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Legion |OT| Insert X-Men Meme - Wednesdays 10/9c on FX
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Patrick Stewart.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Like inertia, the season just keeps accelerating
The Elite
BOSS
If the first 3 or 4 episodes didn't grab you maybe this show isn't for you.
torre_avenue
Banned
WHOOOOOOO.
SHADOW KING.
THAT FUCKING WHEELCHAIR.
BALD DAD.
IT'S TOO LIT, THANK YOU BASED HAWLEY
#TYBH
SHADOW KING.
THAT FUCKING WHEELCHAIR.
BALD DAD.
IT'S TOO LIT, THANK YOU BASED HAWLEY
#TYBH
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Just got caught up. This show is brilliant. Also im delighted to hear that the show got a second season already. Cant wait for the finale.
id say if the pilot interested you to stick around at least until the fourth episode (the one with the ice cube).
I know there are several people in here who felt this way originally and then really grew to like the show more, but honestly this would be my recommendation as well. The show is never going to be some plot-based bullshit, so to me if you're like ugh why didn't the first four episodes have more lore about midichlorians instead of all this artsy fluff that's clearly intended to delay the important stuff -- the midichlorians talk, it's probably worth maybe watching one more episode at most.
Best part of this show to me is the random interludes and direction shifts: Audrey plaza shadow king music video, horror little comic dude running around, complete silence where characters can't hear each other, chalkboard animation...real interesting stuff
It feels like nothing is happening though cuz I feel the viewer is knowing most of these reveals at this point. Everyone knew the hospital last to episodes ago was fake, we all know about
, we know what shadow king is. Nothing is really happening not just plot wise, but information wise in giving us new reveals. That's why the eye dudes death was anti climactic because we didn't even know what he was capable of or what he was really about
It feels like nothing is happening though cuz I feel the viewer is knowing most of these reveals at this point. Everyone knew the hospital last to episodes ago was fake, we all know about
professor x
At this point, the last episode has to deliver because the show has been really underwhelming narratively. I typically hate the critique that something is style over substance, because I think style alone can make something outright, but this show kind of fails on both for me.
The narrative is stretched so thinly across the season with very little additional character development to supplement that, moreso than any superhero show gets shit for because at least they build well-rounded characters from all of the exposition and interactions with more than just the core cast. It seems to me like this sort of thing would have been better suited to a BBC-like miniseries or a movie. Probably would help concatenate things to cut the fat.
Just feels like the producers took every visual sequence idea, on and off the cutting board, and threw it in as filler, and gave little care to put direction (visual or otherwise) into it. Just throwing shots at the wall and hoping they all stick, and I guess people are with it because it's quirky and dealing with mental illness (which is done okay, nothing really exceptional or novel about it) and confusion gives you license to create tons of intentionally confusing but often useless and not effectively or intelligently misleading filler, but I'm not seeing it.
Only after the last episode which had a sort of mini-summary of everything we've learned thus far did I realize that there isn't much depth to anything. The Wiki page intro ends with "The series received critical acclaim, particularly for its visuals and departure from superhero genre standards," and I can see that being the majority of the appeal in addition to the production value. It's different! And looks different! Even within episodes! Beyond that? I have no idea what people are sinking their teeth into, and that includes the look.
The narrative is stretched so thinly across the season with very little additional character development to supplement that, moreso than any superhero show gets shit for because at least they build well-rounded characters from all of the exposition and interactions with more than just the core cast. It seems to me like this sort of thing would have been better suited to a BBC-like miniseries or a movie. Probably would help concatenate things to cut the fat.
Just feels like the producers took every visual sequence idea, on and off the cutting board, and threw it in as filler, and gave little care to put direction (visual or otherwise) into it. Just throwing shots at the wall and hoping they all stick, and I guess people are with it because it's quirky and dealing with mental illness (which is done okay, nothing really exceptional or novel about it) and confusion gives you license to create tons of intentionally confusing but often useless and not effectively or intelligently misleading filler, but I'm not seeing it.
Only after the last episode which had a sort of mini-summary of everything we've learned thus far did I realize that there isn't much depth to anything. The Wiki page intro ends with "The series received critical acclaim, particularly for its visuals and departure from superhero genre standards," and I can see that being the majority of the appeal in addition to the production value. It's different! And looks different! Even within episodes! Beyond that? I have no idea what people are sinking their teeth into, and that includes the look.
metalslimer
Member
The story has been fine. I feel like saying people only enjoy this for the visuals is basically calling people dumb. Without a decent story arc driving the narrative, the visuals would make this show any good.
They compliment one another
They compliment one another
This is where I'm at though, I think the visual suffer because the format/plot driving them are weak or there isn't enough of it that, and the show at large suffers because there are shots and sequences that neither drive the plot forward or contribute to character-building. Either useless or go on for too long without much meaningful in them. Which would be fine, if there wasn't plenty of character ground to be made up. That look pretty, and so I assume that is when the audience cheers. An exception to this would be the Astral Plane scenes in Episode 4, where its both visually distinct and you learn a lot about the character and world that surrounds him, which is by far the best part of the show thus far.
Said it earlier in this thread, but there better be some wild twist at the end that makes you return to every episode and see it from another perspective and maybe much of that stuff I think is useless becomes super meaningful, but I'm not seeing it, and the journey has been a bit of a slog for sure.
I'm where you're at dude. If you want plot shit go watch shield or some generic procedural. If anything overly focusing on plot hampers the show's strengths. And if you're still watching now expecting shield after the show had made pretty clear what it is, that's on you.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
*Nods in agreement*
It's hard to not compare this to Fargo, for me at least. And this feels like more flashiness but with a hollow core. Eccentricity instead of actual wit. Like I can't think of one thing any character has said that made me sit back for a moment and think. There was very little forward movement for the majority of the season, but it didn't really explore the characters that much to justify being so introspective for 4-5 episodes. That's why I said that I was frustrated by an entire episode being a dream inside Clockworks, even though I enjoyed it for fleshing out these characters a little more.
The Driver
Member
Y'all weird. There are 10 million other shows right now dryly telling stories about superheroes coming to cheapo CGI or wire work blows with a villian of the week/season, where the main character development occurring is whoever the MC is dating and y'all want this to be more conventional or narrative based smh.
Mighty Chin
Banned
I don't thing pacing is an issue for a lot of viewers it's more about coherence.
Last couple of eps have been phenomenal but the first 4 were not easy to follow. Great to watch no doubt but it was confusing. Watching back to back might help with new viewers.
Last couple of eps have been phenomenal but the first 4 were not easy to follow. Great to watch no doubt but it was confusing. Watching back to back might help with new viewers.
Strong narrative core driving things forward doesn't mean you sacrifice all the qualities here or turn it into a D.C. Show
Said it before but this show reminds me a lot of mr robot season 2. A lot of episodes where not much happens and you end up in the same place. Yet cinematography is amazing and worth it for people that geek out on that shit.
HeartlessNobody213
Member
Or from Downton Abbey. Probably his biggest thing.
Just saw the latest ep. God damn that has to be one of my favorite TV episodes of the past 10 years or so. Really liked everything about it. The style, Xavier hints, the whole classroom scene etc.
Dude could play a killer Bond as well. He just dripping that 007 swag in this scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h94EwSeAfqI
Dude could play a killer Bond as well. He just dripping that 007 swag in this scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h94EwSeAfqI
Yeah, same dude from The Guest as well.
I would not have known this was the same actor if I hadn't seen someone on GAF mention it a few days ago.
Napoleonthechimp
Member
Dude has psycho eyes. Useful for Legion, not so good for Beauty and the Beast.
neurosisxeno
Member
Yea. I'm 4 episodes in and have no god damn clue what is going on. But it's an amazing watch and the show itself is amazing well crafted.
Actually just realized I was on Episode 6. 5 is definitely where it starts to come together, we'll see if it continues to get more coherent from here.
Bits N Pieces
Member
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Yeah, same dude from The Guest as well.
Syd know whats under that track suit
Dan Stevens looks different in everything I've seen him in. Had no idea he was the guy from The Guest too.
R_thanatos
Member
Damn just watched 7 episodes of this show in a row .. and DAMN does the ep7 wasn't some solid pay off after all those teases.
I'm also ensure what division 3 think they can do after the MC just blasted through their trap 3 episodes before.
And you're coming up with guns ? openly ? Yeah .Not happenning.
Anyway , the visual display in ep 7 was masterfull. Looking forward to see the Finale
I'm also ensure what division 3 think they can do after the MC just blasted through their trap 3 episodes before.
And you're coming up with guns ? openly ? Yeah .Not happenning.
Anyway , the visual display in ep 7 was masterfull. Looking forward to see the Finale
Agreed. But I still don't know if Lenny in the first episode was real or not. My guess is she was real but killed by Syd/David, and because of David's power she was now part of his personalities. Shadow King just used her identity to manipulate David.
That's certainly possible, but I don't know if there's much in terms of evidence to show that it's anything but the Shadow King using Lenny's image. They haven't talked about David actually absorbing anyone, and the SK has taken other forms before to stick around David without freaking him out, like the dog.
That does remind me, though, is there an explanation for David's sister believing that there was no Lenny, only Benny? It rings the same as "We never had a dog", except... there does seem to have been a Lenny and no actual proof of a Benny.
Also, I hope we get a story about Professor X beating the Shadow King and throwing his body into the ocean or something and that's why he appears all bloated and with rotting clothes.
Citizen_Insane
Member
Episode 7 was incredible. It was completely unlike anything other shows are doing right now. It's like they threw every crazy idea they could come up with together, and it somehow worked. This show is something else. I love all the cast and I really hope this show carries on with all of them around.
I caught the email thing as well. That was odd and felt very deliberate.
I caught the email thing as well. That was odd and felt very deliberate.
metalslimer
Member
Syd knew who Lenny was before they touched so she seems to have been real
JordanDeGroot
Member
I can understand that people might not think the story as a whole has moved on enough in the 7 episodes so far, I personally don't mind so much as I still enjoy things for the themes/imagery/crazy techniques they've used to tell the story.
Though I would disagree on the character development front, I think though a lot of its not exactly in your face there has been plenty of character development with David, Syd, Cary and Kerry. Even some, though definitely less so with Melanie and Oliver. Ptonomy has kind of been put aside since the earlier episodes though but I presume there's more to come from him in the future.
Miles Quaritch
Member
The show started with the main character suffering​ from hearing voices and believing he has a mental illness to those voices now going quiet, him facing some of his demons are realising he's not mentally ill but actually a mutant.
There's plenty of character development. Episode 7 saw him go from someone who was powerlesss against the Shadow King to someone who broke free from its control and took back his mind as well as filling in some history gaps.
There's plenty of character development. Episode 7 saw him go from someone who was powerlesss against the Shadow King to someone who broke free from its control and took back his mind as well as filling in some history gaps.
Where did they do this? I'd like to dig into the details of the show a little more.
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