Jeb! Bush starts his negative ads on Trump.

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Dude Abides said:
You mean if he were to completely reverse positions from illegal immigrants being the scum of the earth and adopt the Democratic position? Why would they trust that? That might also get him in some trouble with his fans, though perhaps not since they don't seem to care if he has any actual political principles.
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Because he'll get to build his wall and deport violent offenders. He's already left the door open to negotiate on issues, if you listen to his philosophy on taking specific positions. This theory is based on his taking populist positions when it suits his target audience. There won't be a need to cater to racists, he could sell a plan that is more economically viable, humane and include the damn wall, to get more votes.
 
Joey Fox said:
Because he'll get to build his wall and deport violent offenders. He's already left the door open to negotiate on issues, if you listen to his philosophy on taking specific positions. This theory is based on his taking populist positions when it suits his target audience. There won't be a need to cater to racists, he could sell a plan that is more economically viable, humane and include the damn wall, to get more votes.
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But he's already catered to them. If you have one candidate who's advocated a path to citizenship and deportation of violent offenders and another one who suddenly started advocating a path to citizenship and deportation of violent offenders just last week and also called Mexicans murdering rapists and also wants to end birthright citizenship and also wants to build a dumb wall that racists really like and also said he wanted to deport all illegal immigrants, violent or not, until last week, which one do you think voters who favor a path to citizenship are likely to think is sincere?

I realize he's been able to convince a substantial number of people people that repetition of the word "negotiate" means his attempts to be all things to all people whenever convenient will work, but I don't think a large swathe of the electorate is gullible enough to fall for it.
 
Joey Fox said:
What I mean is single issue voters, those who would vote based on what will happen to illegal immigrants. If he were to offer amnesty and road to citizenship to those who didn't commit violent crimes, would those voters look past the rapists comment, which again is out of context? It's just speculation on my part that he will "negotiate" that, but what if he tried?
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You can't be serious. You might as well be postulating that Trump will choose me as his VP choice.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
It's all fun and games until "I voted for Kodos." This might be the first general election where troll voting actually swings the polls. Remember Deez Nuts.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/donald-trump-2016-protest-campaign-disdain-213247
“This is the candidate America deserves,” said Jeff DeFlavio, 29, a small-business owner registered as an independent in the nearby town of Lebanon. He said he plans to vote for Trump in the primary, but adds, “His immigration policy is disgusting to me. It’s absolutely revolting … I really don’t want him to become president ever. Ever. He would destroy the world, which is what’s so wonderful about him.”

DeFlavio said he has enjoyed watching Trump exploit a presidential-selection process that rewards celebrity more than substance. “There is this kind of wonderful irony in it, which I feel myself wanting to partake in,” he said.

These Trump voters come from both ends of the political spectrum and from nowhere on it. Their motivations differ. But they are united by both antipathy and a lack of regard for the man they say has their vote.

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Packer said the most committed of these Trump supporters he knows is a student in California. “He’s really into this one French philosopher [Jean] Baudrillard,” said Packer, explaining that the student plans to vote for Trump to validate Baudrillard’s idea that image has become indistinguishable from reality. “This kid is so left he’s not voting for Bernie [Sanders] because of Palestine,” Packer added, referencing the Vermont senator’s record of pro-Israel stances.
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Wait what? This is a negative ad? Trump actually looks like a sensible human being in that ad. If that's negative, I can hardly imagine what a positive ad would be like.

Great job for making Trump look even better Jeb.
 
Joey Fox said:
Because he'll get to build his wall and deport violent offenders. He's already left the door open to negotiate on issues, if you listen to his philosophy on taking specific positions. This theory is based on his taking populist positions when it suits his target audience. There won't be a need to cater to racists, he could sell a plan that is more economically viable, humane and include the damn wall, to get more votes.
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We're not going to build a trillion dollar wall around the Mexican border ffs. It's the definition of empty rhetoric.

Minorities (and women) aren't going to abandon the Democratic party because Trump has a post primary heel/face turn. There's a big patch of work in between "not catering to racists" and "being progressive", and right now no republican candidate is close, barring Trump straddling the ledge on health care and Social Security / Medicaid.

benjipwns said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/donald-trump-2016-protest-campaign-disdain-213247
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It has become trite at this point, but I'll say it anyway:

Fucking hipsters.
 
I fucking love that this is a fucking attack ad. It goes to show how fucked up the GOP is when they think the worst things that have come out of Trump's mouth are his least vile stances.
 
I like Trump's ads better because he isn't trying to monetize his ads with other ads like Jeb! is.

Seriously WTF. Is Jeb! really that strapped for cash? Why do I have to watch a 15 second ad before watching his ad?
 
Brakke said:
It's kind of interesting we keep referring to these Instagram videos as "ads". I have no idea how election law intersects with Instagram / new media generally. He's not running "I approved this message" slugs on these. Is that only necessary for public broadcast?
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"I'm just chilling in Cedar Rapids!" would be even better if it had to include something like that on it.
 
bebop242 said:
Eh, this one seemed petty. There is a wealth of opportunity to rip on Jeb! and all they did was cherry pick on a sleepy woman in a crowd? Unless I'm missing something, of course.
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Trump's line of attack on Jeb is that he lacks energy and is boring. The ad plays well into that, even though its petty as fuck. Jeb just cannot respond to this which is the amusing part.
 
Hexa said:
It's a hit him where it hurts thing.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...ump-has-found-the-perfect-insult-for-jeb-bush
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That's such a weird article, directly conflating introversion with Jeb's "low energy." They even cite a piece that mentions several other recent introverted candidates who are far more lively on the campaign trail. Those traits can certainly overlap in certain areas, but one doesn't presuppose the other. Jeb's introversion certainly shouldn't be considered some inherent negative, but he also just oozes a vibe that he lacks any real passion for pursuing this job. That is a problem. Even us introverts can explain our ideas and passions with some energy. He acts like he both can't be bothered and doesn't have the underlying drive.
 
Look at this dude, he actually want single payer!!!

What's wrong with people in this world seriously. AI overlords cna't come soon enough.
 
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