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Media Create Sales: Week 18, 2013 (Apr 29 - May 05)
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Canis lupus
Member
Thread got a tad personal
Probably it's because Nintendo stole one of his games.
Vita will sell below 10k some week this year, but it will be some fiendishly hot non-vacation summer week and it will have nothing to do with "new baseline is old baseline", and everything to do with normal seasonal patterns. Just never compare it to prior-year sales, and your glee will be safe.
How many post-GW weeks did it take last year until a new PSVita game release?
ragincajun77
Banned
My rhetoric? He responds to a post I make (that wasn't directed at him) and calls me the "Vita Master Ninja" and says that I obviously know nothing about golden week, but I am not allowed to reply in kind?
My original post dealt with those who come to the MC thread every week to espouse doom and gloom predictions about the Vita, which, btw has been the #2 selling piece of hardware for months, while completely ignoring the elephant in the room (i.e. Wii U). Now this is just my perception, but I feel that those who come each week to tell us how the Vita's death is inevitable without mentioning the Wii U's dismal situation are either Nintendo fanboys or are seeking to confirm an earlier prediction that was proven wrong (i.e. confirmation bias). Either way, the opinion, to me, seems to lack objectivity. Mind you, this is just my opinion.
Also, my initial post wasn't meant to express my opinion that the Vita is doing freaking great over in Japan, or anywhere else for that matter. Instead, all that I said is that I find it humorous that every week someone predicts that the Vita will return to sub-10K sales figures within the next few weeks. I have seen this prediction every week from Week 8: Feb. 18-24 to today.
Fast forward to this week. Vita posts numbers >22K. The same people surmise that this weeks sales figures prove the Vita's demise since it only rose 800 units during golden week. This opinion disregards the following facts:
1. The only hardware that saw any appreciable rise in sales numbers during golden week is the 3DS and we all know that it is a juggernaut.
2. Last year the 3DS sold 91K during golden week, this year it sold 20K fewer units. 3DS in ro-rohs?
3. The only vita game that came out was Photokano, while the 3DS had the following recent releases: Friend Collection: New Life (which is charting at the number 1 spot and Detective Conan: Marionette Symphony (which is charting at number 16).
4. The Vita has consistently charted at the #2 spot since the price cut, and, in fact beat the 3DS one week. Why is this relevant since we are comparing a new hardware release to mostly 7 year old hardware? First, that is not entirely accurate because the Wii U is the newest piece of hardware on the market. Vita has sold 427.960 year to date in japan. Wii U has sold 281.960. The Wii U numbers are even more troubling considering the fact that it launched on Dec 8th, so it enjoyed the momentum of a new hardware release for the first few weeks of 2013 (i.e. - 1st week Wii U sold 67.083, 2nd week Wii U sold 20.715 and we know what happened from there). Secondly, there is no way the #2 selling console (using that term loosely) is going to be discontinued. Further, I don't think we are at a point, hopefully, where developers only support the hardware that is selling the most. If that becomes the case at any point, we are all screwed. My point is that arguing that the Vita will be discontinued within a year despite the fact that it has consistently charted at the #2 spot is effectively saying that the market only has room for the top selling console/handheld.
In a nutshell it just drives me crazy to see the same people each week predicting the Vita's demise despite the fact that it is #2 on the hardware charts and despite the fact that it is selling 2x as much as it was last year while at the same time completely ignoring the Wii U's dilemma. It just reeks of fanboyism and confirmation bias.
electroplankton
Banned
ragincajun77
Banned
Funny, but no. If you really want to know:
http://www.ign.com/blogs/ragincajun7708/2012/06/12/i-am-done-with-nintendo/
Father_Brain
Banned
You actually believe Wii U's terrible sales are being ignored in these threads, while admitting that you "fucking hate Nintendo for personal reasons." If you want to find fanboyism and confirmation bias, I suggest you look in a mirror.
ragincajun77
Banned
By the way, please don't talk about my wife. She just got diagnosed with breast cancer. Thank you.
You have to be a joke character.
No it bomba'd. Something like half as much as mgs 3d iirc.
electroplankton
Banned
By the way, I want your attention on this:
12./13. [3DS] Detective Conan: Marionette Symphony <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.04.25} (¥5.480) - 7.709 / 19.750 <40-60%> (-36%)
It's not selling that bad compared to previous entries. If it has the usual legs, it could end up around 35-40k units.
12./13. [3DS] Detective Conan: Marionette Symphony <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.04.25} (¥5.480) - 7.709 / 19.750 <40-60%> (-36%)
It's not selling that bad compared to previous entries. If it has the usual legs, it could end up around 35-40k units.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
I don't think that has anything to do with people making a nasty rhetorical question that everyone knew the answer to would be a resounding no just to make a point similar to the following:
You can be done with a company based on their practices and appeal to yourself but having strong feelings like "fucking hate"?
Especially based on apparently a single customer support incident after a 25 (?) year success streak? That seems unhealthy. Annoyance? Sure. Give deeper feelings the #2 spot though!
Edit: oh wait, you're not actually done with them because you'll still buy their games... Er... Okay, I'm done with you.
Exterminieren
Banned
I must have been imagining the lol WiiU posts over the past few months.
Think globally chap. Being 2nd in Japan means jack shit when the Japanese market only seems to want the 3DS. When you factor in every other territory, Vita ain't 2nd. Sadly.
Huh. Odd. I'm surprised that the 3DS & Vita percentages are so close for Konami.
electroplankton
Banned
I think it might follow the same pattern as Mario Kart 7 vs Mario Kart DS
ragincajun77
Banned
Look in my post history and find one post by me talking about the Wii U's sales. You won't find it except for the one you just quoted, which I used as an example for something completely unrelated to the actual state of Wii U's market share.
Further, if you want to see why I "fucking hate Nintendo" read the link I posted. I owned every single Nintendo console dating back to the original NES. I owned 3 separate 3DS handhelds and they screwed me on a valid warranty call. That is why I fucking hate them. It has zero to do with "fanboyism".
Your use of ad hominem arguments make you look like a fool. Just saying.
ragincajun77
Banned
Trust me, you couldn't afford me. Also, if you would have continued reading you would see that when I said I will continue buying Nintendo games, I meant for my children.
metalslimer
Member
Yeah no one ever　talks about Wii U's shitty sales in this thread. OH　THE　HORROR!!!! You're getting called out for coming in this thread, making strawman arguments without backing them up, and accusing others of being fanboys. We've already been through the same thing with a bunch of joke characters so don't expect any sympathy here. You obviously don't closely read these threads otherwise you would realize just how foolish your claims are.
Edit: And I'm sorry if your wife has breast cancer, that joke was out of line, but that doesn't change anything I said. If you don't want to be seen as a fanboy joke character actually back up your claims instead of whining about these mysterious people. But even then whining about other people is fucking annoying so just ignore them, and if you can't you obviously should take a break from here
Edit: And I'm sorry if your wife has breast cancer, that joke was out of line, but that doesn't change anything I said. If you don't want to be seen as a fanboy joke character actually back up your claims instead of whining about these mysterious people. But even then whining about other people is fucking annoying so just ignore them, and if you can't you obviously should take a break from here
Please, please explain to me how a #2 position inherently means it's doing well.
Dude, you gotta calm down. No need to get so aggressive and make this "personal".
1. Being second place doesn't mean shit if the numbers aren't good. If there was a competition (let's go with a race). The average time for that race is usually around 12 seconds. Say the person who became first finished in 9 seconds, but the person in second finished in 25 seconds. Sure second place is in second place, but that is ignoring the poor time second place gotten. The same deal goes here.
2. It is false to claim that Wii U sales are being ignored. Everyone knows it is failing hard right now and will continue to do so until Nintendo does something. It's just going to continue to drop and drop with a few bumps for various reasons. There isn't much to discuss here other than how stupid Nintendo handled the Wii U and the lack of sofftware.
3. The Vita is currently the system with the most attention on these threads due to the recent price cut and many software releases during the past 2 months. People were anticipating its performance. And it will continue to have the most attention until its performance is "predictable".
Spieler Eins
Member
This post reminds me of that classic one in which some kid tries to convince and scare someone by pretending to be some super skilled marine.
Please explain how pointing out sth is #2 in sales is equivalent to claiming it's doing "well", whatever the fuck that even means.Please, please explain to me how a #2 position inherently means it's doing well.That's a 2nd-grade level logical fallacy.
Sounds about right. It'll do well off the backs of Monster Hunter and Pokemon.
In what context did the poster post it? Obviously he was using it as a way to say it is doing well.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Because it's presented as his single argument against people speaking of the Vita's demise, the possibility of its discontinuity and generally commenting on its bad performance. What post did you read, one that only said "it's #2" and none of the rest? Not that I think the system is doomed, things could be turned around (and that's a real reason for it not to be discontinued), but they haven't so far and it certainly needs to start doing better.
Same for the Wii U. It too could be turned around depending on what Nintendo does. And by turned around nobody would mean reaching Vita's current state despite the fact it's home vs handheld (so a lot leser in Japan).
Why on earth else would he emphasize that so heavily and point to it as a reason why Sony wouldn't discontinue it?
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Well, the other guy seems to be on a broken record about being number 2 there, as if it is suppose to mean something.
'Cause that's how he presented his argument.
Don't just read things into other people's posts. Ask them for clarification if you think there's something important to uncover.
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The hows and whys and context are well laid out before your eyes. What's the use of interpreting grand secret meanings into other people's posts, instead of just tackling the arguments at face value?
Magicpaint
Member
Cute.
Really though, you keep reiterating that the Vita being second place on the hardware chart means something. It's like taking out the actual numbers in the software charts and assuming the positions themselves mean something more. You need context and the context: i.e the raw numbers are not all that healthy for Vita. It's progress from a year ago, but I'll tell you that when the 3DS dropped into the high 20ks, people were saying very similar things about its fate. Now whether the Vita can turn it around 3DS style remains to be seen...
On a sidenote, I'm really sorry to hear of your wife's cancer diagnosis and wish her godspeed recovery.
Hmm OK, but what does the bolded indicate in this post?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=57243606&postcount=364
thestopsign
Member
I don't think a lot of people would dispute the Vita has had modest success these last few months in Japan. The problem is the future is bleak with little to excite either the Japanese market or the global market, barring a major E3 blowout I just don't see it breaking out of its position. It will slowly lose the momentum it gained until it is back to the level it was at before.
There's nothing to "read into it". He said explicitly, over and over, that he thinks a #2 position is something meaningful.
Yeah, they are completely focusing on the PS4. Vita is an afterthought.
Hero of Legend
Member
It's like saying that:
3DS at 1 million
Vita at 10
Everything else at 9
BUT VITA IS SECOND GUYS!
Exaggeration, but as others have said, placements don't matter, the numbers alone do.
3DS at 1 million
Vita at 10
Everything else at 9
BUT VITA IS SECOND GUYS!
Exaggeration, but as others have said, placements don't matter, the numbers alone do.
ragincajun77
Banned
pieatorium
Member
http://67.227.255.239/forum/showpost.php?p=45288486&postcount=510
The conditions for you to start cheering and calling for WiiU's discontinuation must be getting close?
What are we considering a significant title and how long do we give for it to come out?
If we were underestimating how much of a disaster Vita was are we also underestimating how much of a disaster WiiU is?
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
If Wii U hasn't improved in a year (after and if Nintendo has managed to actually release a few things) then I think you'll see the exact same comments by some people.
Not that people will agree it should be discontinued, there's always the chance of it doing better depending on what the company can do for it, but you won't see anyone saying the reason it shouldn't be discontinued is that it's #3 (or whatever small number) but instead other reasons like the possibility of fixing the situation, the harm it would do to the brand, and other real reasons. And it'd always be called the flop it is. As it already is.
Now you're the one desperately readng into things, lmao.
It indicates #2 placement in hardware sales, that discontiuation is highly unlikely, and that we indeed shouldn't wish for discontinuation of a #2 product, because by extension of logic it would mean we welcome a single-device future.
You could ask him if he also thinks the Vita has a bright, awesome, wonderful future, or sth along those lines. But it would be redundant. The response to that question is already posted.