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Media Create Sales: November 22-28

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cvxfreak

Member
Jonnyram said:
You're actually just trolling the PSP Go rather than playing devil's advocate. Digital downloads via PSN existed way before the PSP Go came out. The biggest failing of the PSP Go was in its pricing.

If the PSN release would only satisfy a bunch of suckers, how would the lines be affected anyway?
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It is precisely because the PSP can play both UMD and DDL games that Capcom was wise not to do a PSN release. PSP owners will be satisfied with the UMD release. Go owners have no other alternative, so as long as the Capcom hype machine remains in play, the only true benefit they have to gain out of a PSN release is releasing it for all 140K PSP Go owners.

If there had been a PSN release, would I have gone to Bic Camera at 7:30 after waking up at 5:30? Of course not, and I bet many people felt the same way, especially to those who were rejected at the shop doors. Having lines that exceeded Pokemon BW and DQIX is positive PR for Capcom and is surely not going to be surpassed anytime soon.

In case you didn't get the hint, I believe that all PSP games should be on PSN and UMD on the same day, just like I advocate dual iTunes and CD releases. But for marketing reasons that I can fully understand, this isn't the reality. As a PSP Go launch owner... that is pretty lame. I personally feel like a bit of a sucker having bought the PSP Go myself! :lol


duckroll said:
I think for Peace Walker, Konami sorta had to do it because they announced it at E3 in support of the PSP Go when that was announced. There was probably an understanding from that point on that if the game was not playable on the PSP Go, there would be some serious questions asked about Konami's perception to the public.
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That would make Konami a company of its word... unlike Capcom. RE Portable made with PSP Go in mind... :lol
 
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duckroll

Member
cvxfreak said:
That would make Konami a company of its word... unlike Capcom. RE Portable made with PSP Go in mind... :lol
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Hey, that actually makes sense. If you designed a game with the PSP Go in mind, after looking at sales like that, you would probably can it too! :lol
 
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Durante

Member
Considering the recent thread about profit margins on Steam vs. retail, what do you think the situation is on PSN? Because if margins are similarly good it would seem that they're leaving a lot of money on the table. (Not even taking into account that PSN buys can't be resold, though that shouldn't matter so much for MH)
 
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cvxfreak

Member
Durante said:
Considering the recent thread about profit margins on Steam vs. retail, what do you think the situation is on PSN? Because if margins are similarly good it would seem that they're leaving a lot of money on the table. (Not even taking into account that PSN buys can't be resold, though that shouldn't matter so much for MH)
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Portable 2nd G is on PSN already, so it can't be because Capcom has some kind of opposition against PSN downloads... at least for old games.
 
onken

onken

Member
Durante said:
Considering the recent thread about profit margins on Steam vs. retail, what do you think the situation is on PSN? Because if margins are similarly good it would seem that they're leaving a lot of money on the table. (Not even taking into account that PSN buys can't be resold, though that shouldn't matter so much for MH)
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Probably just milking the retail copies as long as possible then hoping to get some repeat purchases down the line from the hardcores that want the convenience factor. I think that's a far bigger potential market than Go owners.
 
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duckroll

Member
So we've had 2 full days of sales so far, and still no press release from Capcom. Are they waiting for Enterbrain to tell them that they have tracked over 2 million copies sold before putting out the press release? :lol
 
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Jonnyram

Member
Durante said:
Considering the recent thread about profit margins on Steam vs. retail, what do you think the situation is on PSN? Because if margins are similarly good it would seem that they're leaving a lot of money on the table. (Not even taking into account that PSN buys can't be resold, though that shouldn't matter so much for MH)
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The margins are good for publishers. The problem is that brick-and-mortar retailers are against it, and they have all the say in Japan. Especially when you consider that retailers pay for all games, in full, up front and cannot sell dead stock back to the publishers later. But like a lot of media-related things, Japan is at least a decade behind the West on this front. There are ways that retailers could be factored into PSN releases, but noone's pushing it right now.

cvxfreak said:
If there had been a PSN release, would I have gone to Bic Camera at 7:30 after waking up at 5:30? Of course not, and I bet many people felt the same way, especially to those who were rejected at the shop doors. Having lines that exceeded Pokemon BW and DQIX is positive PR for Capcom and is surely not going to be surpassed anytime soon.
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You and I, perhaps, but there's still this big excitement surrounding early morning launches. I lined up for DQIX even though I didn't need to, and a lot of people were the same with Pokemon. Preorders for those two games in particular were nowhere near as hard to track down as MH3. And even then, the PSN release doesn't usually come online until noon or later, so that would be valuable hours lost for most hardcore players ;)
 
onken

onken

Member
duckroll said:
So we've had 2 full days of sales so far, and still no press release from Capcom. Are they waiting for Enterbrain to tell them that they have tracked over 2 million copies sold before putting out the press release? :lol
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Yeah delay suggests the number is either disappointingly low or stupidly high. Since the former seems unlikely... mmm.
 
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Michan

Member
So, New Super Mario Bros. Wii hit 4 million sold units in Japan this chart week, according to Enterbrain.

To celebrate the landmark, I've updated the Mario chart (suggested by Cheesemeister). I was intending to update it on NSMB Wii's year anniversary, but this seems like a better occasion to do so. Enjoy!

mario_301110.png
 
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Kenka

Member
Michan said:
So, New Super Mario Bros. Wii hit 4 million sold units in Japan this chart week, according to Enterbrain.

To celebrate the landmark, I've updated the Mario chart (suggested by Cheesemeister). I was intending to update it on NSMB Wii's year anniversary, but this seems like a better occasion to do so. Enjoy!

mario_301110.png
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Fuck yeah. It's grand :D The NSMB Mario should a bit bit taller though. 5.9 (or actually very close to 6.0 going by Famitsu numbers) should translate in a bit more height, right ?

And please, put some Galaxy 2
in the far left corner
.
 
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Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
Famitsu through 21/11/10:
Code: 
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|    | [NGB] Pokemon G/S | [GBA] Pokemon R/S | [NDS] Pokemon D/P | [NDS] Pokemon B/W |
|    | (Sunday 21/11/99) |(Thursday 21/11/02)|(Thursday 28/09/06)|(Saturday 18/09/10)|
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|
|  1 |1.425.768|1.425.768|1.245.003|1.245.003|1.586.360|1.586.360|2.637.285|2.637.285|
|  2 |  438.280|1.864.049|  471.538|1.716.541|  433.793|2.020.153|  772.172|3.409.457|
|  3 |  453.500|2.317.549|  321.408|2.037.949|  291.178|2.311.331|  372.619|3.782.076|
|  4 |  301.003|2.618.551|  336.847|2.374.796|  231.627|2.542.958|  231.161|4.013.237|
|  5 |  436.828|3.055.379|  437.352|2.812.148|  209.288|2.752.246|  151.375|4.164.612|
|  6 |  573.247|3.628.627|  385.614|3.197.762|  183.048|2.935.294|   70.769|4.235.381|
|  7 |  477.507|4.106.134|  408.831|3.606.593|  124.738|3.060.032|   60.921|4.296.302|
|  8 |  258.734|4.364.868|  126.398|3.732.991|  101.113|3.161.145|   48.426|4.344.728|
|  9 |  145.778|4.510.646|  105.173|3.838.164|  110.946|3.272.091|   38.282|4.383.010|
| 10 |  144.733|4.655.379|   66.054|3.904.218|  100.215|3.372.306|   37.706|4.420.716|
| 11 |  120.138|4.775.517|   56.075|3.960.293|  151.036|3.523.342|         |         |
| 12 |   98.055|4.873.571|   40.764|4.001.057|  225.228|3.748.570|         |         |
| 13 |   76.713|4.950.284|   44.240|4.045.297|  429.017|4.177.587|         |         |
| 14 |   50.421|5.000.705|   34.871|4.080.168|  125.228|4.302.815|         |         |
| 15 |   48.587|5.049.292|   31.434|4.111.602|  214.274|4.517.089|         |         |
| 16 |   47.512|5.096.804|   28.464|4.140.066|   58.725|4.575.814|         |         |
| 17 |   43.827|5.140.631|   28.840|4.168.906|   49.050|4.624.864|         |         |
| 18 |   34.957|5.175.589|   35.536|4.204.442|   48.783|4.673.647|         |         |
| 19 |   33.367|5.208.956|   39.467|4.243.909|   45.467|4.719.114|         |         |
| 20 |   29.743|5.238.698|   38.913|4.282.822|   43.947|4.763.061|         |         |
| 21 |   21.582|5.260.280|   26.116|4.308.938|   39.553|4.802.614|         |         |
| 22 |   15.788|5.276.068|   22.340|4.331.278|   33.444|4.836.058|         |         |
| 23 |   14.204|5.290.272|   24.291|4.355.569|   33.470|4.869.528|         |         |
| 24 |        -|        -|   39.814|4.395.383|   28.774|4.898.302|         |         |
| 25 |        -|5.332.897|   24.120|4.419.503|   24.119|4.922.421|         |         |
| 26 |    9.987|5.342.884|   14.681|4.434.184|   27.440|4.949.861|         |         |
| 27 |    7.308|5.350.193|   16.389|4.450.573|   24.641|4.974.502|         |         |
| 28 |    7.879|5.358.072|   17.160|4.467.733|   22.012|4.996.514|         |         |
| 29 |    7.597|5.365.669|   13.554|4.481.287|   18.874|5.015.388|         |         |
| 30 |    7.040|5.372.709|   12.887|4.494.174|   20.342|5.035.730|         |         |
| 31 |    7.722|5.380.430|   12.582|4.506.756|   23.988|5.059.718|         |         |
| 32 |    7.657|5.388.087|   14.679|4.521.435|   37.052|5.096.770|         |         |
| 33 |    7.575|5.395.662|   14.355|4.535.790|   13.069|5.109.839|         |         |
| 34 |    6.449|5.402.111|   14.520|4.550.310|   12.465|5.122.304|         |         |
| 35 |    7.120|5.409.231|   18.720|4.569.030|   14.740|5.137.044|         |         |
| 36 |    8.127|5.417.358|   17.725|4.586.755|   13.798|5.150.842|         |         |
| 37 |    8.796|5.426.154|   16.098|4.602.853|   12.429|5.163.271|         |         |
| 38 |        -|        -|   14.831|4.617.684|   10.612|5.173.883|         |         |
| 39 |        -|        -|   18.622|4.636.306|   11.212|5.185.095|         |         |
| 40 |   10.588|5.451.223|    9.550|4.645.856|   11.463|5.196.558|         |         |
| 41 |    5.995|5.457.218|   10.595|4.656.451|   12.874|5.209.432|         |         |
| 42 |    7.940|5.465.158|    8.239|4.664.690|   16.073|5.225.505|         |         |
| 43 |    3.646|5.468.804|    8.036|4.672.726|   16.010|5.241.515|         |         |
| 44 |    4.704|5.473.508|    9.215|4.681.941|   13.102|5.254.617|         |         |
| 45 |    5.002|5.478.510|    7.881|4.689.822|    9.963|5.264.580|         |         |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|
|Year|   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|
|  1 |3.628.627|3.628.627|3.197.762|3.197.762|4.302.815|4.302.815|4.420.716|4.420.716|
|  2 |2.383.096|6.011.723|1.704.458|4.902.220|1.094.389|5.397.204|         |         |
|  3 |   76.421|6.088.144|  287.026|5.189.246|  227.226|5.624.430|         |         |
|  4 |        -|        -|  113.430|5.302.676|  127.567|5.751.997|         |         |
|  5 |        -|        -|   34.369|5.337.045|   15.286|5.767.283|         |         |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|
| LTD|        -|6.089.503|        -|5.337.045|        -|5.767.283|        -|4.420.716|
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1. [NGB] Pokemon Red / Green / Blue (Nintendo) - 140.074 / 7.783.101
2. [NGB] Pokemon Gold / Silver (Nintendo) - 1.425.768 / 6.089.503
3. [NDS] Pokemon Diamond / Pearl (Pokemon Co.) - 1.586.360 / 5.767.283
4. [GBA] Pokemon Ruby / Sapphire (Pokemon Co.) - 1.245.003 / 5.337.045
5. [NDS] Pokemon Black / White (Pokemon Co.) - 2.637.285 / 4.420.716
 
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cvxfreak

Member
Kenka said:
Frontloaded Pokémon leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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Could the same thing happen to Monster Hunter Portable 3rd? If that thing starts at 2 million or above, there's little chance it'll have the lasting power of 2nd G.

Seems very few have thought about the possibility. The sky really isn't the limit for game sales.
 
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Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
cvxfreak said:
Could the same thing happen to Monster Hunter Portable 3rd? If that thing starts at 2 million or above, there's little chance it'll have the lasting power of 2nd G.

Seems very few have thought about the possibility. The sky really isn't the limit for game sales.
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I think most people agree that this will be a more frontloaded Monster Hunter.
 
S

Spiegel

Member
cvxfreak said:
Could the same thing happen to Monster Hunter Portable 3rd? If that thing starts at 2 million or above, there's little chance it'll have the lasting power of 2nd G.

Seems very few have thought about the possibility. The sky really isn't the limit for game sales.
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I think everyone has thought about the possibility.

But Capcom would be more than happy selling 4M at 5000Y in a few months than 2.5M at 5000Y and 1.5M at platinum price in 2 years.
 
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duckroll

Member
cvxfreak said:
Could the same thing happen to Monster Hunter Portable 3rd? If that thing starts at 2 million or above, there's little chance it'll have the lasting power of 2nd G.

Seems very few have thought about the possibility. The sky really isn't the limit for game sales.
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I dunno. If it starts at 2 million or above, it would have to have REALLY bad legs to not outsell 2nd G. It certainly won't have the legs of 2nd G, but it should still easily outsell the LTD. Pokemon is a different case because there's such a huge difference between the launch sales and the LTD.
 
A

_Alkaline_

Member
cvxfreak said:
It'll be at 900K by the end of the year.
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Even then it'll still be hovering around the Advance series.

The Advance series.

Great work on the chart by the way Michan. Forgot to say that.
 
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cvxfreak

Member
_Alkaline_ said:
Even then it'll still be hovering around the Advance series.

The Advance series.

Great work on the chart by the way Michan. Forgot to say that.
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Well, that's not the worst part. We all know 2D Mario absolutely destroys 3D Mario. Even Super Mario Collection will prove that. The worst part is how it'll still be way behind Super Mario 64 DS, a game that's virtually uncontrollable on a DSi or DS Lite. :lol


duckroll said:
I dunno. If it starts at 2 million or above, it would have to have REALLY bad legs to not outsell 2nd G. It certainly won't have the legs of 2nd G, but it should still easily outsell the LTD. Pokemon is a different case because there's such a huge difference between the launch sales and the LTD.
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True. I don't think outselling 2nd G will be a big problem. I wonder how big the true MHP fanbase is. It's a bit hard to tell since I'm sure not everyone upgraded from 2nd to 2nd G.
 
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duckroll

Member
cvxfreak said:
Well, that's not the worst part. We all know 2D Mario absolutely destroys 3D Mario. Even Super Mario Collection will prove that. The worst part is how it'll still be way behind Super Mario 64 DS, a game that's virtually uncontrollable on a DSi or DS Lite. :lol
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Modern Japanese Mario reality:

Portable 2D >> Console 2D >>>>> Portable 3D >>> Console 3D

cvxfreak said:
True. I don't think outselling 2nd G will be a big problem. I wonder how big the true MHP fanbase is. It's a bit hard to tell since I'm sure not everyone upgraded from 2nd to 2nd G.
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I think realistically, the absolute ceiling for MHP in Japan is probably something close to 4-5 million. But not everyone will buy a specific SKU. The fans are probably divided between:

- Those who buy every single installment
- Those who buy only the first main entries, but not the expansions
- Those who buy only the expansions, and will skip the initial release
- Those who buy only the budget re-releases because they're cheaper
- Casual fans who jump in and out of the series with no consistency, this number could be growing or shrinking with each release depending on the hype and mainstream vibe
 
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duckroll

Member
Chris1964 said:
That's not very far from Modern Worldwide Mario reality.
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I didn't want to look up the worldwide numbers, but I would imagine that Galaxy does much better outside of Japan to give it the edge over say, SM64 DS. Is that inaccurate?
 
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cvxfreak

Member
duckroll said:
I think realistically, the absolute ceiling for MHP in Japan is probably something close to 4-5 million. But not everyone will buy a specific SKU. The fans are probably divided between:

- Those who buy every single installment
- Those who buy only the first main entries, but not the expansions
- Those who buy only the expansions, and will skip the initial release
- Those who buy only the budget re-releases because they're cheaper
- Casual fans who jump in and out of the series with no consistency, this number could be growing or shrinking with each release depending on the hype and mainstream vibe
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Indeed. There's also potentially many people that the Wii brought into the series with Tri. I agree with your ceiling. Between 4 and 5 million is a good bet, assuming 3rd G or MHP3DS aren't announced before long.
 
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Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
duckroll said:
I didn't want to look up the worldwide numbers, but I would imagine that Galaxy does much better outside of Japan to give it the edge over say, SM64 DS. Is that inaccurate?
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Super Mario Galaxy - 8,84 million
Super Mario 64 DS - 8,64 million

as of March
 
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Kurosaki Ichigo

Member
Spiegel said:
I think everyone has thought about the possibility.

But Capcom would be more than happy selling 4M at 5800Y in a few months than 2.5M at 5000Y and 1.5M at platinum price in 2 years.
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Fixed. Smart Capcom slapped premium tax this time.
 
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Michan

Member
duckroll said:
Portable 2D >> Console 2D >>>>> Portable 3D >>> Console 3D
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Well, I do think portable 3d will be slightly higher when we get an original entry. So far there's only been SM64DS, which was released alongside the DS. I'm sure that an original 3d portable Mario would have done far better, especially if it had been in NSMB's position; released at the height of the DS' success.
 
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duckroll

Member
BladeoftheImmortal said:
Can't stop, won't stop!

EDIT: I like making stupid predictions, if one ever comes true, I can lord it over people for all time. MWAHAHAHA!
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No, it just makes you look stupid and not worth paying attention to at all. Plus it's annoying and adds nothing to the discussion. This isn't pre-school.
 
F

Fularu

Banned
BladeoftheImmortal said:
Can't stop, won't stop!

EDIT: I like making stupid predictions, if one ever comes true, I can lord it over people for all time. MWAHAHAHA!
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day
 
S

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
BladeoftheImmortal said:
Until I'm right.
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Well unless you're not around to gloat about it, then no one will even remember you made the prediction. So I'd stick with not going for the "look how CRAZY I am" thing.
 
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Mrbob

Member
Jonnyram said:
The margins are good for publishers. The problem is that brick-and-mortar retailers are against it, and they have all the say in Japan. Especially when you consider that retailers pay for all games, in full, up front and cannot sell dead stock back to the publishers later. But like a lot of media-related things, Japan is at least a decade behind the West on this front. There are ways that retailers could be factored into PSN releases, but noone's pushing it right now.
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I don't think the differences are that big in terms of retail pressure. US Retail still screws up a lot of digital releases. The only platform which really gets away with day and date is the PC. Ultimately this is since retailers abandoned PC gaming at retail years ago. Now retailers are crying about the success of Steam which is hilarious. :lol Good riddance to them I say.

Will be interesting to see what Sony's plan is with PSP2.
 
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rosjos44

Member
MHP3 - 2.27 to 2.3 million sold for next weeks figures. I do not think it will surpass black and white sales but it will be close. I think this one is more front loaded simply because how 2, 2G gained popularity over time.
 
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BladeoftheImmortal

Member
Stumpokapow said:
Well unless you're not around to gloat about it, then no one will even remember you made the prediction. So I'd stick with not going for the "look how CRAZY I am" thing.
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Fine, I'll drop it because otherwise I'll go on a vacation. Some people get way too serious about these predictions.

So, any word on a reshipment or what?
 
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