were amazing RPG-lites and the same could be said about Dragon Age, even if it's sequels were less consistent in quality.

Now we'll be left we no Dragon Age and no Mass Effect. Fuck man, I loved those "easy to get into" RPGs.

 

[Aenima]

The beloved Bioware ended at least 10 years ago.

Right now it's just a hallow shell filled with activists.

This. The good old Bioware is long gone for some time.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

Not just the flops. Have you seen the time in-between games too?

That's alot of years developing flops.

 

[mèx]

They have been dead for a while. I mean, it's a completely different studio now.

I still have some glimmer of hope for the next Mass Effect, but at this point I don't care much anymore.

 

[Jaybe]

 

[FubukiJ]

Most of the people responsible for the golden age of Bioware are long gone. It's impossible to recapture that. They've gone from a group of fantasy game developers to a group of wannabe activists.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I'm honestly surprised EA hasn't euthanized them yet. Someone at BioWare must have some serious dirt on EA executives

 

[ungalo]

as we knew them, it was over 10 years ago OP

 

[Lord Malachite]

If EA doesn't kill them after a hat trick of flops then clearly they want to fail. Bioware has been a reanimated corpse for a decade. There is nothing left of them, not even to die with dignity. The more anyone pretends they can return to what made them great, the longer and harder they will deny all reality to their own detriment, including EA.

There's nothing left to mourn for. Let's stop giving the activist attention whores in charge at Bioware what they crave and move on.

 

[xrnzaaas]

I would be surprised if Bioware gets to make another game again.

Like with DA, they got everything, time, money, resources, they were in charge, they made the game they wanted to make, and it totally bombed. When was the last time EA gave a dev that much freedom.

There's just one tiny thing missing called talent. And that's been gone for many many years.

 

[squidilix]

That's.... 3 flops.... in row?

 

[Schmendrick]

You`re about 10 years too late with that question.

 

[BaneIsPain]

You gotta give some credit to EA show some "restrain" not to close down this studio.

 

[Loomy]

The Bioware that existed up to Mass Effect 3 has long been gone. This has been a new studio using an old name for a long time now.

The sad thing with Bioware is they've lost so much confidence(and EA in them) that they keep retreading old ground. Anthem, for all it's messy Jank and late alpha level completedness, was an interesting idea with potential. They just had to actually spend time finishing it with a planned content roadmap before they launched it.

Since that tanked(on the heels of Andromeda), they re-released ME1-3(great package), a Dragon Age game no one apparently wanted, and now ME5.

You have a bunch of new people making games the old people were passionate about, no wonder they're half hearted efforts. They should let these new people make the games they want to make.

 

[semiconscious]

if it's the bioware name itself that has had any value for ea up till now, i'd think it no longer does at this point...

 

[Complistic]

Names too big to close imo, but I also can't see papa EA letting them burn through more cash so who knows.

When's the last time they actually made money?

 

[ConkerTheSquirrel.]

They used to be the pride of Alberta (where I'm from), but now?

LOL

 

[Moriarty1889]

The beloved Bioware ended at least 10 years ago.

Right now it's just a hollow shell filled with activists.

So true. So much of entertainment has been ruined with morons and their political agendas.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

That's why a GAAS studio should never make a single player game.

Once you go GAAS you never go back.

 

[simpatico]

Names too big to close imo, but I also can't see papa EA letting them burn through more cash so who knows.

When's the last time they actually made money?

EA is probably trying to figure out how they can preserve the Bioware name/IP but just staff it with all new people. The problem is no one with the passion and capability of making a successful game the size of Mass Effect wants to pour that much work into someone else's shit. And for that reason, Bioware is dead. Been dead. I think the last 3 games are Bioware trying to do what I just described.

 

[RoboFu]

I don't know the current BioWare. They are not the same BioWare I grew up with.

 

[SHA]

Mass effect is secured though it's obvious they're becoming the next ABK.

 

[lmimmfn]

BioWare? They no longer exist since ME3, technically ME2 due to the crap ME3 ending.

 

[Labadal]

The BioWare that I knew died after Mass Effect 1.

 

[StereoVsn]

That's 3 flops in a row. Not just small flops but colossal disasters. Their last 3 games were Mass Effect: Andromeda, Anthem, and Dragon Age: The Veilguard.

A lot of studios don't survive a single high-profile blunder. BioWare has 3 in a row with nothing to prove that they can be relied on to deliver successful games.

Do they get one last crack at it with the next Mass Effect game, or will EA hand the reins to another studio and erase BioWare or reduce them to a support role?

Oh, ME is going to be same sort of slop as Andromeda and Veilguard. After all it's the same people working on it as on all these disasters.

 

[near]

They've been dead for awhile now, and probably should stay dead. There was also an exodus of key staff from the studio who went and formed Archetype Entertainment, their first project is Exodus lol.

 

[rubik's dude]

I mean, BioWare releasing Veilguard and Volition releasing the Saints Row reboot are giving me similar vibes. Volition attacked their fans, leading up to and after the release of their game as well, and we know what happened to Volition after that.

 

[K' Dash]

most of those "legendary studios" are just names now.

 

[StereoVsn]

I'm honestly surprised EA hasn't euthanized them yet. Someone at BioWare must have some serious dirt on EA executives

Yep, we are talking about over $500-600 million lost and on top of that opportunity loss.

Imagine if they spent those $500-600 mil on actually good 3 games. The delta is probably around $1bil.

I really can't understand why any sort of a director or writer is employed there. From technical standpoint, Veilguard was competent, but everyone else besides actual programmers and environmental designers should have been kicked out.

 

[ebevan91]

That's.... 3 flops.... in row?

I can't believe Bioware thought hiring a bunch of inexperienced developers/artists/etc. for their C team to create Andromeda was going to work out well for them.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Yep, we are talking about over $500-600 million lost and on top of that opportunity loss.

Imagine if they spent those $500-600 mil on actually good 3 games. The delta is probably around $1bil.

I really can't understand why any sort of a director or writer is employed there. From technical standpoint, Veilguard was competent, but everyone else besides actual programmers and environmental designers should have been kicked out.

I think their upper management is clueless too.

Dragon Age 4 started as a single player game, then they canceled it and started development on a live service Dragon Age that was supposed to share components with Anthem. Then when Anthem bombed they retooled DA4 into a single player game. It's kind of a miracle it even got released.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Can they remaster KOTOR or is there licensing shit that stops them? They need something like that to stem the tide and get some fans back.

 

[Jigsaah]

Mass Effect Andromeda marked the beginning of the end. Right now they are developing the next Mass Effect. I want them to succeed honestly. I'm not confident whoever is left at the studio can make a product like the original team had.


A video basically explaining when 150 senior devs left the studio

 

[Skifi28]

I don't think they've been the Bioware that we know of for a while now.

 

[TommyCronin6969]

 

[Rickyiez]

BioWare is just a name for the RPG department in EA. The activists and agenda all stems from EA I'm surprised you guys didn't see this. The original BioWare was long gone.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

And the sad part is these games could've went the other direction with simply proper leadership.

Andromeda after anthem and veilguard actually looks pretty minor in it's issues, they could've done some fine tuning and Andromeda ultimately wouldn't have been so bad.

Anthem at one point when the loot valve was opened seemed like it was gonna turn the corner and then like idiots they turned it off, dead.

And veilguard... They just couldn't help virtue signaling to the 0.1 percent. The game itself while not amazing wasn't bad, it was ruined by taash. Take her out and it isn't great but it isn't awful either.

I agree tho bioware is gone, it's time to lean on the ex bioware dev projects