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That's according to Meta at least

Meta defends using pirated material, claims it's legal if you don't seed content

Configuration settings were modified "so that the smallest amount of seeding possible could occur".

www.tomshardware.com

 

[Hookshot]

Obviously. Just like it's fine to freely take items from shops as long as you don't sell them later.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Meta claimed in a court filing this week that despite torrenting an 82 TB dataset of pirated, copyrighted material from shadow libraries to train its LLaMA AI models, that employees "took precautions not to "seed" any downloaded files".

Meta's lawyers claim that there are "no facts to show that Meta seeded Plaintiffs' books". This means that the company's defense is pinning hopes on the fact that there isn't currently any proof that Meta shared the material during the torrenting process.

Though Meta claims that there is no evidence of seeding, Michael Clark, an executive at Meta in charge of project management testified that the configuration settings they were using were modified "so that the smallest amount of seeding possible could occur".

So basically it's okay to pirate shit as long as you are a large organization, but if I download a copy of Honey I Shrunk the Kids, I owe Disney millions if dollars.

" Rules for thee and not for me " in full effect here.

 

[Mistake]

It's not copyright infringement, but it is theft

 

[xrnzaaas]

You can't completely avoid seeding when using torrents, you can limit how much you're uploading, but you can still be targetted if you don't use a VPN. It all depends on your country's approach to torrents and tracking potentially illegal downloads - you may be fine, but you may as well receive a warning letter from you ISP (or worse).

Services like rapidshare used to be a "safe" alternative, because you were only downloading and wasn't sharing in any way. Plus it was the site's responsibility to ensure it is hosting legal content, not yours. The problem was that it technically wasn't free unless you were okay with awfully slow download speeds for free users.

 

[LordCBH]

I…don’t think that’s how that works, Zucky-cuck.

 

[od-chan]

That's actually always been the dominant legal theory in lots of places. Downloading isn't the issue, it's sharing. It's the same principle with drugs. Consuming them isn't illegal per se in a lot of places, it's the sharing (not even selling, just sharing).

But obviously this kind of argument wasn't meant so that companies would download data and then use that to generate profits. That's clearly a licensing issue of some kind.

 

[bender]

But how would you download if somewhere weren't doing something illegal (seeding)?

 

[chakadave]

It's not copyright infringement, but it is theft

Theft is property that is rightfully owned by person A and person B takes it.

copyright is an antiquated "right" given by a monarch.

Find a better way to monetize your properties.

 

[AJUMP23]

I have stolen what you had rightfully fleeced.

 

[Yoda]

They aren't wrong, successful prosecutions of "consumer" torrent users are virtually non existing, usually the ppl in this category at best get scared the X companies legal depart to pay a fine and apologize.

 

[Mistake]

Theft is property that is rightfully owned by person A and person B takes it.

copyright is an antiquated "right" given by a monarch.

Find a better way to monetize your properties.

I read more on them, and honestly both seem to fit, so I really don't know. What I DO know is that distributing copyrighted material is what they usually get you on, so it's bad to upload. They see it the same as selling bootlegs, even though it's no different from having a public folder exposed to the internet.

Copyright Infringement vs Theft: How to Tell Them Apart?

By learning the differences between copyright infringement and theft, it will help you keep your creations safe for your audience and avoid legal headaches.

www.copyrighted.com

 

[TGO]

It's not the downloading it's the sharing that the crime.
This has been known for years.
Although like people have said, you need to share to download.
You have to the only person downloading it to get through that loop hole.

 

[SpiceRacz]

What you are specifically downloading can't be seen by your ISP unless you're torrenting.

 

[Danknugz]

i haven't torrented in forever, but iirc, it's slower, but you can configure it to only download and not participate in seeding. generally people who seed/host/share are the ones who get DMCA'd/prosecuted.

older tech like usenet was always safe unless you uploaded yourself. not saying it wasn't stealing but in the eyes of the law you weren't targeted.

 

[Kilau]

This is how I imagine the lawyer arguing this in court.

 

[HoodWinked]

unfortunately China doesn't give a shit about any of this and has been scraping data from everywhere even directly from OpenAi API to train their models. copyright only hamstringing American companies is not ideal.

 

[Dacvak]

Oh thank god. Finally, my asshole, non-seeding tendencies are coming in clutch!

 

[jason10mm]

82 terabytes, huh? Well, the sum total of all human knowledge and culture is only 4 TB, the rest of that was hentai and porn.

 

[BlackTron]

82 terabytes, huh? Well, the sum total of all human knowledge and culture is only 4 TB, the rest of that was hentai and porn.

They are planning for the Metaverse relaunch to succeed this time.

 

[bender]

82 terabytes, huh? Well, the sum total of all human knowledge and culture is only 4 TB, the rest of that was hentai and porn.

But hentai and porn are Topher 's culture.

 

[Fbh]

So if you've got a Meta Quest just pirate all your software I guess. It's ok as long as you don't seed guys !

 

[MMaRsu]

Although like people have said, you need to share to download.

How is that true?

 

[TGO]

How is that true?

The moment you start downloading you start sharing what you've downloaded, it's how p2p works.
What you think the Upload is?
That's why you get incomplete downloads, because the only person seeding doesn't have the complete file because they haven't completed the download.
The more people sharing the faster the download.

 

[MMaRsu]

The moment you start downloading you start sharing what you've downloaded, it's how p2p works.
What you think the Upload is?
That's why you get incomplete downloads, because the only person seeding doesn't have the complete file because they haven't completed the download.
The more people sharing the faster the download.

You can just disable sharing anything in your program, if it's a torrent your talking about. You don't need to upload to download anything.

There's other ways to download as well, where you're not sharing.

 

[winjer]

Obviously. Just like it's fine to freely take items from shops as long as you don't sell them later.

And here is the biggest misconception about piracy and theft. That they are the same thing.
The reality, is that theft is one sort of crime and piracy is a different sort.
Piracy is a matter of copyright law.

 

[willothedog]

That's why you get incomplete downloads, because the only person seeding doesn't have the complete file because they haven't completed the download.

a 'seeder' has the complete version of the file(s)

 

[Trilobit]

Obviously. Just like it's fine to freely take items from shops as long as you don't sell them later.

I'm learning so much today!