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Leaked Avengers: Doomsday concept art

So not this? Dissapointment immense



Whenever I heard of 'Secret Wars' this was all I could think about. I havent read any of the comics, never have never will.

But this arc of Spiderman TAS was my favorite shit

this was based on the 80s secret wars, and they changed a lot of things to make it work for a spider-man based show, which was a shame because it was iconic for being the first major crossover event.

god emperor doom is from 2015 secret wars and was super good.
 

Paasei

Member
McFeely and the Russos are doing these two movies (Doomsday and Secret Wars)... They did the first 3 Captain America movies, Infinity War and Endgame. I'm pretty sure they can pull it off.
I very much hope you’re right. I haven’t enjoyed a Marvel movie since endgame. Spider-Man was alright, I guess.
 

MonkD

Member
McFeely and the Russos are doing these two movies (Doomsday and Secret Wars)... They did the first 3 Captain America movies, Infinity War and Endgame. I'm pretty sure they can pull it off.
Yep, and as much as I dislike the recent MCU output I don't think there was that much buildup for Infinity War either. Thanos was built up in Infinity War, any of his previous appearances did jack all for the character, and it is obvious that they changed the direction from his Avengers cameo.

And even if I'm uninterested in some or most of the current roster I have confidence that the Russo's will portray them better than in their previous outings. So I'm not especially "worried" about how this movie will turn out. And I'm assuming that we're getting Jackman and Maguire front and center for the sequel, so that'll be fun regardless.
 

Lunarorbit

Gold Member
I'm really hoping dr doom comes out at the end of secret wars and kills the rdj doom. Maybe rip his spine out like Thanos.

Don't get me wrong rdj is great in these movies but I want the real deal von doom
 

ManaByte

Member
I'm really hoping dr doom comes out at the end of secret wars and kills the rdj doom. Maybe rip his spine out like Thanos.

Don't get me wrong rdj is great in these movies but I want the real deal von doom

RDJ is playing the real Doom. From the F4's universe. He's not Tony Stark as Doom. He's Victor Von Doom from the retro-60s universe that the F4 come from.
 

Lunarorbit

Gold Member
RDJ is playing the real Doom. From the F4's universe. He's not Tony Stark as Doom. He's Victor Von Doom from the retro-60s universe that the F4 come from.
Really? OK but isn't the new F4 from another dimension, not the 616 of the main Canon.

And if it was from the 60s wouldn't Tony's dad from Mad Men be doom?

I really didn't expect rdj to be doom in both movies.
 

ManaByte

Member
Really? OK but isn't the new F4 from another dimension, not the 616 of the main Canon.

It's a different universe, and the trailer shows Reed is working on a multiversal bridge on his chalk board that will allow them to cross universes.

And if it was from the 60s wouldn't Tony's dad from Mad Men be doom?

No, it's a different universe. RDJ is not playing Tony Stark. He's Victor Von Doom.

I really didn't expect rdj to be doom in both movies.

He's Doom Doomsday and Secret Wars.
 

Lunarorbit

Gold Member
It's a different universe, and the trailer shows Reed is working on a multiversal bridge on his chalk board that will allow them to cross universes.



No, it's a different universe. RDJ is not playing Tony Stark. He's Victor Von Doom.



He's Doom Doomsday and Secret Wars.
Damn. Thought rdj was a placeholder dr doom until secret wars. Didn't really make sense since he's getting paid $100 million.

Shit I'm pretty bummed. Wasn't looking forward to b list Young avengers being front and center in these films anyway. A badass dr doom was my 1 silver lining
 

Doom85

Member
Damn. Thought rdj was a placeholder dr doom until secret wars. Didn't really make sense since he's getting paid $100 million.

Shit I'm pretty bummed. Wasn't looking forward to b list Young avengers being front and center in these films anyway. A badass dr doom was my 1 silver lining

It’s being reported that Marvel still intends to use the character Doom even after RDJ is done with the role after Secret Wars. So most likely we’re following the Doom of the F4’s universe in these films, and then post-Secet Wars the Doom of the Sacred Timeline (the main universe) will emerge.

Also, RDJ is getting 80 million together for all the films he’ll appear in as Doom, which includes both these upcoming Avengers films, and it’s been reported this likely also includes smaller roles in one, possibly two other films pre-Secret Wars. Many speculate one of these small roles will likely be this year’s F4 movie and they’re keeping it a secret for now.

The paycheck isn’t that ridiculous (at least compared to his past Marvel pay) since RDJ got 40 million for his role in Civil War, so it’s not too surprising.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
The paycheck isn’t that ridiculous (at least compared to his past Marvel pay) since RDJ got 40 million for his role in Civil War, so it’s not too surprising.
Oh, its ridiculous all right. Insane, even. Especially since Doom in full gear is highly likely to be a stand in, so he'll just be doing a VO probably half the time. He'll have the same "pop on, pop off" mask they all do now so you can get a CG or stunt double for anything involving movement but see that $80 mill face for the talkie bits.

We have our disagreement about how RDJ is gonna play this, but if "the plan" was to keep Dr. Doom around post these Avengers flicks, then casting RDJ is even more of a stunt ploy just to get him on the press tour to try to rekindle that mid 2010's energy. You can not tell me that auditioned a performance so unique and commanding that the MCU had NO CHOICE but to cast him.
 

Doom85

Member
Oh, its ridiculous all right. Insane, even. Especially since Doom in full gear is highly likely to be a stand in, so he'll just be doing a VO probably half the time. He'll have the same "pop on, pop off" mask they all do now so you can get a CG or stunt double for anything involving movement but see that $80 mill face for the talkie bits.

The reports have also said how long he’ll be on set for Avengers Doomsday and it sounds like he’ll be on set for the vast majority of his scenes based on it.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
RDJ auditioned for Doom in Tim Story’s F4 movie, which Feige worked on.
So the one where he lost out to Julian McMahon? Not sure if that helps or hurts your case that a 20 year old audition is driving the story now. I bet a lot of the mannerisms from that ended up in Tony.

Like always, we'll see. Certainly RDJ as Tony was worth 80 mill for 2 movies.
 

ManaByte

Member
By the panther god I hope they recast T'challa

They will, but not until after Secret Wars. This concept art is labeled T'Chanda (his grandfather), so it's likely from Black Panther 3.

Yep, and as much as I dislike the recent MCU output I don't think there was that much buildup for Infinity War either. Thanos was built up in Infinity War, any of his previous appearances did jack all for the character, and it is obvious that they changed the direction from his Avengers cameo.

No they didn't change much at all. It was always the plan to end the first Saga with an adaptation of Infinity Gauntlet. The only big change they made was changing Thanos' motivation from wanting to fuck Death to balancing the universe. They had an Infinity Gauntlet in the first Thor movie, BEFORE the first Avengers movie and Thanos' cameo.

Avengers came out in 2012. Phase 2 began in 2013 with Iron Man 3 and Thor: The Dark World. Thor was the second movie after that Thanos cameo and was the first mention of Infinity Stones. Two movies after Thor was Guardians of the Galaxy in 2014 and the entire plot was about a group of idiots hired by an underling of Thanos to steal and Infinity Stone. Then the mind stone was a plot element in Age of Ultron the following year, the year after that the time stone was a plot element in Doctor Strange, then Thanos shows up at the end of Thor: Ragnarok for the mind and space stones.

There was plenty of build up, for people paying attention.
 

MonkD

Member
They will, but not until after Secret Wars. This concept art is labeled T'Chanda (his grandfather), so it's likely from Black Panther 3.



No they didn't change much at all. It was always the plan to end the first Saga with an adaptation of Infinity Gauntlet. The only big change they made was changing Thanos' motivation from wanting to fuck Death to balancing the universe. They had an Infinity Gauntlet in the first Thor movie, BEFORE the first Avengers movie and Thanos' cameo.

Avengers came out in 2012. Phase 2 began in 2013 with Iron Man 3 and Thor: The Dark World. Thor was the second movie after that Thanos cameo and was the first mention of Infinity Stones. Two movies after Thor was Guardians of the Galaxy in 2014 and the entire plot was about a group of idiots hired by an underling of Thanos to steal and Infinity Stone. Then the mind stone was a plot element in Age of Ultron the following year, the year after that the time stone was a plot element in Doctor Strange, then Thanos shows up at the end of Thor: Ragnarok for the mind and space stones.

There was plenty of build up, for people paying attention.
I was paying attention. They even had to retcon the gauntlet in Odins vault. They obviously changed things throughout to tie it together. We don't have to pretend that Antman was always going to be the catalyst for time travel.

But I guess we'll see if the end product here needed some additional build up. I just doubt it.

Edit: I love Hickmans FF and Avengers. But Secret Wars barely ties into his run (character wise), and has no real impact on the Marvel Universe. So it's not like the comics really built anything either. Doom did everything "off-screen".
 
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ManaByte

Member
We don't have to pretend that Antman was always going to be the catalyst for time travel.
The only thing they changed with Ant Man was in Civil War. Had Sony not signed the Spider-Man deal, Tony Stark was going to recruit Ant Man at his kid’s soccer game in the original script.
 

MonkD

Member
The only thing they changed with Ant Man was in Civil War. Had Sony not signed the Spider-Man deal, Tony Stark was going to recruit Ant Man at his kid’s soccer game in the original script.
The original Antman script was written by Edgar Wright. I want to remember Pym being a bad guy in his script. So the idea that Scott getting stuck in the quantum realm and discovering time travel was probably not planned by that point.

Either way, the buildup (which i agree is preferred) is overall unnecesary for these films. Thanos entire motivation is layed out in Infinity War. The stone from the GotG is retrieved off-screen. The Phase 4/5 output has been almost completely ass. If the Russos are writing and directing I have faith in the movie. If subpar movies include refrences to incursions it's not going to have much of an impact in the end either way. The movie will suck or succeed on its own merits.
 

Doom85

Member
The original Antman script was written by Edgar Wright. I want to remember Pym being a bad guy in his script.

If You Say So Wow GIF by Identity


I love Edgar Wright’s work, but if that’s true about Hank, glad it didn’t go through. Hank Pym fans have to deal with enough crap with the comics. As not everyone may know, the one time early in the comics where he intentionally slapped Janet was not what the writer wanted, he meant for Hank to throw his hand out behind him (in a “leave me alone” sort of gesture) without paying attention to his surroundings and thus accidentally hit her. Not great, but clearly not deliberate abuse. However, the penciller misread the info provided by the writer and thus drew it so Hank is looking at her when he hits her and thus it’s flat out abuse, leading to a swift divorce and other events that cause Hank’s life to fall apart.

The writer did intend for Hank’s life and his relationship with Janet to deteriorate over his time on the book, but Hank was never supposed to have deliberately hit her, and thus Hank fans eventually started getting fed up when it was still sometimes brought up decades (in our time) after it happened, particularly the infamous Avengers Disassembled comic story arc, where among other awful things to happen to the team in that story, a “drunk” Tony Stark (actually due to magic; Tony had swore off alcohol after a low point he hit in the comics) yells at Hank, “back off, man! Don’t you have a wife to go beat?!” This was the 500th issue, what should have been a celebratory milestone for longtime fans, and we get reminded of that shit. *sigh*

Seeing Hank Pym as a flawed but ultimately heroic and sympathetic guy in the MCU was definitely one of the best changes from the comics to the big screen in terms of characterization.
 

ManaByte

Member
I love Edgar Wright’s work, but if that’s true about Hank

It’s not. His movie was similar to the one released, except Scott was in a group of like 15 people dong the heist. Wright cast Rudd, and they kept enough of his version that he retained story and screenplay credits on the final movie.
 

MonkD

Member
If You Say So Wow GIF by Identity


I love Edgar Wright’s work, but if that’s true about Hank, glad it didn’t go through. Hank Pym fans have to deal with enough crap with the comics. As not everyone may know, the one time early in the comics where he intentionally slapped Janet was not what the writer wanted, he meant for Hank to throw his hand out behind him (in a “leave me alone” sort of gesture) without paying attention to his surroundings and thus accidentally hit her. Not great, but clearly not deliberate abuse. However, the penciller misread the info provided by the writer and thus drew it so Hank is looking at her when he hits her and thus it’s flat out abuse, leading to a swift divorce and other events that cause Hank’s life to fall apart.

The writer did intend for Hank’s life and his relationship with Janet to deteriorate over his time on the book, but Hank was never supposed to have deliberately hit her, and thus Hank fans eventually started getting fed up when it was still sometimes brought up decades (in our time) after it happened, particularly the infamous Avengers Disassembled comic story arc, where among other awful things to happen to the team in that story, a “drunk” Tony Stark (actually due to magic; Tony had swore off alcohol after a low point he hit in the comics) yells at Hank, “back off, man! Don’t you have a wife to go beat?!” This was the 500th issue, what should have been a celebratory milestone for longtime fans, and we get reminded of that shit. *sigh*

Seeing Hank Pym as a flawed but ultimately heroic and sympathetic guy in the MCU was definitely one of the best changes from the comics to the big screen in terms of characterization.
Having Hank as the villain in the movie would've left the comics version in an even worse state than he currently is in. So weird that comic character got hit by cancel culture 50 years after the slap.

Peter hit a pregnant MJ hard enough for her to pass out and he can show up in a book without it being the basis for his entire modern character.

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