This is as likely as "if Pokemon underperforms at least, we might have a shot at finally getting a proper next-gen reboot for the franchise some time down the line. By underperfoming I mean sub-1 million first week, that would be a large enough drop-off that Nintendo would have to take notice."
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Media Create Sales: Week 13, 2013 (Mar 25 - Mar 31)
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This is as likely as "if Pokemon underperforms at least, we might have a shot at finally getting a proper next-gen reboot for the franchise some time down the line. By underperfoming I mean sub-1 million first week, that would be a large enough drop-off that Nintendo would have to take notice."
Considering MH is huge in Japan because of the local (and portable) multiplayer aspect, if there was a decline in the series on a popular portable platform, it would indicate that the series itself is losing appeal. A next-gen version for consoles wouldn't have the same type of multiplayer as a portable version, and would likely do worse. The only way a next-gen MH would cause a shake up if the entire fanbase suddenly wanted MH to push graphics and become primarily online-dominant in terms of multiplayer, which is practically impossible.
I expect a drop off for MH4 from MHP3, but it won't have anything to do with people suddenly not interested in a portable MH.
airmangataosenai
Member
Yes, because Monster Hunter was never a console franchise.
I'm not saying it's something sure to happen, but to say it's impossible is silly.
This isn't related to sales, but have you played any Monster Hunter game? Specifically any 3rd gen games (MHTri, MHP3rd (HD), MH3U)?
sechsterangriff
Member
Fixed?
airmangataosenai
Member
I rented MH3U for Wii U and played for about 2 hours. It was kind of fun, didn't really pull me in enough to keep going with it though. But yeah, most of my interest in discussing it is related to Sales-Age stuff.
Why are you saying this based on an MMO which has sold much much more on another console already?
Not that I expect a non-MMO mainline DQ on consoles anytime soon...
Hmm, OK. That explains the whole reboot post.
Really? Monster Hunter was never the monster it was on handhelds, but the series always did some good business on the home consoles:
[PS2] Monster Hunter - 288,559
[PS2] Monster Hunter G - 232,239
[PS2] Monster Hunter 2 - 570,651
[Wii] Monster Hunter G - 236,020
[Wii] Monster Hunter Tri - 1,070,743
[PS3] Monster Hunter Portable 3rd HD - 404,501
[Wii U] Monster Hunter Tri G HD - 195,213
By looking at current CEO's background I'm afraid DQ is likely to stay handheld at best.
I want to reiterate that the number is not good, period.
But these posts don't make a ton of sense to me- I think the general consensus was the Wii version sold pretty well for a MMO and if there is any disappointment on SE's end it would be with the retained subscriber number.
AranhaHunter
Banned
Doubt they will wait that long. 4DS is not coming out for awhile. Either port it to 3DS as is and DQ will look just the same as it did on PS2 or worse, or do a PS3/PSV HD remake. SE doesn't need to wait on Nintendo in order to make a business decision that would benefit them.
Indeed, may even go to iOS. I'm only half kidding.
A bit ironic yesbut what are the chances of Capcom releasing Monhun game for vita now that its selling well?
A MH on vita, if it ever comes, would only be after Capcom fulfills their contract obligations with Nintendo (rumored to be 3 years). MH3G came out in 2011, so, at the earliest, it would be Fall 2014.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
For Japan it's not a problem at all and the game already did rather well on Wii (650k sold, 400k subscriber base). In Japan it's already the best selling Japanese MMORPG ever. Overseas is where I see Wii family excusivity being an issue though... if SE is really serious about DQX in the west (and if Nintendo isn't already publishing it for them) they should make it Wii U/PC multiplatform.
sechsterangriff
Member
Sorry, I didn't make it more clear but that's actually what I tried to convey. There's "success" and there's "success when compared to an even greater success".
The original quote was "Yes, because Monster Hunter was never a console franchise."
I tried to "fix" it but English is not my native language..
Square Enix implied they were pretty happy at launch at least.
That said I think just about everyone is expecting the next mainline Dragon Quest on 3DS, though that would probably have happened regardless of if DQX sold four times as much as it did.
I don't think DQX implies that console DQ cannot succeed. It implies that an MMO DQ will scare off a lot of the customers.
The Monhun on Vita question again?
The Monhun on Vita question again?
The last official statement on subscriber numbers was very positive, 400 000 people subscribing for more than 3 months. But that was a long time ago, in November.
The recent news about not meeting expectations clearly said it didn't become the big hit they had hoped for. They also said they were making steady progress. They have been pushing the game since November with the free trial at Tsutaya, when subscriber numbers were definitely holding up.
Your assumption isn't backed by, and even contradicts, the official statements.
The Portable series only exists on PSP/PS3. Both 3DS entries (and the Wii U ports) are mainline.
I don't think Monster Hunter's next step will be predictable since MH4 is going to the 3DS. It could be expected that an expansion (MH4G) will be released on the 3DS at a later date, but other than that, I MH4 is breaking trends for the series.
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electroplankton
Banned
Since the mainline entries are on handheld as well, what's the reason to develop a mainline portable title now?
danke
GiantEnemyGoomba
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Even though the games absolutely bombed, new releases caused a jump in WiiU hardware sales. Take notes Nintendo.
To release them on PlayStation platforms, haha.
Going by name, yes. Going by the presence of local multiplayer over online, no. Which do you think is more important?
electroplankton
Banned
Hahaha!
The name actually. Tri G is an expansion of Tri, not Portable 3rd. Those two are separate games.
AranhaHunter
Banned
Yet evidence points to them being unhappy with DQX's performance. Maybe they expected even bigger numbers. I do agree that the sales on the Wii are extremely good. Not sure if that subscriber base is accurate today though. The number you are claiming is accurate as of what date actually? IMO, it is still a problem in Japan, though definitely not as big as it will be in the west.
Weird that you did not include PS3 and 360 on that hypothetical multiplatform strategy for the west as well.
Technically he's right though. The "Portable" series have only ever been released on PSP/PS3. The mainline series got local multiplayer over online.
Great to see LM2 holding up well.
You are absolutely delusional if you think Nintendo would get a westerner to be CEO of NCL. Even a Japanese person outside of the company is unlikely.
You are absolutely delusional if you think Nintendo would get a westerner to be CEO of NCL. Even a Japanese person outside of the company is unlikely.
Congrats to Next Level Games. They honestly did a great job on the game, and I certain;y can not wait for their next project. Succeeding in Japan brings a smile to my face, albeit the representation of the game in that country is looked as a NCL product, but nevertheless, they showed that they are a competent company that can attract wide audience of different demography.
Tri was a reboot of sorts. Portable 3rd is heavily based on Tri's content: about half of the new monsters are subspecies of Tri's. It expands off Tri's monster (water monsters not included) rather than 2nd G's. 3G is heavily based on Portable 3rd's content in turn.
Hero of Legend
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What are people's thoughts of Dragon Ball Heroes' sales? I'm honestly REALLY surprised at how much it's selling, it even went sold MORE this week than the last.
ThatObviousUser
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Capcom already tried the "HD MH" thing with Dragon's Dogma. How did that perform? (Honestly curious.)
Wii G outsold Tri G HD? Wow.
Hero of Legend
Member
Capcom already tried the "HD MH" thing with Dragon's Dogma. How did that perform? (Honestly curious.)
Wii G outsold Tri G HD? Wow.
That was released at a good point as; the Wii's install base eclipses Wii U's, and the hype for MH3, there's nothing MH-related for Wii U other than the hopeful HD MH4.
Those are my guesses.
Pretty well for a new IP:
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma - 467,375
[360] Dragon's Dogma - 39,435
It's selling very well, which pains me since it's a low effort release.
I don't think Capcom, or really anyone else agrees with you on the Tri G = portable series thing, but okay.
How is it a HD MH thing when it has no multiplayer whatsoever? It's more of an open world style action RPG than anything in MH.
I think it has more to do with the game itself and the fact that most people already own the game rather than the platform. If DQXI for example was a traditional RPG released for the Wii U(which probably won't ever happen) it would probably put more typical DQ numbers unless the fans have grown to expect the games on handhelds or something.
I guess its better for some people than paying to play it in the arcades.
I thought we went through this already in a previous thread.
Any game where multiple characters fight a large creature/monster/thing with action gameplay is a Monster Hunter clone.
Capcom already tried the "HD MH" thing with Dragon's Dogma. How did that perform? (Honestly curious.)
Wii G outsold Tri G HD? Wow.
Nobody expected Tri G HD to outsell any previous incarnations of the game. If this is a surprise to you then I'm not sure if you have your head on straight.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
I believe Vita will hit weekly sales of around 12,000 to 14,000 by the end of April. It had an amazing March, there's no denying that, but it took a lot to get to that point. There's no software in April, and Soul Sacrifice ended up not being what many hoped it to be. So good luck Vita, you're going to need it.
Oh okay, my bad. :lol
Where'd you get that? They're probably closer to 3 million which is still pretty awful.
Hero of Legend
Member
I find it to be a good thing; BN isn't going to see this a meaning people like shitty games, they'll see it as the 3DS being a good platform for future DB games, if the game bombed, BN would likely never consider a DB game on it ever again, it was likely released as a token test game, and 3DS owners seem to really dig Dragon Ball.
So now follow up with a great game, I'd still kill for Shin Budokai 3 or ANY Budokai on 3DS.
Yes. If you're using Excel, it's easy to switch the axis to log scale. Google Spreadsheets has it too.
BlackLagoon
Member
Or more specifically, to have Monster Hunter Freedom 4 to release on PS3/4 in the west in the hope of replicating the success of Monster Hunter Tri, since MH3U seems unlikely to be able to do so.