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Marvel's Luke Cage |OT| Bulletproof While Black - September 30th on Netflix

Charles Brandon

Charles Brandon

Member
What do we make of whatshernames politics? "Keep Harlem Black" etc. Seems kinda controversial but I'm not really well placed to comment, being English.
 
B

Boney

Banned
Having Cage as the all powerful force of good that was battling for Harlem was what made the show for me. Instead of hopeful it's a bit grim to think that such force would be the only to make people accountable.

Cottonmouth was great and had a great chemistry with Cage. All of the episodes that were about the demise of his mob empire had great tone, especially about Mama's Legacy and how her sister as a politician was the XXI century version of a mobster. The only trouble is that they made him crumble too fast without any effective counter attacks in order to make room for Diamonback.

And boy how horrible was he. While his scene when he killed the mob bosses certainly paints him as a powerful well connected individual that is untouchable, it all comes crumbling at how terrible all of the subsequent plans were. The way Cage was framed was beyond lame, holing up at the club was self destructive, and his daddy issues being his only motivation instead of having an ulterior motive was pathetic. Plus boy how lame was the costume at the final fight.

I'm not a fan of traditional marvel superheroes, but street level has my attention. JJ also deflated mid way through, and I haven't seen DD since I can't get past the idea of the costume, but I guess I'll give it a go later on.
 
Q

Qvoth

Member
took a while but finally finished it
the ending somewhat surprised me cuz i thought it's going to be all fine and dandy
 
formasymphonic

formasymphonic

Member
In their pursuit of PLOT TWIST!!™, they didn't build up diamondback early enough in the series imo. they did a lot of great work with cottonmouth only to have it go out the window with his death.

then sub him with a guy that just wasn't as interesting or as layered in motivation or backstory.
 
T

TheFlow

Banned
duckroll said:
Maybe I misunderstood the context of your statement, but I simply meant that I think The Get Down is a better series about black culture in society with a positive message. The emphasis was on the positive message.

I think it's fantastic that Luke Cage exists, it's great to more diverse superhero shows. I just wish it didn't fall off a cliff.
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Luke cage is wayyy more relevant to current issues facing my people.
 
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J_Viper

Member
That "action scene" in third episode was horrendous, what the fuck man. I thought JJ was the bottom of the barrel, but boy was I wrong.

I'm still digging this show, but that was unacceptable.
 
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OniBarubary

Banned
Lol Shades was my favorite character. There was just something about him. Theo played him as this like...always sure of himself, something hidden underneath secretly dangerous guy. It was quite a contrast from him being Rackham's thug to manipulating snake.

Loved that dude
 
D

Danthrax

Batteries the CRISIS!
I'm nearing the end of episode 12. It's almost like this show is actually about the various villains and Luke Cage is just a plot device.
 
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Admiral Woofington

Member
Finally watched the second half.

Honestly it's true the first half is much stronger. But besides episode 8, the show bounces back a bit.

Ending episode had some corny scenes, but the whole ending was done well enough. I'd call it among the stronger seasons of Netflix marvel shows.
 
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Ashhong

Member
Why is this show so bad? I've been bored almost nonstop, the characters suck, even the action sucks. Why can't I stop?

Shades is the dumbest villain I've seen in a while. Not menacing at all, and a terrible actor. Even Misty turned to shit. I'm only just starting episode 9 so I pray it gets better. The acting all around is borderline terrible. Rosario Dawson is its saving grace so far. I've liked all of the other shows, even all of JJ and DD2, but just can't get into this. It's way too long as well.

Sorry for the rant, I didn't read the thread. Not sure if this show is mostly well liked or not
 
K

Kain

Member
Episode 7 so far... this show is not very good honestly. There is a huge lack of focus (DD season 2 had a little of this, but compared to LC that was glory), Luke's actor is bad though physically he's perfect, the action is bad and the plot is... weird.

Luke is constantly "Why me?", "Why do I have to do shit?", then he does shit, acts all badass and he goes again "Why me?". Again, the action is terrible, nothing like DD or even JJ (which was not stellar, but it was good).

Cottonmouth feels like a watered down version of Kingpin but he has potential, I want to wait and see more, I really like the actor.

Misty and Claire are very cool, the best part of the show so far.

Also lol at (episode 5 spoilers I think?)

Claire randomly saying that she wants to help people with powers. Out of fucking nowhere that was random as fuck. Also she chooses to go help the only one a NURSE cannot help because he's, like, invincible. Go help poor Matt, gurl, he's getting beaten up all the time and the only problem Luke has is with the wardrobe.
 
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The Artisan

Member
okay so spoiler for the future of a supporting character...
Misty got shot in the arm, according to wikipedia, Claire tells her that it needs to be amputated if she doesn't get further treatment, so...is she getting that winter soldier arm?
 
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Layell

Member
The Artisan said:
okay so spoiler for the future of a supporting character...
Misty got shot in the arm, according to wikipedia, Claire tells her that it needs to be amputated if she doesn't get further treatment, so...is she getting that winter soldier arm?
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I'm going to guess no, it was just a nice nod towards that characters history in the comics. Netflix Marvel loves nods to the comics (see episode 4).
 
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Layell

Member
The Artisan said:
why just a nod though? why not do what needs to be done?
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the way I see it
the Marvel Netflix tries to stay more "street level" and it doesn't make sense for a random police officer to get a Stark/Hydra level robo arm. Even if Marvel Netflix is going ham on that whole Hammertech. Plus TV budget.
 
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The Artisan

Member
Layell said:
the way I see it
the Marvel Netflix tries to stay more "street level" and it doesn't make sense for a random police officer to get a Stark/Hydra level robo arm. Even if Marvel Netflix is going ham on that whole Hammertech. Plus TV budget.
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what you say makes sense, but
this street level shit is still happening in the same plane of existence where there is an american who was brainwashed, had his arm amputated only to be replaced with a bionic, superpowered metal arm. in my opinion the whole "street level" argument is weak because it is literally a superhero tv show, a man who is bullet proof and has superstrength, if that person is headlining the show i don't see why there can't be another character with a metal arm on it.
 
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DedValve

Banned
The Artisan said:
what you say makes sense, but
this street level shit is still happening in the same plane of existence where there is an american who was brainwashed, had his arm amputated only to be replaced with a bionic, superpowered metal arm. in my opinion the whole "street level" argument is weak because it is literally a superhero tv show, a man who is bullet proof and has superstrength, if that person is headlining the show i don't see why there can't be another character with a metal arm on it.
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Just chalk it up to them wanting the netflix series to be more darker and grounded than the kid friendly, fantastical movie series.

I mean even their shows get more fantastical but theres a clear level of atmosphere between the most ridiculous and humorous parts of a show like Luke Cage or JJ compared to the movies.
 
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The Artisan

Member
DedValve said:
Just chalk it up to them wanting the netflix series to be more darker and grounded than the kid friendly, fantastical movie series.

I mean even their shows get more fantastical but theres a clear level of atmosphere between the most ridiculous and humorous parts of a show like Luke Cage or JJ compared to the movies.
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in terms of tone they can call it darker and more grounded, but that still does nothing to change the fact it is part of the same continuity as the kid friendly fantastical movie series.

Luke Cage's level of atmosphere starts with a bulletproof man with superhuman strength...
if you start with that, why rule out a woman with a bionic arm? It still fits with the tone that's precedent. not to mention the fact that the finale includes a battle with a supervillain sporting a suit that enables superhuman strength in some way.
 
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Zero-ELEC

Banned
The Artisan said:
in terms of tone they can call it darker and more grounded, but that still does nothing to change the fact it is part of the same continuity as the kid friendly fantastical movie series.

Luke Cage's level of atmosphere starts with a bulletproof man with superhuman strength...
if you start with that, why rule out a woman with a bionic arm? It still fits with the tone that's precedent. not to mention the fact that the finale includes a battle with a supervillain sporting a suit that enables superhuman strength in some way.
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Except, in the context of the MCU a robot arm for a random NYPD Detective is farfetched.

(Y'all realize we don't have to tag spoilers still, right?)
 
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neorej

ERMYGERD!
The Artisan said:
in terms of tone they can call it darker and more grounded, but that still does nothing to change the fact it is part of the same continuity as the kid friendly fantastical movie series.

Luke Cage's level of atmosphere starts with a bulletproof man with superhuman strength...
if you start with that, why rule out a woman with a bionic arm? It still fits with the tone that's precedent. not to mention the fact that the finale includes a battle with a supervillain sporting a suit that enables superhuman strength in some way.
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Look at it this way; why would Stark or Hammer retrofit her with a bionic arm, at this point in the story? That's a multimillion dollar piece of equipment, you're not going to slap that on a random NYC detective. Perhaps, after The Defenders, Luke can call in a favor from Tony or SHIELD to patch her up, maybe even use the tech they used for Coulson's hand.
 
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The Artisan

Member
Zero-ELEC said:
Except, in the context of the MCU a robot arm for a random NYPD Detective is farfetched.

(Y'all realize we don't have to tag spoilers still, right?)
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I didn't realize spoilers were okay now.

Well what's the story with Misty Knight? Does she continue being a cop after getting her bionic arm? From the looks of her character arc in season 1, it seems like she's pissed off with the way the force works and is looking to quit and do her own thing vigilante style, like stupidass Blake from DKR.
neorej said:
Look at it this way; why would Stark or Hammer retrofit her with a bionic arm, at this point in the story? That's a multimillion dollar piece of equipment, you're not going to slap that on a random NYC detective. Perhaps, after The Defenders, Luke can call in a favor from Tony or SHIELD to patch her up, maybe even use the tech they used for Coulson's hand.
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She ain't a random NYC detective for Christ's sake! She's Misty fucking Knight!

All I can say to this is that if they want to go comic book accurate and give her a winter soldier type arm, they can do it. Just like how they wrote the way peter parker gets his spiderman suit financed by tony stark.
 
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dbztrk

Member
Odrion said:
I really like Diamondback and all of the villains in the show, and it's them that elevate the series to "good" for me.

also the episode where the cops are cracking down on black folk feels very odd, it's like they almost want to make a statement about race relations but then jump back right before they're about to say something. why are most of the officers that get camera time roughing up black folk also black? why is the closest thing we hear about race the "if you're black and a cop you're white" remark? it kinda gives the impression the show is trying to say that the cops are trying to do good and it's the black people who are causing all the strife.

maybe the showrunners wanted to have something real to say and then disney went "uh 40% of america is voting for trump that's a lot of people we'll isolate"? maybe the director and writer are out of touch? I dunno. that episode left a really bad taste in my mouth.

also luke cage's actor needs to be told what to do with his hands. seriously, why didn't anyone producing the show catch this?
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This was one of the problems that I had with the show. There was no subtlety. They shoved it down our throats and I remember the actress that played Misty Knight saying in an interview that the show wasn't didactic. I'm like really?
 
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aly

Member
neorej said:
Look at it this way; why would Stark or Hammer retrofit her with a bionic arm, at this point in the story? That's a multimillion dollar piece of equipment, you're not going to slap that on a random NYC detective. Perhaps, after The Defenders, Luke can call in a favor from Tony or SHIELD to patch her up, maybe even use the tech they used for Coulson's hand.
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My guess is they might just use Rand industries if they still go with her losing the arm.
 
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KhalilSyncere

Member
Kain said:
Claire randomly saying that she wants to help people with powers. Out of fucking nowhere that was random as fuck. Also she chooses to go help the only one a NURSE cannot help because he's, like, invincible. Go help poor Matt, gurl, he's getting beaten up all the time and the only problem Luke has is with the wardrobe.
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Don't see how that's out of nowhere. She's assisted folks with powers essentially 3 times at this point, not even really by her own initiation for most, so she probably feel like it's destiny by this point, like John McClane uprising from mere beat cop, to anti-super-terrorist & their private militia cop. Also, you say she chooses to help the only one that a nurse cannot....but she essentially DOES help him....for the 2nd time, at that. Using her smarts and intuition to find ways around his superpower to help him anyway.

Ultimately...you're really not making any sense.
 
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Jumeira

Banned
So is this worth the watch? I hated JJ and was angry at myself for wasting time on it, though I enjoyed DD. There's a few shows I'm about to get into like Mad Men, House of Cards, Bloodline possibly Shield S2 (though I'm not enjoying it even thoigh people say it gets good) just wanted to know if I should give this a go.
 
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YesNOnoNOYes

Member
Jumeira said:
So is this worth the watch? I hated JJ and was angry at myself for wasting time on it, though I enjoyed DD. There's a few shows I'm about to get into like Mad Men, House of Cards, Bloodline possibly Shield S2 (though I'm not enjoying it even thoigh people say it gets good) just wanted to know if I should give this a go.
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i didnt really enjoy JJ but i did enjoy Luke Cage

Having said that, LC is slow paced and isn't choreographically flashy like DD's fights are

but i enjoyed it. the almost all black cast is amazing and the women in this series is particularly delightful to appreciate :>
 
TheSadRanger

TheSadRanger

Banned
Was watching last night and this is some Dexter level shit with councilwoman Dillard
hearing Mama Mabel talking to her
lmao
 
The Chosen One

The Chosen One

Member
Just finished the season.

Spoilers below:

I agree the first half the season was stronger. Cottonmouth was by FAR the better villain. He was a bad guy but he still felt real. I was expecting much more from Diamondback but he turned out to be a one-dimensional psycho that wasn't very smart. It was hard to believe that he actually built a criminal empire. He seemed more like a lone gunman.

Misty and Claire....cot damn...they're fine. I'll pretty much watch anything with Rosario Dawson in it. Both characters were interesting throughout, though Claire did seem to pop into the story abruptly. Maybe I wasn't paying attention at the time, but I missed how she knew Luke Cage and why she suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

Nice to see quite a few Wire alumni on the show.

I also enjoyed most of the musical guests. When episode 1 started off with Raphael Saadiq I knew someone on the show had good taste.

Ever since Heroes, I don't really watch too many TV super hero shows, so I don't really know how this compares to others. It's not a great show, but it's definitely unique and worthy of a binge watch if you got nothing else to watch. And as a black guy, it's nice seeing an action show with a mostly minority cast. I just hope they avoid the trap of making every white person evil/scummy.
 
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Jagernaut

Member
The Chosen One said:
Just finished the season.

Spoilers below:

I agree the first half the season was stronger. Cottonmouth was by FAR the better villain. He was a bad guy but he still felt real. I was expecting much more from Diamondback but he turned out to be a one-dimensional psycho that wasn't very smart. It was hard to believe that he actually built a criminal empire. He seemed more like a lone gunman.

Misty and Claire....cot damn...they're fine. I'll pretty much watch anything with Rosario Dawson in it. Both characters were interesting throughout, though Claire did seem to pop into the story abruptly. Maybe I wasn't paying attention at the time, but I missed how she knew Luke Cage and why she suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

Nice to see quite a few Wire alumni on the show.

I also enjoyed most of the musical guests. When episode 1 started off with Raphael Saadiq I knew someone on the show had good taste.

Ever since Heroes, I don't really watch too many TV super hero shows, so I don't really know how this compares to others. It's not a great show, but it's definitely unique and worthy of a binge watch if you got nothing else to watch. And as a black guy, it's nice seeing an action show with a mostly minority cast. I just hope they avoid the trap of making every white person evil/scummy.
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Did you watch Jessica Jones? Claire met Luke Cage in that show. Claire first appeared on Daredevil and has been in all the Netflix Marvel shows.
 
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afternoon delight

Member
I don't care at all for the show as superhero stuff doesn't do it for me but that SOUNDTRACK!

a. Two of my favorite hip hop dudes together
b. Morricone flavor
c. Plenty of room to breathe
d. Me jamming for hours

God I can't wait til Mondo releases their copies so I can grab one. I need more of Adrian's work too, I admittedly don't listen to him enough.
 
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StarCreator

Member
The Chosen One said:
Both characters were interesting throughout, though Claire did seem to pop into the story abruptly. Maybe I wasn't paying attention at the time, but I missed how she knew Luke Cage and why she suddenly appeared out of nowhere.
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Claire's meeting with Luke happened in Jessica Jones and her reasons for leaving Hell's Kitchen were covered in Daredevil S2.
 
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