TurtleSnatcher
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ziran said:
OH SHIT LA BOMBA LOLOLOLOLOL IM FUNNY /sarcasm
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Japan charts: Media Create 22 - 28 Aug
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OH SHIT LA BOMBA LOLOLOLOLOL IM FUNNY /sarcasm
C- Warrior
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Actually, this would imply Dawn of Sorrow was a success (I STRESS, comparatively speaking in relation to the earlier GBA installments)
Aria of Sorrow was on GBA (much higher penatration than DS) and sold marginally better.
As long as the series is on the rise than all is well as far as Konami is concerned. I doubt the budget for Dawn of Sorrow was significantly higher than Aria either. But then again, franchise games always get a nice boost from new hardware, this is obvious, and probably the biggest reason why it sold well compartively. Everybody wants a new game for their newly bought system, regardless if they were big fans or not of the previous titles. This obviously applies to 360 and PS3 as well.
Aria of Sorrow was on GBA (much higher penatration than DS) and sold marginally better.
As long as the series is on the rise than all is well as far as Konami is concerned. I doubt the budget for Dawn of Sorrow was significantly higher than Aria either. But then again, franchise games always get a nice boost from new hardware, this is obvious, and probably the biggest reason why it sold well compartively. Everybody wants a new game for their newly bought system, regardless if they were big fans or not of the previous titles. This obviously applies to 360 and PS3 as well.
Myoclonic Jerk
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*buys 100k copies of CV*
The Faceless Master
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yeah but it would sell less and cost more on PSPdog$ said:
Myoclonic Jerk
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:lol :lol :lolThe Faceless Master said:
Kurosaki Ichigo
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Bad numbers for Legendia ; ; (ToR sold 335k in the same time, ended at 600k).
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Tim the Wiz
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PezRadar said:
...sorry, I had to use it sometime.
C- Warrior said:
QFT! I'm actually surprised that it sold over 10k ...
10K? I really doubt Konami would ever plan for 10K of sales in anything. 10K is what something like their latest Pop'n or DDR game pulls in; usually their Castlevania sales are slightly better.
I can't find any data on what the launch day totals were for the GBA, but unless the GBA sold more than 4.4 million units in Japan on the first day, Circle of the Moon did better than Dawn of Sorrow, in relative terms of sales.
I can't find any data on what the launch day totals were for the GBA, but unless the GBA sold more than 4.4 million units in Japan on the first day, Circle of the Moon did better than Dawn of Sorrow, in relative terms of sales.
Igarashi said:
CVXFREAK said:
dog$ said:
Actually, you are forgetting one very very very important fact. The DS card media is much cheaper than GBA carts, ergo the business model for the DS provides a significantly greater per unit profit than the GBA. So if sales on DS are comparable to GBA sales than the profit is actually greater than the GBA profit. So yeah, 2D is very much possible on the DS.
Tony HoTT said:
True.
But these people are trying to argue why a Castlevania game should be put on the PSP and using PSP sales figures isn't really going to prove their point. It makes more sense for them to act like the game bombed on the DS because then people would assume that it should have gone on the PSP where in reality it would have just cost more to make and bombed even harder.
15000 is 67% of 22224.heidern said:
I guess to some people that would be "comparable", but to me that's one-third less from what it reasonably should have been.
Do DS games cost 1/3rd less to create and distribute than GBA games? I doubt it, and unfortunately that's what your argument is hinging on here.
ps: if it needs repeating, my own personal stance is that a new Castlevania "belongs" on a console or it shouldn't exist. If Dawn of Sorrow was for PSP I still wouldn't want it.
dog$ said:
First, what you will find is the performance gap will decrease. Over time DoS will probably come between 75-90% of what CotM managed.
However, even then your comparison isn't the one that should be made. Regarding where does Castlevania "belong", the question that supercedes that is "where is Castlevania viable?". Due to development costs it is not viable on home consoles, as well as the fact people don't buy many console 2D games anymore. Those same issues apply to the psp, except that sales are even worse.
That leaves the GBA and the DS. When comparing you need to look at recent performance, you should not be looking at CotM. We're not comparing then to now, we're looking at now to now. The last GBA Castlevania launched at only 12,841 which is significantly less than DoS. In fact a new GBA Castlevania may sell even less. So in terms of sales and profitability the DS is better than the GBA. As well as that, the DS can make a much better CV game. It has the hardware potential to make the best CV game ever, even better than SotN(one day hopfully
). So in conclusion, the DS is the best place for a 2D Castlevania.heidern said:First, what you will find is the performance gap will decrease. Over time DoS will probably come between 75-90% of what CotM managed.
However, even then your comparison isn't the one that should be made. Regarding where does Castlevania "belong", the question that supercedes that is "where is Castlevania viable?". Due to development costs it is not viable on home consoles, as well as the fact people don't buy many console 2D games anymore. Those same issues apply to the psp, except that sales are even worse.
That leaves the GBA and the DS. When comparing you need to look at recent performance, you should not be looking at CotM. We're not comparing then to now, we're looking at now to now. The last GBA Castlevania launched at only 12,841 which is significantly less than DoS. In fact a new GBA Castlevania may sell even less. So in terms of sales and profitability the DS is better than the GBA. As well as that, the DS can make a much better CV game. It has the hardware potential to make the best CV game ever, even better than SotN(one day hopfully
Actually the last GBA CV was Aria of Sorrow, and not Harmony of Dissonance.
DS - 57,313
PS2 - 27,161
PSP - 20,322
GBASP - 11,144
GC - 2,586
GBA - 652
Xbox - 130
YTD / LTD
DS - 1,520,298 / 3,015,894
PSP - 1,170,476 / 1,652,728
DS Lead - 349,822 / 1,363,166
The DS breaks 3 million in Japan and after 8 months it has finally surpassed what it sold in the 5 weeks of 2004 (1,495,596).
PS2 - 27,161
PSP - 20,322
GBASP - 11,144
GC - 2,586
GBA - 652
Xbox - 130
YTD / LTD
DS - 1,520,298 / 3,015,894
PSP - 1,170,476 / 1,652,728
DS Lead - 349,822 / 1,363,166
The DS breaks 3 million in Japan and after 8 months it has finally surpassed what it sold in the 5 weeks of 2004 (1,495,596).
evilromero
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Tim the Wiz said:
...sorry, I had to use it sometime.
QFT! I'm actually surprised that it sold over 10k ...
Some of you are fucking horrible at using the owl pics. Fucking christ. Run it right into the ground in record time.
I think for DS, being a new "brand", to be getting this kind of sales is just incredible.
I mean, think about it, the PS2 sold 1 million on its first day/week, but DS sold only about 250K in the first week. The fact that after 9 months the DS is keeping up means that it is selling at a rate that PS2s were sold back in those days.
I mean, think about it, the PS2 sold 1 million on its first day/week, but DS sold only about 250K in the first week. The fact that after 9 months the DS is keeping up means that it is selling at a rate that PS2s were sold back in those days.
Smiles and Cries
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nice sales numbers... I'm going to Baltimore next week for a conference I will miss my Thursday DS ownage
JoshuaJSlone
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Other notable numbers:
The "Nintendo Portable YTD" of DS+GBASP+GBA passed 2 million this week.
93.1% of Nintendo hardware units sold this year were portables. For Sony, it's 46.4%.
The "Nintendo Portable YTD" of DS+GBASP+GBA passed 2 million this week.
93.1% of Nintendo hardware units sold this year were portables. For Sony, it's 46.4%.
If that's through the week of December 26, that's 18 weeks to go, averaging 82,451 units a week. Definitely a chance; just depends on exactly how big the bubble will be in December. At least 4.25 million.Fuzzy said:
Week one in Japan was 468,883 by Media Create.mutsu said:
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DSXBoy said:
Did you forget about NA?
Yeah, there is a chance. For reference, the GBA did over 400K this past December even with the new handhelds. With the DS being the premier handheld it should be able to beat that. Possibly as high as 6-700K in December alone. That would mean if it does 800-1000K in the next 3 months it's got a great shot. But averaging 300K a month is gonna be tough.Fuzzy said:
Not a totally fair comparison since the DS had the launch and Christmas boosts together. The GBA and ps2 had their launch boost, and then the Christmas boost. If you do a comparison come the end of this year(13 month comparison) the DS will have closed the gap significantly.Fuzzy said:
The only thing is, Gyakuten Saiban, and perhaps more importantly Tamagotchi DS come out on the 15th too. So the DS may even beat the psp easily that week too. Although of course the GBM launch is gonna smash them both that week.AniHawk said:
wonderfuldays
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AniHawk said:
PSP white may beat DS that week, but I guess GBM + DS will still NO.1 that week.