Dr. Wilkinson
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You're upset at the wrong company. Microsoft isn't the hold up here. And it's not on them to make announcements based on other company's marketing and confidential business deals.
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[Jez Corden] Hotly anticipated 'Black Myth: Wukong' is delayed on Xbox for 'optimizations' — and now, Microsoft has responded
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MisterXDTV
Member
Don't worry, there won't be another Xbox console, period.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
They've literally confirmed next-gen console and very likely a dedicated handheld. Not a $200 cloudstreaming shell with a screen. You are quite mistaken, sir.
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Of course, but that has never stopped the media, websites and gaming community from putting strong pressure on those involved to express all the terms..... At least with MS there are no qualms and that pressure always bears fruit.
GHG
Member
We had a poll here, just the other day:
Poll: Where Do You Play Your Games? On Which Platforms?
Where do you play your games? Playstation? Xbox? Switch? PC? All of the above? I'm not trying to stir console wars here, just to get some up-to-date stats on where GAF plays. I took a similar poll back in 2018 (linked below). That was 6 years ago. I figured it was time to get some...
~1.5% of the active userbase here only have access to an Xbox to game on. Those are the only people this sort of thing should concern (along with the 0.9% who only have a switch + Xbox, so a total of 2.4%).
To make matters worse, when these games do land on Xbox the sales splits are pitiful.
So again, why all the crying? I'd like someone to explain this phenomenon to me.
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Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Ah. A Neogaf-specific poll off one thread. Very scientific!We had a poll here, just the other day:
Poll: Where Do You Play Your Games? On Which Platforms?
Where do you play your games? Playstation? Xbox? Switch? PC? All of the above? I'm not trying to stir console wars here, just to get some up-to-date stats on where GAF plays. I took a similar poll back in 2018 (linked below). That was 6 years ago. I figured it was time to get some...www.neogaf.com
~1.5% of the active userbase here only have access to an Xbox to game on. Those are the only people this sort of thing should concern.
To make matters worse, when these games do land on Xbox the sales splits are pitiful.
So again, why all the crying? I'd like someone to explain this phenomenon to me.
Key data point you're ignoring:
Black Myth Wukong isn't coming to every platform (no Switch). So the percentage is skewed.
And even if it was only 1.5%, that's 1.5% less people who would be able to purchase the game at launch. Again, you're in agreement then that those people do exist, you're just not one of them. Yet you felt compelled to post a whiny complaint saying something doesn't specifically apply to you.
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MisterXDTV
Member
They've confirmed a Steam Machine with Windows, maybe. That's a PC, not a console
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If the media and gaming communities never ask them and Sony is never pressured..... of course they will never talk
GHG
Member
Ah. A Neogaf-specific poll off one thread. Very scientific!
If it makes you feel any better, there was an identical poll in 2018 and the outcome was similar.
Then there are also the game platform sales splits along with information like this:
France Weekly Sales Thread - 2024 Edition
France | Week 17, 2024 (Apr 22 - Apr 28) | Retail (Individual Format) (Revenue) | GSD Stellar Blade (PS5) Top Spin 2K25 (PS5) Princess Peach: Show Time! (NSW) Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (NSW) Super Mario Bros. Wonder (NSW)
www.installbaseforum.com
But I'm proud of people like Jez, he's really standing up for the 1%.
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bender
What time is it?
I guess it depends on how much blame you put on Microsoft for the environment they've fostered within their own platform.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Unless you have a time machine and have seen the device or have any actual information, you don't know any of the above. You're just parroting Xbox doomsdayers. And therefore you literally don't know anything.
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
They can’t do that. Half their user base (maybe even more than half) this gen is on XSS.
If they drop the parity clause they will majorly piss off these folks and they could mean dropping GamePass revenue. So it will never happen.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
No I'm specifically talking about the context of this topic. Nice try changing the subject, tho!
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Agreed. For all reasons, they literally cannot make anything this generation X exclusive. But I am hoping next-gen they don't begin with a splintered userbase.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They have?
Where ?
You must have an official source if you're saying it's confirmed.
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bender
What time is it?
The context of this topic is very likely a symptom of that environment they've fostered.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Internal PS marketing and confidential business deals with outside studios & publishers?
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Shake Your Rump
Member
So, why did they make this comment in the first place?
Q: "Is the series S delaying this game"
A: "We can't comment on exclusivity deals"
They could have just answered the question.
MisterXDTV
Member
Keep drinking the Phil Spencer Kool-Aid...
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
No, in fact they likely couldn't. Being it is a business deal involving other companies that they have no involvement with. So legally and practically, no they wouldn't have been able to disclose all of that, even if they'd been leaked all of the information.
bender
What time is it?
Internal PS marketing and confidential business deals with outside studios & publishers?
Creating an underperforming platform (again) that teaches your userbase not purchase games makes the desire to be on that platform less attractive and makes the acceptance of other marketing deals from other platform holders easier to accept.
midnightAI
Member
And so they will always have these issues for the rest of the gen (and it will probably get worse).
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
And you keep drinking that Sony orange-flavored Tang. Enjoy Concord, heard it's gonna be the next Destruction All Stars
Really knock our socks off.
GHG
Member
Percentage of people here who can't play this at launch based on the current platforms they have at their disposal is ~2.4%.
I'm not the one whining, far from it. I actually find it a tad amusing, it's very reminiscent of the behaviour exhibited by loud minorities that have become prevalent elsewhere in modern culture.
What I'm asking is why every time a game skips Xbox (or looks like it might be) there is this huge uproar as if there's this huge amount of people who purchase games who are going to be excluded. The bottom line is that publishers will respond in accordance to consumer behaviour and trends, no amount of entitled begging from what represents the small percentage of people that this sort of thing actually affects will change that.
You're still yet to give me a logical answer other than "those people exist" (which isn't a logical answer by the way, especially not from a business perspective when it concerns smaller studios).
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Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Yes I fully understand how the economics of the console business works, thanks
. I owned a Wii U.Again, bringing this back to the context, you're making an argument that Microsoft should disclose another company's business arrangement, which occured after the game had previously been announced as multiplatform at launch. I pointed out that isn't correct, and it's not how things like that work, and that whatever agreement PS and the publisher of Black Myth Wukong have worked out is not something Microsoft could disclose, even if they wanted to or knew the specifics. That is the only point I was making.
mayham2199
Member
The other company has already explained why the game isn't coming out day 1 for Xbox. Are you telling me that you are going to believe them if they tell you a second time why it's not day 1 on Xbox?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Jez is being flamed on Twitter. Elon should make people pay to block others, it would make jez broke.
bender
What time is it?
No, I am not. I'm merely spelling out to you why I believe Microsoft finds themselves in the situation they are in.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Yes, my bad for giving you a logical answer. Heaven forbid! How you have mind-pretzeled into making that a bad thing is classic internet forum nonsense. it's very tiring, tbh. And of course your above is just cherry-picking. It happens every time something for just one platform out of many gets delayed but the rest ship on time. Regardless of platform.
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TrippleA345
Member
Another example of why the entire leadership is a complete clown show. He really thinks that way. This is not PR, the entire video pure amateurish laughable ingineur loose arguments and statements. All on the same lvl with booty, spencer and and and. It can't be said enough, the complete lack of technical knowledge and education is the reason for their incredible failure.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Yep. Your goalposts just kept changing. Classic annoying internet forum stuff.
bender
What time is it?
Show me where I wanted Microsoft to disclose anything or have moved any goalposts. I'm simply trying to have a discussion while ignoring your snark and feeble attempts at scoring internet points.
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GHG
Member
Not everyone has a Jez Corden and a Windows Central willing to go to war for them my friend. This is twice now, in the matter of days.
But what I think you'll find is that it would be far less likely that this sort of thing would happen if people on Xbox were more inclined to purchase more games. That is the thing that is of most concern for the people who are responsible for creating and selling these games. If not, you'll just see more and more of them withholding games with a view of later being able to leverage the situation for some sort of gamepass deal.
Angry_Megalodon
Banned
We have LOTS of cases of devs who say how much of a hassle it is to port for the two XBOX consoles with parity so enough with this exclusivity talk bullshit.
JerryinSoCal
Member
There is no business deal, I bet they asked about "rumors" of moneyhatting along with the optimizations at the same time and then just put that out as the answer. When was the last time you saw a game Sony paid for and didn't market online like crazy? I haven't seen any marketing from sony for this game at all other than the trailers that come out on both consoles.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
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HeisenbergFX4
Member
I agree with you but MS has had plenty of time to clarify even their own thought out remarks so here we are
If Game Science made some kind of deal after already delaying the xbox version because of optimisation issues then they're genius. It's a win win for them. MS confirmed in their response they're "working with game science to bring it to their platforms" when asked about the delay and that corroborates the statement by Game Science that its been delayed due to optimisation issues on xbox. MS just tried to get smart to kick up some ambiguous outrage. Game Science would be smart to try and win some deal too in this scenario.
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solidus12
Member
Go easy on the Redfall juice.And you keep drinking that Sony orange-flavored Tang. Enjoy Concord, heard it's gonna be the next Destruction All Stars
Really knock our socks off.
Dick Jones
Gold Member
Confirming the Series S is a mistake would be interesting. Throwing third parties under the bus is a disaster that Xbox haven't realised yet. Better to ask the paid shills not to ask damaging questions ahead of the interview. This is another own goal.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm not seeing the relevance to the topic at hand. They announced a simultaneous release on consoles not too long ago, delaying it on one platform just 2 months before release is poor form on their part. You'd think they would be far enough in development to know they won't be able to get one SKU ready in time much earlier
Comparatively, Larian didn't even announce an Xbox version when they first announced the console release for BG3
Klayzer
Member
This is what a lot of the Xbox fanbase does here. Crazy conspiracy maybes, over the logical Series S stuff.
GHG
Member
I'm not seeing the relevance to the topic at hand. They announced a simultaneous release on consoles not too long ago, delaying it on one platform just 2 months before release is poor form on their part. You'd think they would be far enough in development to know they won't be able to get one SKU ready in time much earlier
Comparatively, Larian didn't even announce an Xbox version when they first announced the console release for BG3
There's a quote from Sarah Bond in this very thread on this topic:
"the devs wanted more money from Xbox to launch same day as the other platforms"
Now why would they do such a thing? Think Adam, think.
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bender
What time is it?
I'm not seeing the relevance to the topic at hand. They announced a simultaneous release on consoles not too long ago, delaying it on one platform just 2 months before release is poor form on their part. You'd think they would be far enough in development to know they won't be able to get one SKU ready in time much earlier
Comparatively, Larian didn't even announce an Xbox version when they first announced the console release for BG3
Aspirations can die to the reality of a given situation, especially with the inexperience of Game Science. If they are struggling with optimizations across all platforms, it's probably best to focus on the platforms where you think your game will have the most success and delay the rest.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I actually listened the segment in the podcast, even posted about it. He only paraphrased the 3 words from Sarah, the rest is his own commentary and opinion.
I wouldn't trust this source, personally. Not that I knew who King David is in the first place before these tweets.
Even if you want to believe that tweet is true, if the publisher is holding the release date hostage over more money, after announcing a simultaneous release date beforehand, that's, to use a popular word these days .. slimy
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Skifi28
Member
Both companies have a history of that. When was the last time Sony made a deal at the last second after the release date and other platforms were already announced which led to a delay announcement and then never bothered to advertise/feature the game themselves? It just doesn't sound like their usual tactics, only Sweeney does that.
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