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[AniHawk]

Where's your Sega thread!?

I don't have April's numbers. I'm not gonna put up an uncomplete thread.

 

[Kobun Heat]

GBA Video seems to be a success. Can it keep going?

 

[AirBrian]

I don't have April's numbers. I'm not gonna put up an uncomplete thread.

Oh, that's a good reason. Damn server crash. We desperately need an Excel leak or at least LTD numbers.

 

[Odysseus]

OK... One system with a price drop to itself for half a month.

I predict things will be much less close next month. However, the question is, will the PS2 be able to regain being over 2* the sales of the Xbox or are those days over???

My guess: they'll go back to over 2*

My guess: You are crazy.

If the future trend was going to be for PS2 to double Xbox each month, the lead in May would have been much more pronounced. As it is, the price-drop effect is already wearing off for the PS2 (based off Sony's own press release showing declining gains over time).

I think the month of May is a good indicator for what to expect for the rest of the year, and that is a much tighter spread between Sony and Microsoft. I don't know what to say regarding Nintendo, however. That's just bad.

 

[Dracor]

Here's Aprils Antihawk


SEGA

PS2 AERO ELITE: COMBAT $13,664 420
PS2 BASS FISHING DUEL $109,271 6343
PS2 ESPN COLLEGE HOOPS $113,016 3853
PS2 ESPN NBA BASKETBALL $122,845 2673
PS2 ESPN NFL FOOTBALL $59,165 1721
PS2 ESPN NHL HOCKEY $67,940 1741
PS2 FERRARI F355 CHLLNG $3,857 166
PS2 GUNGRAVE $2,790 174
PS2 KING OF ROUTE 66 $1,631 74
PS2 NBA 2K2 $1,011 64
PS2 NBA 2K3 $13,056 662
PS2 NCAA BASKETBALL 2K3 $5,258 238
PS2 NCAA FOOTBALL 2K3 $14,946 2054
PS2 NFL 2K2 $959 72
PS2 NFL 2K3 $29,110 3966
PS2 NHL 2K3 $3,355 159
PS2 NIGHTSHADE $84,712 2124
PS2 REZ $2,486 74
PS2 SAMURAI JACK: SHADOW $205,088 5476
PS2 SHINOBI $51,704 2542
PS2 SOCCER SLAM $7,415 277
PS2 SONIC HEROES $1,449,276 29073
PS2 TENNIS 2K2 $5,784 193
PS2 VIRTUA FIGHTER 4 $6,312 628
PS2 VIRTUA FIGHTER 4: EVO $64,026 3239
PS2 VIRTUAL-ON MARZ $25,834 1152
PS2 WORLD SER BASEBALL2K3 $10,647 508


XBX CRAZY TAXI 3 $7,046 349
XBX ESPN COLLEGE HOOPS $61,372 2250
XBX ESPN MLB BASEBALL $1,520,993 38227
XBX ESPN NBA BASKETBALL $90,625 2182
XBX ESPN NFL FOOTBALL $40,273 1235
XBX ESPN NHL HOCKEY $43,379 1086
XBX GUNVALKYRIE $4,785 418
XBX HOUSE OF THE DEAD III $175,181 8610
XBX JET SET RADIO FUTURE $7,492 523
XBX NBA 2K2 $3,640 328
XBX NBA 2K3 $11,661 961
XBX NCAA BASKETBALL 2K3 $5,954 692
XBX NCAA FOOTBALL 2K3 $7,289 667
XBX NFL 2K2 $2,372 268
XBX NFL 2K3 $8,385 863
XBX NHL 2K3 $6,304 492
XBX OTOGI: MYTH OF DEMONS $16,924 492
XBX PANZER DRAGOON ORTA $33,596 1533
XBX SEGA GT 2002 $13,899 1087
XBX SEGA GT ONLINE $66,355 3336
XBX SOCCER SLAM $4,122 197
XBX SONIC HEROES $642,260 13338
XBX TOEJAM & EARL III $6,447 251
XBX WORLD SER BASEBALL2K3 $8,028 1012
XBX WORLD SERIES BASEBALL $10,609 949


GCN BEACH SPIKERS $5,130 215
GCN BILLY HATCHER $102,788 3721
GCN HOME RUN KING $8,043 485
GCN NBA 2K2 $6,777 420
GCN NBA 2K3 $4,031 277
GCN NCAA BASKETBALL 2K3 $574 18
GCN NCAA FOOTBALL 2K3 $4,394 327
GCN NFL 2K3 $5,630 583
GCN NHL 2K3 $3,050 171
GCN PHANTASY STAR I & II $46,509 945
GCN PHANTASY STAR: CARD $203,263 4094
GCN SAMURAI JACK: SHADOW $94,515 2368
GCN SKIES OF ARCADIA LGND $170,598 6687
GCN SOCCER SLAM $12,434 598
GCN SONIC ADVENTURE 2 $274,024 9188
GCN SONIC ADVT DX DIR CUT $235,701 5921
GCN SONIC HEROES $1,495,158 30032
GCN SONIC MEGA COLLECTION $446,451 21825
GCN SUPER MONKEY BALL $268,044 13512
GCN SUPER MONKEY BALL 2 $58,109 1974
GCN VIRTUA STRIKER 2002 $2,980 114


GBA CHU CHU ROCKET $639 44

 

[AniHawk]

Here's Aprils Antihawk


SEGA

PS2 AERO ELITE: COMBAT $13,664 420
PS2 BASS FISHING DUEL $109,271 6343
PS2 ESPN COLLEGE HOOPS $113,016 3853
PS2 ESPN NBA BASKETBALL $122,845 2673
PS2 ESPN NFL FOOTBALL $59,165 1721
PS2 ESPN NHL HOCKEY $67,940 1741
PS2 FERRARI F355 CHLLNG $3,857 166
PS2 GUNGRAVE $2,790 174
PS2 KING OF ROUTE 66 $1,631 74
PS2 NBA 2K2 $1,011 64
PS2 NBA 2K3 $13,056 662
PS2 NCAA BASKETBALL 2K3 $5,258 238
PS2 NCAA FOOTBALL 2K3 $14,946 2054
PS2 NFL 2K2 $959 72
PS2 NFL 2K3 $29,110 3966
PS2 NHL 2K3 $3,355 159
PS2 NIGHTSHADE $84,712 2124
PS2 REZ $2,486 74
PS2 SAMURAI JACK: SHADOW $205,088 5476
PS2 SHINOBI $51,704 2542
PS2 SOCCER SLAM $7,415 277
PS2 SONIC HEROES $1,449,276 29073
PS2 TENNIS 2K2 $5,784 193
PS2 VIRTUA FIGHTER 4 $6,312 628
PS2 VIRTUA FIGHTER 4: EVO $64,026 3239
PS2 VIRTUAL-ON MARZ $25,834 1152
PS2 WORLD SER BASEBALL2K3 $10,647 508


XBX CRAZY TAXI 3 $7,046 349
XBX ESPN COLLEGE HOOPS $61,372 2250
XBX ESPN MLB BASEBALL $1,520,993 38227
XBX ESPN NBA BASKETBALL $90,625 2182
XBX ESPN NFL FOOTBALL $40,273 1235
XBX ESPN NHL HOCKEY $43,379 1086
XBX GUNVALKYRIE $4,785 418
XBX HOUSE OF THE DEAD III $175,181 8610
XBX JET SET RADIO FUTURE $7,492 523
XBX NBA 2K2 $3,640 328
XBX NBA 2K3 $11,661 961
XBX NCAA BASKETBALL 2K3 $5,954 692
XBX NCAA FOOTBALL 2K3 $7,289 667
XBX NFL 2K2 $2,372 268
XBX NFL 2K3 $8,385 863
XBX NHL 2K3 $6,304 492
XBX OTOGI: MYTH OF DEMONS $16,924 492
XBX PANZER DRAGOON ORTA $33,596 1533
XBX SEGA GT 2002 $13,899 1087
XBX SEGA GT ONLINE $66,355 3336
XBX SOCCER SLAM $4,122 197
XBX SONIC HEROES $642,260 13338
XBX TOEJAM & EARL III $6,447 251
XBX WORLD SER BASEBALL2K3 $8,028 1012
XBX WORLD SERIES BASEBALL $10,609 949


GCN BEACH SPIKERS $5,130 215
GCN BILLY HATCHER $102,788 3721
GCN HOME RUN KING $8,043 485
GCN NBA 2K2 $6,777 420
GCN NBA 2K3 $4,031 277
GCN NCAA BASKETBALL 2K3 $574 18
GCN NCAA FOOTBALL 2K3 $4,394 327
GCN NFL 2K3 $5,630 583
GCN NHL 2K3 $3,050 171
GCN PHANTASY STAR I & II $46,509 945
GCN PHANTASY STAR: CARD $203,263 4094
GCN SAMURAI JACK: SHADOW $94,515 2368
GCN SKIES OF ARCADIA LGND $170,598 6687
GCN SOCCER SLAM $12,434 598
GCN SONIC ADVENTURE 2 $274,024 9188
GCN SONIC ADVT DX DIR CUT $235,701 5921
GCN SONIC HEROES $1,495,158 30032
GCN SONIC MEGA COLLECTION $446,451 21825
GCN SUPER MONKEY BALL $268,044 13512
GCN SUPER MONKEY BALL 2 $58,109 1974
GCN VIRTUA STRIKER 2002 $2,980 114


GBA CHU CHU ROCKET $639 44

Thanks. I'm on it.

 

[----]

DC was around 6 million worldwide when Sega pulled the plug. We took a look at the numbers on the last forum and in actuality, GC & XBox have consistantly outperformed DC in every region since launch (except XBox in Japan). It's very unlikely DC had a higher attatch ratio at any comparative point in it's lifecycle over the current consoles either, in fact Vic Irealnd blamed the low DC attatch ratio for not having Working Designs publish on the platform (Puyo Puyoon was rumored to be their first game).

Did you even see the numbers? What you just said makes no sense. DC still has a higher attach ratio than the Gamecube even right now. The Xbox is barely ahead of it. The DC's attach ratio was remarkably good, it was something that Sega was bragging about being much better than Sony's even as they were exiting the hardware business. The DC had sold more than 6 million worldwide by January 2001 also, if any reasonably wealthy company had been behind the system the Xbox and the Gamecube never would have been able to even come close to catching up to it in hardware sales or attach ratio. Which is precisely why Microsoft wants to be the first out of the gate next generation.

First 30 Months of Consoles Life - Console Sales

PS2 - 17,199,692
N64 - 10,980,990
Xbox - 8,600,581
PS - 8,419,373
GC - 7,386,869
DC - 4,069,265 (production halted after 15 months)


First 30 Months of Consoles Life - Attach Rate

Xbox - 6.8
PS2 - 6.5
DC - 6.4
GC - 6.3
PS - 5.2
N64 - 4.6

I had no idea that the DC did that well compared to the GC and Xbox. That's pretty damn good for a console that was only viable for half that period of time or only 15 months. Had the DC hardware been backed by any of the 3 current hardware manufacturers it probably would have been at the very least on par with the sales of Xbox & Gamecube. If Sega was capable of financially backing the console it would never have sold anywhere close to PS2, but it would have held a strong secondary position ahead of the two consoles that came out in late 2001. Imagine what the other consoles hardware numbers would have been if production was halted halfway through, DC would have been ahead of GC and maybe even ahead of PS and Xbox.

 

[----]

OK... One system with a price drop to itself for half a month.

I predict things will be much less close next month. However, the question is, will the PS2 be able to regain being over 2* the sales of the Xbox or are those days over???

My guess: they'll go back to over 2*

My guess: You are crazy.

If the future trend was going to be for PS2 to double Xbox each month, the lead in May would have been much more pronounced. As it is, the price-drop effect is already wearing off for the PS2 (based off Sony's own press release showing declining gains over time).

I think the month of May is a good indicator for what to expect for the rest of the year, and that is a much tighter spread between Sony and Microsoft. I don't know what to say regarding Nintendo, however. That's just bad.

I agree. I think things are going to be very close in June between the PS2 and Xbox thanks to the Halo Bundle. Full Spectrum Warrior and Riddick probably also helped a little as well, but the residual effect of the Halo bundle has lasted a lot longer than a normal price drop would. I think the hardware numbers will definitely be closer than May. Sony got a little boost in May because they dropped the price, while Microsoft did absolutely nothing in May to increase sales of the Xbox. In June Xbox is still benefitting from the limited edition Halo bundle and a strong month of game releases while the price drop effect is decreasing quickly for the PS2. Not only can I practically guarantee PS2 sales over Xbox won't be 2 times, but there is a strong possibility that Xbox is back ahead of PS2 again in June. Judging by Amazon and EBgames sales.

For the rest of the year things could be close for no other reason than Halo 2. Halo 2 will have the biggest release of any game this year. The preorder numbers for Halo 2 have to already be record breaking. PS2 is going to have a very strong release schedule at the end of the year too, so it will likely come out ahead in hardware sales.

 

[Subitai]

Kinda surprised that MA moved up. It's not still bundled with XBL kits, is it?

Well, MA has steadily been doing 10-15k a month, so it was only a matter of time. I don't know about how the XBL kits affect the numbers.

 

[AniHawk]

Well, MA has steadily been doing 10-15k a month, so it was only a matter of time. I don't know about how the XBL kits affect the numbers.

Well I'd suspect MA being bundled would mean less game sales for MA, since you could get it with a starter kit. MechAssault was replaced by Crimson Skies though, wasn't it?

 

[Musashi Wins!]

Well I'd suspect MA being bundled would mean less game sales for MA, since you could get it with a starter kit. MechAssault was replaced by Crimson Skies though, wasn't it?

You get Crimson Skies free now???

 

[AniHawk]

Did you even see the numbers? What you just said makes no sense. DC still has a higher attach ratio than the Gamecube even right now. The Xbox is barely ahead of it. The DC's attach ratio was remarkably good, it was something that Sega was bragging about being much better than Sony's even as they were exiting the hardware business. The DC had sold more than 6 million worldwide by January 2001 also, if any reasonably wealthy company had been behind the system the Xbox and the Gamecube never would have been able to even come close to catching up to it in hardware sales or attach ratio. Which is precisely why Microsoft wants to be the first out of the gate next generation.


I had no idea that the DC did that well compared to the GC and Xbox. That's pretty damn good for a console that was only viable for half that period of time or only 15 months. Had the DC hardware been backed by any of the 3 current hardware manufacturers it probably would have been at the very least on par with the sales of Xbox & Gamecube. If Sega was capable of financially backing the console it would never have sold anywhere close to PS2, but it would have held a strong secondary position ahead of the two consoles that came out in late 2001. Imagine what the other consoles hardware numbers would have been if production was halted halfway through, DC would have been ahead of GC and maybe even ahead of PS and Xbox.

Impressive as it is, the DC had plenty of games sold at $19.99 and below. During its final year in 2001, it sold something like 4 million units, right? At $49.99, the system was huge, and had cheap, good looking games, to boot. I'm not saying it's the definite reason why DC numbers are so high, but it's at least a contributer.

 

[Odysseus]

You get Crimson Skies free now???

Yes. You can still find kits with MechAssault, however.

Crimson Skies: http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/242850.asp?siteID=lTj2idItIPo-AZiS52t4E4s0GPtopuRqGg

MechAssault: http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/238694.asp

 

[solarplexus]

Thanks bunkum!

Do you have any GBA hardware numbers yet?

 

[human5892]

Impressive as it is, the DC had plenty of games sold at $19.99 and below. During its final year in 2001, it sold something like 4 million units, right? At $49.99, the system was huge, and had cheap, good looking games, to boot. I'm not saying it's the definite reason why DC numbers are so high, but it's at least a contributer.

Exactly. People have to keep in mind that for the majority of the 30 months examined, the DC and its games were dirt-cheap -- the hardware alone, by the end, was cheaper than any of the other consoles were in their first 30 months by a pretty wide margin.

 

[sonycowboy]

I agree. I think things are going to be very close in June between the PS2 and Xbox thanks to the Halo Bundle. Full Spectrum Warrior and Riddick probably also helped a little as well, but the residual effect of the Halo bundle has lasted a lot longer than a normal price drop would. I think the hardware numbers will definitely be closer than May. Sony got a little boost in May because they dropped the price, while Microsoft did absolutely nothing in May to increase sales of the Xbox. In June Xbox is still benefitting from the limited edition Halo bundle and a strong month of game releases while the price drop effect is decreasing quickly for the PS2. Not only can I practically guarantee PS2 sales over Xbox won't be 2 times, but there is a strong possibility that Xbox is back ahead of PS2 again in June. Judging by Amazon and EBgames sales.

For the rest of the year things could be close for no other reason than Halo 2. Halo 2 will have the biggest release of any game this year. The preorder numbers for Halo 2 have to already be record breaking. PS2 is going to have a very strong release schedule at the end of the year too, so it will likely come out ahead in hardware sales.

I'm not sure about June's sales. I expect it to be close again because of the big exclusive Xbox games that were released (Riddick, FSW, Thief 3, etc).

However, I'm talking more about the rest of the year. Even with Halo 2, I expect the PS2 to double up on the Xbox as it has been since Xbox was released until April & May 2004 NPD's. I just can't believe that the buying patterns of consumers has changed so markedly. It will be interesting.

 

[Lazy8s]

That's the thing; the trend has been obvious for several months now. It won't be going back to how it was before because Microsoft had gained market share. Sure, April isn't representative of the current state since it was on a spike, but a lot of mainstream buyers still on the fence for the Xbox will be brought on finally by Halo 2, contrary to many, and help Xbox to continue gaining ground.

Through Halo's continually broadening popularity, the Xbox is at last becoming a mass market choice like the PS2 already was. Any big games for the PS2 now will simply reaffirm its position, yet Microsoft's new status means it has a lot of new growth still.

 

[apujanata]

(LTD without April)
Resident Evil: 459,659
Resident Evil 2: 34,821
Resident Evil 3: 46,870
Resident Evil Code Veronica: 24,117

Viewtiful Joe: 218,850

Some Capcom April 2004 data for GCN :
GCN AUTO MODELLISTA $19,016 477
GCN CAPCOM VS SNK 2: EO $3,612 209
GCN DISNEYS HIDE & SNEAK $30,788 774
GCN GOTCHA FORCE $18,519 468
GCN MEGA MAN NETWORK TRAN $31,694 1139
GCN P.N. 03 $31,624 1559
GCN RESIDENT EVIL $40,711 2032
GCN RESIDENT EVIL 2 $6,043 195
GCN RESIDENT EVIL 3:NEMES $8,849 303
GCN RESIDENT EVIL CODE: X $69,023 2309
GCN RESIDENT EVIL ZERO $95,984 4877
GCN VIEWTIFUL JOE $194,011 6495

 

[JJConrad]

I wonder what LTD sales for all those are.

TimeSplitters 2
LTD minus March and April '04

PS2     260260
XBX    210508
GCN    200341

Maybe the always-great-and-wonderful bunkum can supply the missing months.

 

[rawk]

I think some titles, like Timesplitters 2 and Skies of Arcadia: Legends, benefit now from being relatively inexpensive titles that fill big genre holes in the Cube library. TS2 may have sold more on Ps2 and XBox at first, due to their audience/userbase/etc, but now, while newer, fresher FPSs come out on those consoles, TS2 is faring much better on the Cube where it's the big fish in the FPS pond. Same for SoA:L and RPGs -- in fact, I think SoA would have sold a whole lot more had the price been dropped sooner and had it been kept in stock. This is probably also what keeps Soul Calibur 2 on top on the Cube even now (yes, there is Link, but I think that may have been more of a factor in the game's early days).

The only genre I can think of, off the top of my head, that the Cube really needs a great game for is the puzzle genre. If Nintendo won't release the Puzzle Collection, some other company needs to step in and release something awesome.

 

[siamesedreamer]

Anihawk, can you post for me the LTDs of Rainbow Six 3, SCandora Tomorrow, Project Gotham Racing 2, and KOTOR? (all Xbox of course) Thanks in advance.

 

[radcliff]

Anihawk, can you post for me the LTDs of Rainbow Six 3, SCandora Tomorrow, Project Gotham Racing 2, and KOTOR? (all Xbox of course) Thanks in advance.

Rainbow Six 3 = 608,135
SC: Pandora = 389,618
PGR 2 = 348,794
KOTOR = 669,906

 

[bunkum]

TimeSplitters 2
LTD minus March and April '04

PS2     260260
XBX    210508
GCN    200341

Maybe the always-great-and-wonderful bunkum can supply the missing months.

Flattery will get you everywhere

March '04

GCN TIMESPLITTERS 2 $53,367 2986
PS2 TIMESPLITTERS 2 $31,953 1415
XBX TIMESPLITTERS 2 $25,857 1269


April '04

GCN TIMESPLITTERS 2 $67,719 4233
PS2 TIMESPLITTERS 2 $26,803 1187
XBX TIMESPLITTERS 2 $20,995 1054

 

[JavyOO7]

Bunkum, any chance for Treasure numbers?

 

[Jumpman]

Does anyone have the GBA hardware numbers for May? We have gotten their numbers for every single month since it's launch. It seems strange that we wouldn't get them this month as well. There has to at least be some percentages available that we could use to extrapolate the numbers.

 

[AniHawk]

Resident Evil: 461,691
Resident Evil 2: 35,016
Resident Evil 3: 47,173
Resident Evil Code Veronica: 26,426

Viewtiful Joe: 225,345

TimeSplitters 2:

PS2 262,862
XBX 212,831
GCN 207,560

 

[cvxfreak]

LTD for Timesplitters 2

PS2 262,862
XBX 212,831
GCN 207,560

Edit: AniHawk sucks.

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At being slow.

 

[apujanata]

Resident Evil: 461,691
Resident Evil 2: 35,016
Resident Evil 3: 47,173
Resident Evil Code Veronica: 26,426

Viewtiful Joe: 225,345

You forgot to include Resident Evil Zero, which in my data is currently at : 404,280 (included May 2004 figure of 5,299)

 

[Jesiatha]

some poor kids.

I saw Kakuto Chojin at a store yesterday. I would have picked it up for the novelty, but it was still priced at $49.99. Fred Meyer has the worst games pricing of anywhere.