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[darkwing]

lol at this rate when will the PS4 catch up with the WiiU

 

[Oemenia]

They released Little Battlers Xperience W for the Vita, so I don't think they have any bad blood with Sony or the system. They probably just don't have any interest.

Third parties are ultimately seeking their own benefit, and will pursue audiences and relationships based on that. A lot of Level-5's IPs are all-ages sort of things. The Vita has more of a niche appeal, so the 3DS is probably a better fit for these. These are the same sort of titles that I could easily see moving to mobile, however. Not sure how Level-5's done on that front.

Makes sense, but if Sony money-hatted them enough wouldn't they be interested. Sony clearly must see how their games sell gangbusters and LTBXW was a long while ago.

 

[RalchAC]

That bothers me more than it should.

My god, everytime I see that picture I die a little inside. Clean your fucking device once a year, my god. And don't bring your Vita to the dusty library where you work.

Vita and 3DS.

That's the correct answer.

 

[phanphare]

lol at this rate when will the PS4 catch up with the WiiU

edit: misread

 

[prag16]

lol at this rate when will the PS4 catch up with the WiiU

LTD, "never" is something that has to be on the table at least as a possibility...

 

[Vashetti]

So ummm... PS4 seems to be pretty fucked lol D:

Sony saw the writing on the wall and chose to launch there as one of their last places. That stock is better served elsewhere.

 

[Waluigilicious]

Does anyone have weekly sales of PS3/PS4/GCN/WiiU lined up so far in their lifetime?

 

[Smiles and Cries]

You are correct, launch aligned, those streams already crossed a week or two ago. This week puts PS4 farther behind.

Does anybody have PS4 vs. PS3 vs. Wii U numbers, launch aligned?

we should have an 8K club chart until someone wakes PS4 up
Nintendo made many mistakes with Wii U but PS4 does not deserve this I really don't get why Sony had no Japanese software lined up for it, are they trying to repeat Vita's start?

 

[dragonfart28]

LTD, "never" is something that has to be on the table at least as a possibility...

I don't know if we ever could have predicted a result this dire before launch.

What was the expectation for PS4 in Japan going in?

 

[pulsemyne]

lol at this rate when will the PS4 catch up with the WiiU

Probably not for the rest of this year considering mario kart is about to come out. That should give the WiiU a healthy lead over the PS4 for at least a few months.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

no ps4 games in the top 20? no wonder it didn't move anything. Sony really need to get some Japanese games out already.

 

[impetuous_silly]

Congrats to Japan for not falling for the hype.

People there apparently have a much better gauge on value than we do.

Looking to Japan is like looking into the future, on many different facets.

 

[deleted]

So we have a new system but an overall YoY decline of ~500k. That's not good right?

 

[mclem]

Third parties are ultimately seeking their own benefit, and will pursue audiences and relationships based on that. A lot of Level-5's IPs are all-ages sort of things. The Vita has more of a niche appeal, so the 3DS is probably a better fit for these. These are the same sort of titles that I could easily see moving to mobile, however. Not sure how Level-5's done on that front.

...speaking of which, is that Layton 7... thing... happening yet?

 

[Days like these...]

we should have an 8K club chart until someone wakes PS4 up
Nintendo made many mistakes with Wii U but PS4 does not deserve this I really don't get why Sony had no Japanese software lined up for it, are they trying to repeat Vita's start?

Sony also made many mistakes launching late and not having a good launch line up. So why exactly does the ps4 not deserve this?

 

[Orgen]

Wii U will probably drop next week (I think this week's baseline is more because of continued Golden Week than MK8 pre-hype) so maybe we won't see the streams crossed until MK8's week.

We'll see next week.

 

[maxcriden]

With GTA V being a western game and a big seller, does that mean Infamous may do better than expected?

(Also, on a semi-related note, has MGS always been as big in JP as it is in the West?)

 

[maabus1999]

PS3 launched during holiday season though so it's little unfair to make straight comparison. PS3 too was doing pretty horrible numbers already in April 2007. Still I guess my main point is that the PS3 also had very slow start and yet it went to sell about 10 million. Sure PS4 could do million or two less but no GC numbers.

My counter argument to this is PS3 started selling well right as smart phones were finding their footing. PS4 has way more competition for "entertainment time" in Japan, and by these sales number, near irrelevancy. We'll see in the long run, but I think the Wii U current numbers are what we are going to see for PS4 long term.

 

[mclem]

I would be kind of surprised if whatever Project Beast is makes it out before October 7th.

That's probably about the only thing SCEJ is likely to dig up.

Could a Definitive Edition of something a) happen and b) sell? I'm thinking Dark Souls 2 primarily, but there might be other games that'd fit the bill (I don't really see TLOU having the required impact, though)

 

[darkwing]

how big is the WiiU lead over the PS4 , overall sales

 

[test_account]

lol at this rate when will the PS4 catch up with the WiiU

Maybe my math is wrong, but the PS4 sold 867 more units than the WiiU this week. If that was a static number, it would take about 25 years for the PS4 to catch up to the WiiU. In real terms, its impossible to say for sure since the weekly sales numbers changes every week. It took the PS3 about 3 years to catch up to the Gamecube.

 

[prag16]

I don't know if we ever could have predicted a result this dire before launch.

What was the expectation for PS4 in Japan going in?

I think it ranged from tepid to market-saving. But I don't think anybody was foolhardy enough to even consider final PS4 < Wii U LTD prelaunch. That it's even a possibility now is a little jarring, after how the Wii U has struggled.

Probably not for the rest of this year considering mario kart is about to come out. That should give the WiiU a healthy lead over the PS4 for at least a few months.

"At least a few months"? Are you talking LTD? Even YTD Wii U may well end up beating PS4 for 2014..

 

[Sadist]

Depressing.

Well, anything not named You-Kai Watch that is.

 

[zroid]

Based Yokai Watch continues to deliver <3

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Sony also made many mistakes launching late and not having a good launch line up. So why exactly does the ps4 not deserve this?

someone needs to hold the home console base in Japan and PS4 had the best chance to do this, but you are right I guess Sony deserves this situation but this is like Vita all over again

Vita should have kicked 3DS's ass all over the place but it just struggled for years before it made a comeback. At this rate core gaming in Japan is lost to mobile forever

 

[darkwing]

I think it ranged from tepid to market-saving. But I don't think anybody was foolhardy enough to even consider final PS4 < Wii U LTD prelaunch. That it's even a possibility now is a little jarring, after how the Wii U has struggled.



"At least a few months"? Are you talking LTD? Even YTD Wii U may well end up beating PS4 for 2014..

YTD Wii U is a certainty after that palty PS4 2014 games list

 

[LordOcidax]

how big is the WiiU lead over the PS4 , overall sales

In Japan,, 1.2 millions.

 

[Tripon]

Seems like a crazy week in Japan.

 

[phanphare]

Maybe my math is wrong, but the PS4 sold 867 more units than the WiiU this week. If that was a static number, it would take about 25 years for the PS4 to catch up to the WiiU. In real terms, its impossible to say for sure since the weekly sales numbers changes every week. It took the PS3 about 3 years to catch up to the Gamecube.

so...by the time PS4 catches up to Wii U (if it ever does) Nintendo could have their next home console on the market. ouch.

 

[Makai]

None of them.

Amazing.

Maybe there are some PS4 games coming out in 2014 without specific release dates? Nintendo's 2014 list seems decent to me and most don't have release dates:

Mario Kart
Bayonetta
Hyrule Warriors
Smash Bros
X

 

[KingSnake]

how big is the WiiU lead over the PS4 , overall sales

1162967 units.

Edit: And beaten. I think more important is that PS4 next big seller in Japan seems to be FF XV and that won't happen in the next 12 months.

 

[L Thammy]

Makes sense, but if Sony money-hatted them enough wouldn't they be interested. Sony clearly must see how their games sell gangbusters and LTBXW was a long while ago.

It costs more to moneyhat a decision if that decision has little chance of being made anyway. As such, Sony probably doesn't consider it to be as worthwhile as pursuing other relationships. Since Level-5 is already planning to put games on Nintendo's handhelds, it's easy for them to make arrangements that are mutually beneficial.

...speaking of which, is that Layton 7... thing... happening yet?

Doesn't even have a Wikipedia page, so I guess not.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

while you guys talk of Sony paying Level 5 to port Yo-Kai Watch to Vita, I think Nintendo should try to sneak an HD version deal in there for Wii U while this new pokemon-ghost fad is hot

 

[Oemenia]

With GTA V being a western game and a big seller, does that mean Infamous may do better than expected?

(Also, on a semi-related note, has MGS always been as big in JP as it is in the West?)

Well majority of Western games released in the West now get releases in Japan so that shows you how much progress there's been. Funny thing is that its the 360 that started the trend where they were all selling low but steady numbers.

Who knows maybe the game drought might help these games get more attention.

 

[KillerMan91]

My counter argument to this is PS3 started selling well right as smart phones were finding their footing. PS4 has way more competition for "entertainment time" in Japan, and by these sales number, near irrelevancy. We'll see in the long run, but I think the Wii U current numbers are what we are going to see for PS4 long term.

I really don't see how in the long run PS4 will continue to sell WiiU like numbers. Unlike WiiU it will have actual third party support. Big Japanese franchises like RE, MGS, FF, KH and Tales of will come eventually and then there is the ever growing western production (COD pulls over 200k these days and well with GTAV GTA has become a big franchise even in Japan). WiiU has only Nintendo and considering how dead it is everywhere I can't see Nintendo supporting it as long as publishers support PS4.

 

[Tripon]

Level 5 owns this so as popular as it has become maybe they will spread the IP to other platforms

Yokai Watch's is popular among kids. So it probably won't get a Vita release. Maybe a PS3 release down the road, but more probably a F2P mobile release if I had to guess.

 

[darkwing]

In Japan,, 1.2 millions.

yikes, even at a 30k to 10k difference every week it would take more than a year and that is if the PS4 have games Japan is interested in

 

[LordOcidax]

I have the feeling that the Wii U is going to sell more than the PS4 (New console) this year (2014) in Japan.

 

[Days like these...]

I really don't see how in the long run PS4 will continue to sell WiiU like numbers. Unlike WiiU it will have actual third party support. Big Japanese franchises like RE, MGS, FF, KH and Tales of will come eventually and then there is the ever growing western production (COD pulls over 200k these days and well with GTAV GTA has become a big franchise even in Japan). WiiU has only Nintendo and considering how dead it is everywhere I can't see Nintendo supporting it as long as publishers support PS4.

The question is how long can the ps4 hold out till it gets actual third party support?

 

[maabus1999]

I really don't see how in the long run PS4 will continue to sell WiiU like numbers. Unlike WiiU it will have actual third party support. Big Japanese franchises like RE, MGS, FF, KH and Tales of will come eventually and then there is the ever growing western production (COD pulls over 200k these days and well with GTAV GTA has become a big franchise even in Japan). WiiU has only Nintendo and considering how dead it is everywhere I can't see Nintendo supporting it as long as publishers support PS4.

Key term in your post is eventually, and every quarter, more and more people in Japan will be finding new entertainment value on mobile. Outside of some true fans, I don't see any of those titles bringing people in, just like major titles on Wii U not moving the needle; no matter if it is 1st or 3rd party.

 

[KillerMan91]

The question is how long can the ps4 hold out till it gets actual third party support?

Those fanchises will come eventually to PS4 no matter how badly it sells in Japan because they make majority of their sales in west (well except Tales of).

 

[allan-bh]

I have the feeling that the Wii U is going to sell more than the PS4 (New console) this year (2014) in Japan.

With Mario Kart and others I think it's not out of question.

 

[Asd202]

Bye Japan home console support you'll be missed.

 

[cw_sasuke]

I have the feeling that the Wii U is going to sell more than the PS4 (New console) this year (2014) in Japan.

Well with MK8 and Smash WiiU will get two of the biggest console titles this gen - and whatever else Nintendo might still unveil. From the lineup it doesnt look like the PS4 will be able to deliver these kinds of game till 2015. FF15 next year would be essential.

 

[darkwing]

I have the feeling that the Wii U is going to sell more than the PS4 (New console) this year (2014) in Japan.

this is a certainty , PS4 has no equivalent Smash/MK game this year

 

[Mpl90]

Those fanchises will come eventually to PS4 no matter how badly it sells in Japan because they make majority of their sales in west (well except Tales of).

Those franchises will surely come to PS4 because of Western sales possibility.
But...what if they come to other consoles as well, like...I don't know...next Nintendo handheld and Vita?

 

[mankoto]

The question is how long can the ps4 hold out till it gets actual third party support?

It'll live off of Idea Factory/Compile Heart games and NIS until they arrive.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I have the feeling that the Wii U is going to sell more than the PS4 (New console) this year (2014) in Japan.

6 months ago this would be laughed at but now it is no longer a joke but very real

I'm going to buy a PS4 as soon as they tell me GTAV is really coming to it but it needs to do much better getting Japanese software $400 is not cheap for me

 

[Kysen]

Mind boggling how Sony didn't get any Japanese software lined up after launch. That release list posted earlier means nothing on the horizon till November onwards. We might be looking at a Vita year 1 situation again.

 

[Vandole]

So what I'm getting from these console numbers is that Xbox One still has a chance?