Food for Thought…is buying high end PC videocard dumb?

Wolzard

Member
It's a personal decision, for me it's not worth it, I prefer to make investments, to have quality of life as I get older.

I understood that having things in mid-range is the sweet spot.

Having a mid-range GPU, like the 60 and 70 series, Nvidia or AMD, or mid-range 6-core CPUs is the sweet spot. You have something that is much better than the low-end but not much worse than the high-end.
 

Sybrix

Member
In my view, buying a $2000+ card every year is idiotic for a 10/20 fps boost if you're lucky.

I buy cards now every 5 years, had my 1080 for nearly 7 years and really stood the test of time.

I brought a 3080 along with a new CPU 2 years ago and will likley keep it for the next 3 years at least, probably longer. I game at 1440p with max settings if possible, i don't buy many new games now, i play a lot of older games so the most up to date tech isnt something i need year on year.
 
Even if you have the disposable income, my answer is that it is dumb, but with a caveat that buying GPUs at all right now is dumb. The reason I say this is that NVIDIA is one of the greediest companies on the planet, and these GPUs are only being sold at the price point they are at because people keep buying them. I don't begrudge you your 4090 or 5090, OverHeat OverHeat , but you are contributing to the astronomical price for GPUs, and NVIDIA is only going to be able to sell them at greater and greater prices as long as people keep buying them.

I thought the 3090 price was ridiculous, and the only reason I bought it was because I was able to sell my RTX 2080 TI for $1300 of the $1600 MSRP, and I was able to find the 3090 at MSRP. That was when the GPU shortage was in full-swing, and I probably could have got even more out of it if I hadn't included a Buy It Now option on the eBay listing. Without that, I would have stuck with the 2080 TI because $1,600 is a retarded price to pay for a graphics card.

Having said all of this, my solution (that people stop buying GPUs until NVIDIA gets their shit together and prices them at a reasonable value) is unreasonable as there is no way that enough people are going to band together against NVIDIA to make them reconsider their prices. People are impulsive and selfish, and almost everyone thinks something along the lines of, "My purchase doesn't matter. If I don't buy it someone else will, so my boycott is meaningless. I may as well just buy it now."
Nvidia isn’t interested in high end personal GPUs anyhow. Why waste resources when you can throw them in a rack and earn way more. Nvidia just puts the in the 80/90 cards as halo cards not as mainstream devices to make profits. The 50/60 is where they make their money on the consumer GPU side, the higher end is just for marketing.

I don’t see that changing anytime in the future, all AI expenditures are still woefully underpopulated and more resources are needed there. Plus, as the first post highlights, diminishing returns come into play. At what point does the cost difference justify the investment, given that AI improvements continue while node performance sees only marginal gains?
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
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Consoles benefit from economies of scale due to mass production, leading to lower per-unit costs, while PC gaming hardware, due to customizable components, doesn't achieve the same scale, resulting in higher initial costs.
Yes but only initial costs. Will you not spent money on a lot of games? Free online + cheaper games = cheaper overall in the end. :pie_eyeroll:
 
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Yes but only initial costs. Will you not spent money on a lot of games? Free online + cheaper games = cheaper overall in the end. :pie_eyeroll:

Pre-compilation and optimization reduce stuttering issues, but there’s no getting around the fact that console versions are generally more fine-tuned.

When comparing power consumption costs on PC versus online service fees for consoles, the overall expense tends to balance out over time.

I prefer an all-in-one solution where I can just sit in front of the TV without needing extra peripherals or a hybrid keyboard setup.

Back when I primarily gamed on PC, my hardware refresh cycle was much more frequent than console generations. If I break it down as cost per playthrough, consoles actually come out ahead—because let’s be honest, how many people fully complete all their games anymore?

That said, I fully understand the flexibility of PCs—modding, hardware customization, and the ability to mix and match setups offer undeniable advantages. Plus, games are significantly cheaper on PC on average.

What I’m really waiting for is an official Steam OS PC—whether that’s a Steam Deck with an external GPU or an all-in-one box solution that bridges the gap between consoles and PCs.
 

BossLackey

Gold Member
In my view, buying a $2000+ card every year is idiotic for a 10/20 fps boost if you're lucky.

I buy cards now every 5 years, had my 1080 for nearly 7 years and really stood the test of time.

I brought a 3080 along with a new CPU 2 years ago and will likley keep it for the next 3 years at least, probably longer. I game at 1440p with max settings if possible, i don't buy many new games now, i play a lot of older games so the most up to date tech isnt something i need year on year.

This is exactly me. Even down to the 1080-to-3080 and 1440p.

Though I buy new games all the time and outside of terrible optimization (MH: Wilds), I've had ZERO issue running the majority of games at max settings and native res with the 3080.
 
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Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
Is the Ps5 Pro better than a PS5? Specifically Is it worth the extra money?

Its the same fundamental principle as spending the extra $$ on a better GPU, or CPU or whatever really.

Does the same stuff, better to some degree or other, whether the juice is worth the squeeze is up to the person paying.

I'd say with graphics cards it really depends on what the "normal" level is at; as in will the delta in performance make a transformative difference versus what you currently get from most titles. If its a true "step above" then I guess its justified to spend the big bucks on the high-end, but if its really only incrementally better...
Think hard about it.
 

Kvally

Member
it's the second most powerful GPU available
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simpatico

Member
Try demanding games, like wukong, ff16 or ac:s and go back to us :)
My 3080ti is 55% from ur gpu on avg and i cant run those games maxed in 4k(dlss from 1080p just so pixels arent the size of fists ;p)

We can see exactly how ur gpu performs in ff16 maxed 1080p:

I’m lucky to not have interest in many of the games it doesn’t handle. AAA devs helping me out in that way! But FFXVI doesn't look shabby at 1080p. Best purchase I ever made was a 1080p/165hz monitor. No single piece of hardware has ever increased my frames more. I was coming off a 4k living room set up.
 
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64gigabyteram

Reverse groomer.
A XX80 or XX90 series card is not needed, unless you absolutely have to have 4k resolutions, or multiple monitors spanning games. Sweet spot is really the xx60ti or xx70 series cards.
and the 70 class cards cost 7/10 the price of a 1000 dollar gaming PC now.

that's not good.
 

CashPrizes

Member
If you go PC at all you might as well go big. If cutting edge frame rates and ray tracing isn't a priority for you, you should just skip PC altogether and go PS5 and save a lot of money.

Buying a $1500 PC is going to get you PS5 level graphics, maybe PS5pro. You need to go all the way and buy a $3000 PC. If you don't want to spend that much money, just go with PS5 for $500.
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
If you go PC at all you might as well go big. If cutting edge frame rates and ray tracing isn't a priority for you, you should just skip PC altogether and go PS5 and save a lot of money.

Buying a $1500 PC is going to get you PS5 level graphics, maybe PS5pro. You need to go all the way and buy a $3000 PC. If you don't want to spend that much money, just go with PS5 for $500.
Gaming is not only frames and graphics.
 

808mate

Member
It's a waste of money to me, as I think that a lot of the current trends in gaming aren't worth investing the hardware for.
 
You only buy top end hardware if you want to play in resolutions higher than 1440p. That's the whole point of the overhead. I always tell my friends this when they are trying to buy "upgrade" their PC
 

PeteBull

Member
Would you rather fuck a 6 or an 8?
3060 in this case would be a 4(below avg but still fuckable), 4090 would be a 9- prettiest girl in ur highschool/college/area, almost bis , and 5090 would be a straight 10, bis , aka national lvl miss contest winner.
Ofc given the opportunity all of us would fuck all of them, thats in our nature, but given choice of only fucking one, we always go with the hottest one :p

Once again, i fully understand noone of us wanna spend cash on expensive gpu if we cant afford it/can avoid it somehow, especially if some1 plays only on 1080p monitor(not gonna lie, going 4k in 2020 made me highend gpu simp, i simply need all that raw power at higher res, at least 3x more power vs when i was on full hd monitor).

Saying all that 50xx series from nvidia is extremly dissapointing in both performance and prices, and with 5090 add powerdraw on top too, thats the reason i personally didnt buy it even tho i really wanted to, back in jan(changed my whole platform to 9800x3d in march but left 3080ti and waiting till either 5080s/ti with 20-24gigs of vram or 60xx series).

Just to give u my example, here in poland cheapest models of 5080 with bad and superloud cooling(its 360w tdp card after all, needs decent 3fan cooler after all) is 6k pln aka 1546usd

Same lowest model msi ventus 5090 starts from 15k pln aka 3866 usd.

Again- we talking models with worst(hot and loud) cooling systems, which is extremly important for monster tdp cards, and they are still way higher than supposed msrp, in my coutry official msrp for 5080 is 4849pln (1250usd) and for 5090 9599pln (2475usd).
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