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asdad123

Member
I see a MacBook Pro 13 2016 Touch Bar on Craiglist for $800.

It has i7 CPU
16GB RAM
512GB SSD
2 Battery Cycles
Brand New, still in factory wrappings

What should I look for before buying this? Is this worth it?


2 battery cycles but brand new still in wrappings? Those two make no sense. I'm thinking scam or stolen.
 
2 battery cycles but brand new still in wrappings? Those two make no sense. I'm thinking scam or stolen.

Depends if it meant the box is factory wrapped, or if the pieces come in the factory wrappings (the plastic sheathes). It's really easy to test if you're just slipping off the plastic protective stuff. It's 999% a scam if the box is sealed.
 
Depends if it meant the box is factory wrapped, or if the pieces come in the factory wrappings (the plastic sheathes). It's really easy to test if you're just slipping off the plastic protective stuff. It's 999% a scam if the box is sealed.

It was open, but the owner said he never turned it on. It was covered in factory wrappings.
 

stenbumling

Unconfirmed Member
So I decided, against all reason (I already have a perfectly functional Air), to purchase a MBP 13. I can pretty much only afford one upgrade, so the question becomes: Is it more worthwhile to invest in extra RAM or a better processor? I will mainly use it for writing and not-too-heavy surfing, but I am also quite interested in image editing and graphic design in general. I am interested in 3D work and animation as well, but I will just use my stationary computer for the really heavy stuff.
 
So I decided, against all reason (I already have a perfectly functional Air), to purchase a MBP 13. I can pretty much only afford one upgrade, so the question becomes: Is it more worthwhile to invest in extra RAM or a better processor? I will mainly use it for writing and not-too-heavy surfing, but I am also quite interested in image editing and graphic design in general. I am interested in 3D work and animation as well, but I will just use my stationary computer for the really heavy stuff.

RAM 100%, not even a question. It's debatable if you'd ever see the difference of 200-400MHz or the i7 hyperthreading, but the 16GB of RAM will be more useful for your use-cases.
 

Water

Member
I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but the box-to-use experience on these things is still so damn good, 6 years later. We have outright clones like the Xiaomi, competitors like the XPS 13 and HP Spectre...and they still make find a way to make compromises that I wasn't ready to live with. Say what you will about Apple but they do aim for a zero-excuses, no compromise day one appeal.
What significant compromises does the XPS 13 have? Seems like a very solid machine to me, and they just got the new quadcore processors. I'm not aware of any issues except poor webcam placement - is that a dealbreaker for you?

I've been waiting to buy a high-end laptop for ages now, and Macs are dead to me due to the direction Apple has been taking the last decade (pitiful graphics features/support/performance while even reducing keyboard quality). I'll either go for something like the XPS 13 or a 2-in-1 with good stylus and plan to use an external GPU via Thunderbolt, or a laptop that has dedicated graphics but is still compact and lightweight. Unfortunately Razer hasn't yet figured out how to sell Blade laptops to Finland, and Microsoft chooses to stay in the stone age with no Thunderbolt or even USB-C on Surfaces.
 
What significant compromises does the XPS 13 have? Seems like a very solid machine to me, and they just got the new quadcore processors. I'm not aware of any issues except poor webcam placement - is that a dealbreaker for you?

Not a dealbreaker but pretty much a “why even bother?” feature. I do think the screen is impressive, but the keyboard and trackpad felt pretty vanilla, they still can’t help but ply stickers and logos on it, and the GPU isn’t even as capable as the MBP model.

It could be a great model in daily use, just in my limited experience it was like an A+ top with a C+ bottom in terms of luxury “here’s what this is great at”. Would probably take a mouse with it.
 

febLey

Member
I've been waiting to buy a high-end laptop for ages now, and Macs are dead to me due to the direction Apple has been taking the last decade (pitiful graphics features/support/performance while even reducing keyboard quality).
I think the 2nd Gen Butterfly switches are great, I really like the Keyboard of my MBP. All others Keyboards now feel too mushy to me, especially the older MBPs.
And the trackpads are still unmatched.
 

Vuze

Member
Dayum, Automator is crazy powerful and easy to pick up :eek:o
Just created a workflow to resign apps I want to sideload and push them (well, sort of) to my device in under an hour without any pre-existing knowledge about Automator whatsoever.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
I think the 2nd Gen Butterfly switches are great, I really like the Keyboard of my MBP. All others Keyboards now feel too mushy to me, especially the older MBPs.
And the trackpads are still unmatched.

Yeah, that's where I don't agree with a lot of people on the keyboards. It's really a question of whether you prefer travel to precision, and the new keyboards are heavy on the latter, mostly non-existent on the former. Given that the only way to get both rather than compromise both is a mechanical keyboard, and given that's impossible to fit into a thin laptop, I'm personally fine with the direction they've gone. Only takes a few minutes for me to re-train back to any given keyboard anyhow.
 
Yeah, that's where I don't agree with a lot of people on the keyboards. It's really a question of whether you prefer travel to precision, and the new keyboards are heavy on the latter, mostly non-existent on the former. Given that the only way to get both rather than compromise both is a mechanical keyboard, and given that's impossible to fit into a thin laptop, I'm personally fine with the direction they've gone. Only takes a few minutes for me to re-train back to any given keyboard anyhow.

Whether you like the feel of the butterfly keyboard or not is subjective (after a year of use I still dislike it). What's not subjective is that they are failing more often. Stuck keys has been a common issue, which due to the build of the MBP, require a replacement of the whole front housing.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
Whether you like the feel of the butterfly keyboard or not is subjective (after a year of use I still dislike it). What's not subjective is that they are failing more often. Stuck keys has been a common issue, which due to the build of the MBP, require a replacement of the whole front housing.

If you don't have access to failure rates, I'm not sure that's actually objective. That the construction of the new models necessitates block repair is certainly true.
 
If you don't have access to failure rates, I'm not sure that's actually objective. That the construction of the new models necessitates block repair is certainly true.

Well, I'm going by the number of people complaining about it online, plus the off-the-record comments a Genius told me when I had my 2016 MBP keyboard replaced recently.
 
Was there a macOS app people were using to help organize different Chrome windows so they can work together with Spaces? I think something like that existed but I can't track it down.
 
Well, still enjoying the hardware honeymoon but software honeymoon is over I guess. Randomly 1 finder window is scrambled, but appears fine in screenshots, kill finder and restarting mac don't even fix it; you have to blindly click where the window close button is.

Not convinced I'm getting a new MBP but time to do a full reinstall of High Sierra! (drinks a shot)
 
I have an older MagSafe charger that I got from a friend and tried to buy a MagSafe 2 adapter to use on my MacBook Pro but when I plug it up my battery doesn't charge... the adapter still lights up and the battery doesn't drain...but it doesn't charge either.

Anyone have any experience with this?
 

kennah

Member
I have an older MagSafe charger that I got from a friend and tried to buy a MagSafe 2 adapter to use on my MacBook Pro but when I plug it up my battery doesn't charge... the adapter still lights up and the battery doesn't drain...but it doesn't charge either.

Anyone have any experience with this?

You might be trying to use a 45W MacBook Air charger on an 85W MacBook Pro.
 
Alright then.. I've ordered a new SSD and some tools for my Mac mini. I hope I don't screw this up.

Get an empty egg carton or other series of small cups— put all of the screws from one step of an iFixit guide in one cup, and proceed through the cups in order.

I used two jeweller's screw drivers instead of iFixit's specialized tool for sliding the motherboard out. You just put a couple of rods of the appropriate diameter in the holes and lever the logic board out.
 

jiiikoo

Banned
This is not specific to Mac hardware/softmare, more of a iCloud question but anyways. My SO just upgraded her iCloud Drive storage to 200Gb and I'm using a 50Gb account myself and she wanted to share the 200Gb plan with me to save me 1€. If I join her family plan, do all of my stuff that's on my iCloud Drive get ported over to hers or do I have to move everything there manually? Hope this made sense to someone.

The data itself does not get shared, you will still have separate drives. You're just pooling the amount of space

Thanks.
 
This is not specific to Mac hardware/softmare, more of a iCloud question but anyways. My SO just upgraded her iCloud Drive storage to 200Gb and I'm using a 50Gb account myself and she wanted to share the 200Gb plan with me to save me 1€. If I join her family plan, do all of my stuff that's on my iCloud Drive get ported over to hers or do I have to move everything there manually? Hope this made sense to someone.

The data itself does not get shared, you will still have separate drives. You’re just pooling the amount of space
 

Wolffen

Member
GAF: what's your opinion on the best way or place to sell a used MacBook Air? I bought one (refurbished from Apple) two years ago, and then a year later, work got us MacBook Pros. I haven't used the Air since. Suggestions?
 
I did a thing - I bought a 15 inch Macbook Pro in Space Gray and with the trackpad. It's an i7 with 16 GB of RAM. Holy shit - what an upgrade over my 13 inch Macbook Air with 4GB of RAM without retina.
 
What differences did you notice? What year was your MacBook Air?

It was a 2012. The computer is much faster. I am a developer so just booting up applications is much snappier. I can run emulators on this thing for app development and it's no problem. I can partition 4GB and still have 12 GB of RAM on my machine to do whatever. Plus, all my programs just run way faster now. It's just a great machine. I needed an upgrade for about a year since my development has gotten a little more intense. This is purely a development machine. I am keeping my Air because I love that machine too.

I mean - this is a big step up. The RAM increase is huge, a Retina display is radically different and the keyboard is awesome. I don't know why people were complaining about it. I type so much faster on this thing compared to my old machine.
 
I screwed up in factory resetting. During installation, it froze in the middle for a few hours so I shut it down. Now I’m here. MacBook Pro was in High Sierra.

Bqc8bgDh.jpg

Help!

APFS was initially selected, but greyed out


Why is Mac trying to install Sierra instead of High Sierra.

Edit: Solved. Should’ve pressed “Shift + Option + Command + R” from the beginning.
 

RS4-

Member
Still worth buying the 2012 MBP? As much as I'd like the Retina resolution, the lack of storage space (and the price if I want to move from 256 or whatever to 480 is ridiculous), and the stock 8GB of ram blows.

So I'm just trying to find the non-Retina versions instead for about $400 USD up here in Canada. The Retinas were around $475ish.

The 2012 is the last MBP that has relatively easy upgrades right? Sort of missed out on a 2011 MBP with an SSD I believe for 225 USD but I was concerned about the battery count and possibly the chance of the next OS just running like shit lol.
 
Still worth buying the 2012 MBP? As much as I'd like the Retina resolution, the lack of storage space (and the price if I want to move from 256 or whatever to 480 is ridiculous), and the stock 8GB of ram blows.

So I'm just trying to find the non-Retina versions instead for about $400 USD up here in Canada. The Retinas were around $475ish.

The 2012 is the last MBP that has relatively easy upgrades right? Sort of missed out on a 2011 MBP with an SSD I believe for 225 USD but I was concerned about the battery count and possibly the chance of the next OS just running like shit lol.

2012 is the last year, I think, that you can upgrade things on your own. I think you made the right move passing on a 2011 computer. I think running a six year old OS might be a little sluggish.

I think you'd be okay with the 2012. It's a little old but it's a good price. Just do your due diligence to check on the battery cycle count and see the computer in-person.
 

RS4-

Member
2012 is the last year, I think, that you can upgrade things on your own. I think you made the right move passing on a 2011 computer. I think running a six year old OS might be a little sluggish.

I think you'd be okay with the 2012. It's a little old but it's a good price. Just do your due diligence to check on the battery cycle count and see the computer in-person.

Cheers for the reply. I might just end up going for a 2014 or later MBP. As much as I'd like the 2012 for being able to add my own ram and run an SSD + HDD, age and the yearly OS updates kind of stop me from just buying one unless it's a really good deal lol.
 
I'm looking to buy a Thunderbolt 3 cable 40gbps to transfer data from one mac to another.

Where's a good place to get them at a lower price? I should've gotten on when Apple had most of their cables on sale.
 
Cheers for the reply. I might just end up going for a 2014 or later MBP. As much as I'd like the 2012 for being able to add my own ram and run an SSD + HDD, age and the yearly OS updates kind of stop me from just buying one unless it's a really good deal lol.

I didn't want to persuade you to buy one thing or another, but I was going to recommend going for a later product. I think a 2014 product will serve you well. Two years isn't a big stretch but a five year old computer is a big difference compared to a three year old computer, if that makes sense?
 

Ambitious

Member
Get an empty egg carton or other series of small cups— put all of the screws from one step of an iFixit guide in one cup, and proceed through the cups in order.

I used two jeweller's screw drivers instead of iFixit's specialized tool for sliding the motherboard out. You just put a couple of rods of the appropriate diameter in the holes and lever the logic board out.

According to multiple comments to iFixit's guide, it's not necessary to remove the logic board. So I didn't even order the removal tool.
I'm gonna pick up the SSD later today. The other tools should arrive tomorrow.
 
According to multiple comments to iFixit's guide, it's not necessary to remove the logic board. So I didn't even order the removal tool.
I'm gonna pick up the SSD later today. The other tools should arrive tomorrow.

I can't remember if I tried to do it without pulling the board or not; I might have just done it to look at it because I think it's neat.
 
Anyone know how to disable the Touch Bar on the MacBook Pro when using a specific application. I find myself hitting the Siri button when I am trying to write extensive code.
 

RS4-

Member
I didn't want to persuade you to buy one thing or another, but I was going to recommend going for a later product. I think a 2014 product will serve you well. Two years isn't a big stretch but a five year old computer is a big difference compared to a three year old computer, if that makes sense?

Yeah, I've been looking at 2014s and later. Found a 13" 2014 retina, 8GB and 250 SSD for about 750 USD (which I think is OK?) unfortunately it has 800 cycles on the battery. Not too sure if I'd be able to talk them down in price because it sounds like I'd end up replacing the battery probably within a year. Which is what, another 300 CAD here from Apple.
 
Yeah, I've been looking at 2014s and later. Found a 13" 2014 retina, 8GB and 250 SSD for about 750 USD (which I think is OK?) unfortunately it has 800 cycles on the battery. Not too sure if I'd be able to talk them down in price because it sounds like I'd end up replacing the battery probably within a year. Which is what, another 300 CAD here from Apple.

800 is bad. Find another. Try low ball other MacBooks on Craigslist.

You could get a MBP 13 2016 256GB Non Touch Bar for $750 around here.
 

RS4-

Member
800 is bad. Find another. Try low ball other MacBooks on Craigslist.

You could get a MBP 13 2016 256GB Non Touch Bar for $750 around here.

Fuck, I wish I had that kind of shit around here. Everyone around me is just trying to get people to bite for these prices. Some people want that much for a 2010-11

I'll just keep an eye out for it, I'm in no rush. Probably just gonna wait and see how iPhone X stock shakes out during release.
 

RS4-

Member
Lol sorry to annoy you guys with this shit.

Found a 2012 :( for $400 USD. 8GB and 256 SSD, 130 on the battery count. Everyone else is overpriced, especially with 4GBs and mechanical drives.
Just terrible all around.

Gonna wait a few more days and see what happens.
 
This computer is very nice and easily the best Mac I have ever had. I love the keyboard. The only thing I am not a fan of is the Siri button being so close to the Delete button. I see myself hitting it too much. I just have to get used to it. My fiancee complimented the design a lot. Her Mac is about five years old. I might start saving to get her a 12 inch MacBook.

For reference, I have the 15 inch MacBook Pro, 2017. It is easily the most I have ever spent on a computer but it was an investment in my career.
 
This computer is very nice and easily the best Mac I have ever had. I love the keyboard. The only thing I am not a fan of is the Siri button being so close to the Delete button. I see myself hitting it too much. I just have to get used to it. My fiancee complimented the design a lot. Her Mac is about five years old. I might start saving to get her a 12 inch MacBook.

For reference, I have the 15 inch MacBook Pro, 2017. It is easily the most I have ever spent on a computer but it was an investment in my career.

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