Let's say that Trump is elected President and builds his Great Wall

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Bronx-Man said:
President Trump does that along with his pipe dream of deporting 11 million immigrants from the US during his first term. Wouldn't that just crater America's economy overnight? That would literally take an entire labor force out and with no one left to fill them since no American would want to work for less than minimum wage like many illegal immigrants do. I'm not sure if it would be a 2008-level calamity, but wouldn't someone point out to him how damaging a move that would be to America?
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when have I heard this argument before? oh right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUjLE_N1Cuc
 
Bronx-Man said:
Shattering millions of families apart ain't exactly the Emanicpation Proclamation, but thanks for playing.
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OK, use that or any other number of reasonable points as your argument against Trump deporting millions of illegal immigrants, not the supposed economic repercussions of it happening. I hope I don't see you in other threads supporting a higher minimum wage or workers rights because you assume they will improve the economic welfare of the America because in this thread you seem to believe the opposite is true.
 
OpinionatedCyborg said:
OK, use that or any other number of reasonable points as your argument against Trump deporting millions of illegal immigrants, not the supposed economic repercussions of it happening. I hope I don't see you in other threads supporting a higher minimum wage or workers rights because you assume they will improve the economic welfare of the America because in this thread you seem to believe the opposite is true.
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Wait, what?

Are you saying Bronx Man shouldn't support worker's rights or higher minimum wages because he says that removing illegal immigrants would cripple the U.S. economy that highly takes advantage of these undocumented workers to circumvent worker's rights or minimum wages?
 
LucidMomentum said:
Wait, what?

Are you saying Bronx Man shouldn't support worker's rights or higher minimum wages because he says that removing illegal immigrants would cripple the U.S. economy that highly takes advantage of these undocumented workers to circumvent worker's rights or minimum wages?
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No, you missed a key part of what I wrote. I don't want to see him arguing for increased worker's pay and benefits under the premise that they improve the economy because he is arguing for the exact opposite here: that having an underpaid underclass is beneficial to the economy. There's an obvious analogy to the economic argument slave owners made. They were wrong, and Bronx man is wrong too; exploiting people economically is good for a select few but bad for the overall economy, particularly in the long run. If you eliminate 11 million illegal jobs, the economy won't implode because suddenly business owners have to pay slightly higher, but still unfair, wages.

There are plenty of reasons why Trump's positions on illegal immigrants are terrible, but this isn't one of them.
 
adj_noun said:
Has anyone asked Trump specifically how he's planning on deporting eleven million people?
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Yes, which he hasn't answered (other than his stock 'I am great'), but then again his plan doesn't actually call for deporting 11 million people. It calls for border security (great wall of the usa) and increased enforcement aka self-deportation.

His 'plan' is documented here: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

deportation is only brought up with regards to gang members
 
OpinionatedCyborg said:
No, you missed a key part of what I wrote. I don't want to see him arguing for increased worker's pay and benefits under the premise that they improve the economy because he is arguing for the exact opposite here: that having an underpaid underclass is beneficial to the economy. There's an obvious analogy to the economic argument slave owners made. They were wrong, and Bronx man is wrong too; exploiting people economically is good for a select few but bad for the overall economy, particularly in the long run. If you eliminate 11 million illegal jobs, the economy won't implode because suddenly business owners have to pay slightly higher, but still unfair, wages.

There are plenty of reasons why Trump's positions on illegal immigrants are terrible, but this isn't one of them.
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Here's the thing, businesses wouldn't do any of that shit. Only massive reforms would end the explotation of illegal immigrants in our labor force. Trump has offered nothing even remotely similar to reforms like that.
 
sangreal said:
Yes, which he hasn't answered (other than his stock 'I am great'), but then again his plan doesn't actually call for deporting 11 million people. It calls for border security (great wall of the usa) and increased enforcement aka self-deportation.

His 'plan' is documented here: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

deportation is only brought up with regards to gang members
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In the debates didn't he say he was gonna force Mexico to pay the cost of deporting illegal immigrants? lol.
 
Nozem said:
Thats why we need some of these:

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We would just go all Machete on their non-existent asses.
 
LucidMomentum said:
Wait, what?

Are you saying Bronx Man shouldn't support worker's rights or higher minimum wages because he says that removing illegal immigrants would cripple the U.S. economy that highly takes advantage of these undocumented workers to circumvent worker's rights or minimum wages?
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The argument people are making in this thread -- that we need illegal immigrants to work in poor conditions for no pay -- isn't an argument on immigration at all. It's an argument against labor standards
 
adj_noun said:
Has anyone asked Trump specifically how he's planning on deporting eleven million people?
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What, are you kidding me? I get elected, Day One, those people are on their way out. The people on this stage can't do that. I can do that. I'm elected and those people will be gone so fast that the cost of tacos will skyrocket.

And don't get me wrong, I love the Mexican people. I pay a lot of their wages. But the ones that didn't come here legally, they're gone. And if they wanna come back in they gotta do it legally, through that big beautiful door we're gonna put in that wall. It'll be phenomenal, let me tell ya.
 
You guys do realize that Trump knows that that is a ridiculous idea right? It's classic negotiations man. He knows that shit is crazy so that they can get that out of the way and meet him half way. Which I assume is better documentation of illegals.

Get them into the system and have them paying taxes and shit. It'll look great.


On paper.
 
Bit-Bit said:
You guys do realize that Trump knows that that is a ridiculous idea right? It's classic negotiations man. He knows that shit is crazy so that they can get that out of the way and meet him half way. Which I assume is better documentation of illegals.

Get them into the system and have them paying taxes and shit. It'll look great.


On paper.
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I don't think the people supporting him are gonna be mollified with some half measure or compromise. Half the reason he appeals to them is the perception he's a straight taking non politician with a track record for getting things done.

He's promised a gigantic wall Mexico will pay for and all 11 million undocumenteds gone. When he cannot deliver that hoo boy.
 
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