I'm sure it would, the loss of 7 million workers would hurt the economy, when you consider that they are doing jobs Most people wouldn't do, and that they make up large parts of some industries.
Let's say that Trump is elected President and builds his Great Wall
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Orbis Tabula
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lol, very good.
Just did a business trip out to west Kansas. It's anywhere from 50-70% Hispanic in those small towns. Of course not all are illegal immigrants but entire towns economies would crash if they even tried doing something like this. It's generally the meat processing facilities were they are mostly employed
n0razi
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Or triple their prices.... hello $25 burger and fries!
you say that like paying workings below minimum wage and other illegal working standards is a good thing
but to answer your question, there is a difference between being against unregulated immigration and opposing any low-skill immigrant workforce. Trump, like most people, are in the former camp
What's really going to happen is some increase of hate crimes against brown people who people think are illegals. There are going to be a ton of innocent legal people getting harassed, beat up, killed by ignorant bigots that think they got the support of the president to take matters into their own hands.
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Can Americans choose to work for less than minimum wage? Isn't it illegal?
That is not true. You can instead pay your staff properly and raise prices. You can also substitute capital for labour or take advantage of economies of scale in prep via standardizing and wholesale supply (ex: chain restaurants on the lower end).
It would likely shrink as marginal businesses ate the cost and couldn't fully offset but it removes the market distortions caused by illegal wages.
leatherhat
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Ah, the old "We need illegals so businesses can exploit them but I swear I care about them" argument. Yes dismantling a system where foreigners are taken advantage of so native workers can be undercut is going to hurt the economy at first. Even then is such a system worth preserving?
metalslimer
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No it's not but deporting them won't raise their wages.
leatherhat
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No it won't, but it will force businesses to hire Americans at a living wage with decent conditions. With labor saving technology (robots, drones, AI advancements, etc) the need for massive unskilled labor will evaporate at an even faster rate.
sure ....
leatherhat
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What are you saying here? Businesses will use robots to replace them? They won't hire anyone at all?
They'll pay americans a shit wage and americans will like it.
Or keep the wage there, and inflate it's actual value away.
You don't eliminate the existance of a worst-off class by deporting it away.
Dude Abides
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It probably would have some effect but it wouldn't tank it or cause a 2008-style recession.
leatherhat
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There are minimum wage laws for a reason. In California, a state with a large illegal population, it's nine dollars (according to google, correct me if I'm wrong). No doubt a significant increase over illegal wages. People should look into the work of Cesar Chavez who saw the obvious detriment illegal immigration was to strong labor unions and fair pay.
EatinOlives
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You're oversimplifying. Just applying a percentage and viewing a "7 million" figure as an amorphous blob ignores the specific jobs they're taking, why they're taking them, how much they're paid, what those jobs contribute to the skeletal infrastructure of the nation, and how all of the above gets changed when you start deporting en masse without taking any of the above into account.
This is just a (poor) argument against minimum wages and reasonable working conditions. It has nothing to do with whether immigration should be regulated. Regardless of what you think of the minimum wage, the answer is clearly not to support law-breaking on a mass scale is it?
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Once again the south trying to keep their slaves.
Dude Abides
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Ok, explain how taking all of those things into the account sends us into another horrible recession. While you're at it explain what "skeletal infrastructure" is supposed to mean.
I'd wager that exactly zero people are surprised by this
ItWasMeantToBe19
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It's more like "hey you dumbfucks, if you deport 11 million people, you will end up destroying the economy along with the lives of millions of families."
It's called approaching a situation from another perspective.
I don't give a flying fuck about religion, but I'm still glad that religious people care about doing things about climate change.
Rand Paul and Mike Lee hate black people, but they could be convinced to stop imprisoning so many black people just because it's so expensive.
CertifiedFP
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I want to reiterate on my earlier point, with a question:
What does it say about your economy when it relies on non-citizens making sub-minimum wage in order to function? How does that NOT tell you that your economy is a disaster in desperate need of an overhaul?
What does it say about your economy when it relies on non-citizens making sub-minimum wage in order to function? How does that NOT tell you that your economy is a disaster in desperate need of an overhaul?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Let me rephrase your nonsensical question with a question that actually makes sense: "What does it say about your economy that if your economy loses several million workers, it would go into a recession?"
And the answer is, it says nothing about your economy since losing millions of workers would be harmful to every economy that has ever existed or will ever exist.
Rentahamster
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I doubt he's 100% serious about that plan. Much like other politicians aren't 100% serious about their plans.
Robdraggoo
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Trump wont build anything. If he makes it out of the primary, i can guarantee we will never hear about the wall again
for argument's sake, if these businesses that exploit illegal immigrant labor by paying them less than the minimum wages are profitable as things are, and this labor were to disappear, wouldn't that create a shortage of labor in those jobs (or decrease the supply of labor), which would mean those businesses, which now are not producing anything without labor and thus not making a profit, have to offer higher wages to get someone to resume production? Assuming that they are still profitable (though not as much) paying those higher wages.
Manmademan
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not saying the above is remotely plausible, but there is a sky high unemployment rate among minorities (about 9%) and those under the age of 25 (about 11%).
if illegal immigrants just "Vanished" overnight, those sectors would eventually fill in the gaps, though businesses might actually have to pay them fairly.
TheKaeptain
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Every restaurant in America would go out of business.
That's only because we will be the ones building it.
That's only because we will be the ones building it.
Restaurants aren't even an essential industry. But of course they wouldn't all go out of business. I worked at Papa Johns - everyone was on the books. The markup for food is incredible. Pick a different industry, your hyperbole is wrong.
TheKaeptain
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I'm not talking about the fast food industry.
tearsintherain
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Presidential Campaigns promise whatever the current listening audience wants to hear. In primaries its all about how guns are awesome and immigrants need to be deported so they stop raping everyone. During the general election it will veer sharply to how each candidate will create 10 million jobs by waving a magic wand and fight terrorism by being awesome at freedom.
Nothing any candidate "promises" right now will ever even be talked about in 2017.
Just like in 2008 it was a top campaign priority of Obama to pass the DREAM act (man look how young he looks!). To be fair he tried hard but had no support, anywhere really
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GwNVo7siFA
Nothing any candidate "promises" right now will ever even be talked about in 2017.
Just like in 2008 it was a top campaign priority of Obama to pass the DREAM act (man look how young he looks!). To be fair he tried hard but had no support, anywhere really
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GwNVo7siFA
luckygodzilla
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At the very least the price of produce would skyrocket. Most Americans are unaware just how much the cost of their produce is subsidized by sub-minimum wage labor from illegal immigrants. We already saw this in Arizona, most Americans are unwilling to do 40+ hour back breaking work weeks under the beating sun for minimum wage.
Once you start paying apple pickers $15 and hour with benefits, well let's just say things are going to get expensive at the supermarket.
Once you start paying apple pickers $15 and hour with benefits, well let's just say things are going to get expensive at the supermarket.
Hexa
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How do other countries handle it?
shira
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Did you read how trump is paying for the wall. LOL nobody's giving him shit and nobody is going to deport 15 million people.
How would Mexico even be able to support these 15 million people coming back. There would be a job vaccuum in the US and a job surplus in Mexico leading both economies into the shitter.
Either by Import (most common) or sky-rocketed produce prices (still kinda common).
The Maverick
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Such a thing would never happen. People would literally riot. There's people that would rather fight to stay in the US and make below minimum wage working killer jobs than to be forced back to their home country.
BoboBrazil
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It would be tough, but we wouldn't be able to rely on a migrant and easily exploitable work force. We bristle at the thought of being exploited, but don't mind so much when it's other people being taken advantage of. Especially if it keeps the cost of our food down.
Mexico and Central America would be forced to address their myriad social, political, cultural, and economic problems. In the long run, it would be better for all the countries involved if the United States stopped being those countries' safety valve.
NJDEN
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The only thing Trump is doing is selling himself, he wants to be (more) famous... he could care less about the presidency.
As we move closer to decision time Trump will drop out of the race even if he is ahead and claim something along the line of "I don't want to deal with these idiots"
As we move closer to decision time Trump will drop out of the race even if he is ahead and claim something along the line of "I don't want to deal with these idiots"
YES, we need to build a Trump wall and make it Big, Strong and Beautiful but have a door that allows people to enter legally ! It can be done with the right person, the right Man for the job and a builder that's built great things in America, that no other politician can because they are all talk and no action ! It can be done, under Donald J. Trump !
Crimson-Death
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From 2011,
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/14/alabama-immigration-law-workers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=truIRO9xWtE
And there were more reports from other places, but yeah, American citizens are just too good to go picking their own crops, so let it all rot and prices go up.
Three or four places I'm aware of would implode in on themselves and thousands of customers would fail to receive proper service and be completely fucked if Trump's great business acumen takes charge of the country.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/14/alabama-immigration-law-workers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=truIRO9xWtE
And there were more reports from other places, but yeah, American citizens are just too good to go picking their own crops, so let it all rot and prices go up.
Three or four places I'm aware of would implode in on themselves and thousands of customers would fail to receive proper service and be completely fucked if Trump's great business acumen takes charge of the country.
Zepp Twofist
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China will go to war over having competition in the "Great Wall"-niche of tourism.
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