No, you're not.
Give it a month or two and the majority of people are going to come back at this one with a more critical opinion about it...
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Marvel's Daredevil S2 |OT| No More Half Measures - March 18th on Netflix
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No, you're not.
Give it a month or two and the majority of people are going to come back at this one with a more critical opinion about it...
harriet the spy
Member
Though I enjoy the show a lot, I should probably be watching something else, as I must be one of the few here that
can't stand Daredevil/Murdock at all. Electra and Punisher were far better characters, they were both more fun as super/antiheroes and as humans. Daredevil is a hypocrite, an asshole, ineffective as a superhero, and such a fucking bore.
Piku_Ringo
Banned
So whatever happened the whole
?
I can't remember if it was given a conclusion or not.
Matt going deaf subplot
I can't remember if it was given a conclusion or not.
harriet the spy
Member
I must have been half-asleep watching the show, but was it not just a somewhat prolonged reaction to having heard a gunshot so close to his ears?
Baroquemantic
Member
Episode 8
This group of ninjas running through the streets and across rooftops is funny to me. It just looks so goofy.
Awww snap. He's back! Wonder what Fisk wants.
slow? Season 1 dragged midway too far.
Miles? Lol take a seat
Discotheque
Banned
He meant lightyears.
There is a seat next to his
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Disco meant parsecs.
These seats are in a movie theatre so room for all
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
We're only there to watch an indie film of you taking a seat.
Certainly not I liked S1 more, Punisher was AMAZING but doesn't hold up the rest of the season.
Agreed except for casting. That casting is perfection.
SuperEpicMan
Banned
Just finished this tonight, some thoughts and spoilers:
Pros
Cons
Overall though it was a pretty solid 9/10 for me.
Pros
- Punisher.
- Elektra.
- Excellent pacing throughout.
- Interesting discussion on
vigilante ethics regarding killing. (namely the scene where the punisher explains his point of view to a chained up Matt).
Cons
- Last episode goes down with a bit of a fizzle.
- It gave a slightly unsatisfying conclusion to the Hand storyline.
- Some of the action was a bit off.
- Didnt quite tie together in the end.
The first 4 episodes kinda deal with the punisher, then he is in hospital and it introduces elektra just as Matt thinks his problems have been sorted. The plot shifts towards the hand/chaste, whilst the punishers story runs kinda in parallel, but they don't quite join up in the end in a satisfying way. The build up to the last episode and when Punisher gets his costume was awesome, I was thinking he was gonna come in and start helping Matt by mowing down ninjas with his minigun, but he just kinda pops a couple of shots on a distant rooftop. It wasn't as satisfying as I had hoped.
Overall though it was a pretty solid 9/10 for me.
Baroquemantic
Member
Episode 9
Gawddamn that prison massacre. That was amazing. A work of art.
Fisk still a Gotdamn boss.
Matt got bodied. He needed that.
Fisk still a Gotdamn boss.
Matt got bodied. He needed that.
I actually liked Elektra, both the character and the actress. I just think the way they handled her in the plot was sloppy. It was really the whole
Hand
I still really enjoyed the season overall. I'd give it a 7 or 8. Season 1 is better though.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
I don't know why everyone thinks Punisher was so great, he was okay. Elektra is the standout of the season imo.
Show still has major pacing issues, it's straight up boring at times and Foggy gets WAY too much screen time.
Show still has major pacing issues, it's straight up boring at times and Foggy gets WAY too much screen time.
I think its pretty funny how it takes time...
Baroquemantic
Member
Episode 10
Wow. That was crazy.
Wow. That was crazy.
And what the hell, stick?!
What? The punisher was amazing. Every scene he's in he completely steals it or at least plays off amazingly with whatever other character is there.
Elektra, not only is the actress completely lifeless and dull, I thought her fight scenes were all terrible. Her entire subplot was executed badly, I just kept wondering what Frank was doing the whole time.
Foggy is
awesome and the more of him there is telling Matt how much of a tool he's being, the better.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Generally, no. That's one of the most interesting aspects of his character because he has two strong justifications for being that way. #1 being his religious faith, and #2 being his faith in the justice system. I've always looked at comic Daredevil as someone who believes in the courts, but realizes there are places and things that the justice system can't reach and he is filling in the gaps, especially in regards to corruption.
He has killed in the comics, but it could be argued that he was under outside influence at the time for some of them. Paging Slayven & the Comic Brigade! I've kept up with Daredevil for a few years, but I'm sure I'm forgetting about something.
But I would put his No Kill rule even above Batman's as being intrinsic to the character.
How did JJ end up getting so much hate?
It was a much stronger series then Daredevil season 1. It had its low points like the side plots and the finale but it achieved some things I frankly haven't ever seen another comic book show or film achieve with the way it chronicled a woman trying to survive and move past an abusive relationship.
It could have gone from a good season to a great one if it cut the unnecessary filler but the Kilgrave character and the dynamic between JJ and him was better then anything Marvel has produced before or since.
I imagine auditions hinged solely on who could say "Matthew" the sexiest.
Half of JJ was filler, the strength of her powers was wildly inconsistent, the characters acted like morons half of the time just to let Killgrave escape again, even if talentless me would have played that Robyn character I'd be ashamed of my acting, and instead of noir world weary, Ritter just sound whiny most of the time.
I agree that DD s1 was overrated, much of it felt like plodding, but it was still a lot better than JJ, because of photography and choreography if nothing else. JJ was still okay, after being offended by much of the second half stupidness, the ending just about convinced me to watch the second season, though I'm not looking forward to it. But not so DD s2. I honestly think this is the best that Marvel has ever done, up there with Guardians, Winter Soldier and Iron Man 1. Want to talk boring, let's talk Avengers.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Eugh yes the film where all of Marvel's heroes fought for the first time was 'boring'. Jesus Christ MCU threads give me a migraine sometimes.
katsubento
Member
Up to season 10 so far. I am enjoying the ride but trying to space it out so it won't be all gone too soon.
Like Spekkeh said, it felt like it could have been a 5 EP series. Felt very long and fillery.
Stopped around Ep 9 or 10 i think. No rush to finish it so far. With DD S1 i had the urge to finish it through in one sitting. Same with DD S2.
Theyscene where Killgrave goons rescue him from the van was so bad. JJ got overwhelmed by 3 guys she already had slapped / thrown 2-3 to the ground before (with her power, one attack should be enough to silence them). Her power is really inconsinstent and her overall acting was not always convincing.
Overall DD is very solid. Not everything has to be OMG GOAT series or Trash of the year.
JJ is the only show that has actually tried to tackle a serious subject in the Marvel universe and largely succeeded. Chronicling both the perpetrator and the victim of rape and abuse. Going through her struggle to regain self worth, independence and power by overcoming the trauma and PTSD of her abuser. While also getting an intimate insight into the abuser himself. And how such people rationalize their behavior.
The filler was there, and none very good, as has been in all Netflix shows so far. The cringe worthy moments definitely exceeded any from daredevil. They really should cut down about 3 episodes each season across the board for all these series IMO. Like daredevil, the dialogue at times could leave a lot to be desired. Still, overall, JJ told an interesting story and produced a uniquely intriguing narrative and character dynamic and journey that I haven't seen anywhere else in this universe. Daredevil gave me a show a 15 year old could appreciate, JJ gave me a show that at its core was much more mature, subtle, complex and character driven then what Marvel has produced before. And a villain that frankly, is better then almost any I have seen in comic book films or TV short of the Joker. Which is all due to that relationship and the complexity of the character.
I haven't finished DD season 2 but it may surpass JJ from an entertainment perspective but so far nothing has come close to some of the deeper components of JJ.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
JJ dealt with a lot of mature concepts, had a lot of potential and dealt with the best pure villain in the MCU. Unfortunately it had SO much filler. The blond guy especially was awful and the divorce subplot went nowhere. Jessica and Luke also have zero chemistry together. I think that's on Luke. Mike Colter is so stoic and boring.
Only half way through the season now, but every episode since episode 3 felt like they were 10 minutes too long. Lots of scenes could have done with some trimming to make it feel tighter.
Only time I remember Daredevil killing is when he was under the influence of a ninja demon
DrROBschiz
Member
Loved every Netflix installment so far
JJ and DD2 definitely struggle for the endings though
I wonder why this keeps happening even though they switch showrunners
Is it the Netflix model that causes this? Ending issues seem to be common threads
JJ and DD2 definitely struggle for the endings though
I wonder why this keeps happening even though they switch showrunners
Is it the Netflix model that causes this? Ending issues seem to be common threads
peanutbutterlatte
Member
One thing might be that they insist on doing big plot arcs rather than issues of the week. The first season of DD was better at doing issues that were related to the Kingpin arc.
Like I felt JJ would have massively benefited from making the Purple Man a looming threat until the latter half of the season, and then have it be a procedural for the other half.
Finished S2.
Overall I'd say it was better than Season 1 as a whole but it comes at the cost of the flaws that were present in Season 1, which are equally present in here, being much harder to ignore in this season, mostly because Fisk was such a great antagonist that he managed to offset everything by a ridiculously dominant margin.
Punisher and his story is the best thing about this season and is easily the best character Murdock has to bounce off of. He needs a new mini-series greenlit yesterday. Elektra though... not so much. Honestly a large majority of this season's problems draw back to her and she's by far the weakest link this season has. The actress is fine but the material she has to work with is a total washout. She has so little agency throughout much of this running and she's really not an interesting character at all to follow. It felt like she fit into the typical arc of a personality that exists only to stray the lead off of their intended path (which works in a way since it ties into the storyline but this character is kind of wasted). When she does get purpose of her own it still doesn't exactly work to serve her own character. I dig that a few more plot threads are juggled this time around but only some end in a satisfying matter, and hers is not one of them.
It was pretty good but there's definitely a whole bunch of room to improve.
Overall I'd say it was better than Season 1 as a whole but it comes at the cost of the flaws that were present in Season 1, which are equally present in here, being much harder to ignore in this season, mostly because Fisk was such a great antagonist that he managed to offset everything by a ridiculously dominant margin.
Punisher and his story is the best thing about this season and is easily the best character Murdock has to bounce off of. He needs a new mini-series greenlit yesterday. Elektra though... not so much. Honestly a large majority of this season's problems draw back to her and she's by far the weakest link this season has. The actress is fine but the material she has to work with is a total washout. She has so little agency throughout much of this running and she's really not an interesting character at all to follow. It felt like she fit into the typical arc of a personality that exists only to stray the lead off of their intended path (which works in a way since it ties into the storyline but this character is kind of wasted). When she does get purpose of her own it still doesn't exactly work to serve her own character. I dig that a few more plot threads are juggled this time around but only some end in a satisfying matter, and hers is not one of them.
It was pretty good but there's definitely a whole bunch of room to improve.
Just finished. I think I liked Season 2 more overall, but I do agree that Season 1 has much higher highs.
I also echo many of the comments about Elektra just not being a very interesting or well written character, and her involvement ultimately feels kinda unnecessary tbh. I don't have a problem with the casting, but I kinda wish she had been saved for a later season, which would also have had the positive effect of freeing up some time to potentially build up a better central villain for the season.
The last few episodes felt kinda lackluster tbh.
I also echo many of the comments about Elektra just not being a very interesting or well written character, and her involvement ultimately feels kinda unnecessary tbh. I don't have a problem with the casting, but I kinda wish she had been saved for a later season, which would also have had the positive effect of freeing up some time to potentially build up a better central villain for the season.
The last few episodes felt kinda lackluster tbh.
That final fight on the roof is probably one of the least impressive ones in the season.
This show's portrayal of police and legal proceedings are like the writers haven't even seen so much as an episode of Law and Order.
I want to like this show more than I do, but the writing and plotting are like a self-published book that didn't spring for anything beyond basic proofreading sometimes...
I want to like this show more than I do, but the writing and plotting are like a self-published book that didn't spring for anything beyond basic proofreading sometimes...