Also wonder how this list looks if you mark all the games Sony is helping with in some fashion
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Media Create Sales: Week 24, 2015 (Jun 08 - Jun 14)
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Also wonder how this list looks if you mark all the games Sony is helping with in some fashion
I think you'll find they're number one!
Pennywise83
Banned
So, Bandai Namco is really hoping God Eater will take off on PS4: a remake of the first entry is being released this Fall in Japan on PS4 and PSV.
I wouldn't say that. I think Resurrection is on PS4 because it'll run on tech that has already been ported to the platform.
What was the ration of PSV/PS4 sales for Rage Burst already ?
Sure Resurection should improve that, but the vast majority of sales will remain on PSV.
Pennywise83
Banned
Well, Bandai Namco should desperately find a new home for the God Eater franchise, since PSV won't likely see a successor. The problem is, God Eater 2: Rage Burst bombed on PS4, and it won't likely have any relevant success in the West.
Tsutaya's report
- Rhythm Heaven The Best+ still with strong sales. And expected to continue to sell great over time.
- Popolocrois sold what it was expected. It was popular among old fans.
- Devil May Cry 4 Special Edition stood out too.
For next week
- Fire Emblem Fates is expected to become the best seller entry of the series.
- Pre-orders are concentrate on White Kingdom version since is aimed to beginners. After beating this edition, it's expected that they'll buy the other one by DLC.
- Other big releases for the week are Persona 4: Dancing all night,
- and FFXIV Heavensward, PS4 > PS3 is expected
- Of course Rhythm Heaven will keep selling well.
- Rhythm Heaven The Best+ still with strong sales. And expected to continue to sell great over time.
- Popolocrois sold what it was expected. It was popular among old fans.
- Devil May Cry 4 Special Edition stood out too.
For next week
- Fire Emblem Fates is expected to become the best seller entry of the series.
- Pre-orders are concentrate on White Kingdom version since is aimed to beginners. After beating this edition, it's expected that they'll buy the other one by DLC.
- Other big releases for the week are Persona 4: Dancing all night,
- and FFXIV Heavensward, PS4 > PS3 is expected
- Of course Rhythm Heaven will keep selling well.
Is that supposed to be good or bad? I don't think we have any idea of the shipment yet...
Anyway, good news for Rhythm Heaven and FEF.
Kresnik258
Member
I don't know what to expect of Resurrection. I don't think it's going to sell anywhere close to GE2 / RB.
Not sure what they're going for with it really other than re-using assets. I expected it to be a 3DS title when the name was first revealed.
Not sure what they're going for with it really other than re-using assets. I expected it to be a 3DS title when the name was first revealed.
Well, the NX isn't out yet, so I'm not sure where else you were expecting them to put it.
theprodigy
Member
so can Famitsu track that though? lol
I honestly think(and KT with Toukiden) they'll try to transition it to PS4(/Steam). I think they are going to try phasing the Vita releases out as they did with PSP.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Isn't the God Eater anime airing soon?
It's a hunting game: they rely heavily on local multiplayer. Releasing them just on a home console means killing a huge part of their appeal.
They've been vocal about that for a while now I think.
Edit: Yeah, there was already this from April.
IGN said:
There's something funny about seeing Nomura saying that, when he was previously saying the same things about Versus XIII on PS3. Maybe this time he'll actually be able to make a game?
Honestly I think a lot of the separation you see between Nintendo platforms and Sony platforms will evaporate as we transition (and as we drop the s on platforms for both).
Right now there's just a really large fundamental architecture difference between the two, but when we're talking about standard PC parts versus standard mobile parts, that's a pretty similar base to work with hardware feature-set wise even if they have different first party APIs.
Also, given the quick uptake on Unreal and Unity in Japan, we're looking at many studios having technology platforms that will likely support Mobile/PS4/NX all at once, including PC/XB1 for any games that want them for Western releases.
Well it's likely outsourced so there's a chance this time!There's something funny about seeing Nomura saying that, when he was previously saying the same things about Versus XIII on PS3. Maybe this time he'll actually be able to make a game?
Some anticipation of Famitsu's Top 30 (retail + digital) {2015.4.20 - 2015.5.24}
Xenoblade Chronicles X - 23,000
BuriBuri 2 (?!?...maybe Bravely Second?) - 14,500
The Witcher 3 - 14.4% of total sales is digital
The rest is not clear enough on Hokanko to try to understand it.
Xenoblade Chronicles X - 23,000
BuriBuri 2 (?!?...maybe Bravely Second?) - 14,500
The Witcher 3 - 14.4% of total sales is digital
The rest is not clear enough on Hokanko to try to understand it.
A lot of medium sized publishers in Japan would also prefer PS4 to be a success.
Kresnik258
Member
I don't know if anyone remembers a while back, Compile Heart provided a pre-order page for "Makai Shin Trillion" detailing reward tiers based on numbers of pre-orders, but also used it to demonstrate profitability of the game.
Something reminded me of it today, so I looked it up again:
http://www.compileheart.com/trillion/campaign/
Look like it's about to teeter from rank B into rank A, which according to the descriptions above the ranks, indicates moving from minor deficit to minor profitability.
Of course, I can't vouch for them having adjusted the figures for this based on the delay the game received from its original May 21st release.
I still find it somewhat interesting because at least it gives us an insight into level of sales needed for these types of games to be profitable. And for this particular title, it seems it's going to get there from pre-orders alone.
Something reminded me of it today, so I looked it up again:
http://www.compileheart.com/trillion/campaign/
Look like it's about to teeter from rank B into rank A, which according to the descriptions above the ranks, indicates moving from minor deficit to minor profitability.
Of course, I can't vouch for them having adjusted the figures for this based on the delay the game received from its original May 21st release.
I still find it somewhat interesting because at least it gives us an insight into level of sales needed for these types of games to be profitable. And for this particular title, it seems it's going to get there from pre-orders alone.
I'm sure, but they're also not exactly the kind of publishers that can make that happen the same way the larger publishers could if they mostly went in.
Agreed.
Sorry I was on my phone so didn't expand on my point. What I wanted to say is that they want PS4 to succeed but are being cautious by opting for multiplatform solutions. All these medium sized developers (and even larger) are following each other with the current multiplatform strategy so that they're still selling in to the large userbase on PS3/PSV in case the PS4 version fails to perform to standard.
So far we've seen PS4 exclusive titles fail to break records whilst PS3/PS4 titles have seen the PS3 version sell far better.
I was basically agreeing with your whole Square Enix are trying to expand to PS4 only titles on their own. It's very much true. No other publisher has taken the jump to PS4/Next Gen only.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Huh I was wondering about this. Interesting!
Just because it's bad idea doesn't mean they won't do it.
I'm not entirely convinced because I don't see it as a primarily technological difference. I think publishers still see the two sets of platforms has having entirely different tastes(whether true or not), hence publishers chibifying everything on 3DS.
We're also at a time when Sony is very heavily incentivising developers to stay exclusive to their family of systems.
Well Vita is going to be naturally phased out as it gets older anyway and PS4(and PC now for Toukiden) is the only place they're establishing any kind of future for the franchise.
When are these usually released?
For The Witcher I'm getting 11,335 digital sales.
It would just naturally move to another handheld platform as its flagship.
Kresnik258
Member
Apologies if this is old news, just stumbled across it before (article is new, not sure the news is):
http://jin115.com/archives/52086257.html
Interview with GungHo CEO - Puzzles & Mario didn't sell as much as they expected, but Mario games tend to have legs. Said they didn't properly get across the appeal to customers.
(from what I picked up from a rough Google Translation)
http://jin115.com/archives/52086257.html
Interview with GungHo CEO - Puzzles & Mario didn't sell as much as they expected, but Mario games tend to have legs. Said they didn't properly get across the appeal to customers.
(from what I picked up from a rough Google Translation)
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I dunno, my impression is that people got burned by PADZ being kinda meh. Similar situation with the Bravely series
On the one hand I agree with you that publishers see the demographics as very different. On the other hand, I think that becomes less true in a generation shift when everything is set back to zero.
I think there are certainly a set of games that will just go to PS4 and hope for the best, but given how they've sold on consoles, I'm not convinced hunting action games are one of them barring a huge overperformance by something like Frontier 2 or one of the games having major success (relative to expectations) in the West on consoles.
That has certainly stuck out to me. The support just isn't there on the other fronts to force the issue.
They're hoping to do it gradually, but the question is how much they can succeed by doing so.
I was actually waiting to post about this myself, since the promotion ends on the 30th of June. It's been at mid-B rank for a month or so now so this sudden push is actually kinda surprising. It probably coincided with more info and trailers becoming available.
While I'm certain the page is tongue in cheek, it'd still be pretty interesting if it reached A rank and then on July 23rd we see its sales numbers are like, 15K or something like that. You're right in that it'll give an idea on just how tight at budgeting these guys are. However I think this is all just a big joke and not some reliable way to gauge anything.
Also given that the whole preorder campaign promotion was extended (used to be that it ended in mid April or so), I'd say they adjusted the figures accordingly.
Vita probably isn't getting a successor and I'm not convinced they'll be willing to make the switch to the Nintendo system. Especially when in God Eater's case they are doubling down on the PSV/PS4 combo.
The bolded is definitely true but my current feeling is that they are actively trying to establish the PS4 as the base and that the low sales might be seen as growing pains.
It also depends when God Eater 3 and Toukiden 2 are coming though. I could easily see them releasing on Vita even after the 3DS' successor has launched.
Kresnik258
Member
Pennywise83
Banned
XBX sold quite well on the eShop, around 20% of the total. BS also was ok.
Eolz
Member
No, but some publishers are already trying to prepare for a nintendo-only future, like Koei Tecmo and Atelier, Warriors, etc.
Obviously some other publishers would prefer ps4/pc, but this won't be enough to satisfy the japanese market, and mobile isn't yet a choice for some of their franchises.
I agree that some games will continue to be released on Vita for a good while though.
Hahahahhaa.... ok..... yeh ok.....
(I don't see Hyrule Warriors and other smaller titles as a sign that Koei Tecmo are preparing for Nintendo only, Koei has always been big on PlayStation an the collabs between Nintendo have been there between them and Koei for a long time and the games we see now is just an extension of that relationship).
Using the Dengeki numbers for XBX and Famitsu for Witcher (since XBX dropped off the Famitsu top 30), this would put XBX at about ~132,500 and Witcher at about ~119,500? Is that math right? Or totally off base?
You can't really prepare for a Nintendo-only future (in handhelds) over a generational gap. The old (18+ mil) audience may simply not want to pick up your hardware at all.
... Though I suspect that Nintendo will have a lot of big software lined up and ready for at or near launch of their next system. But that is a different matter.
Growing pains of this magnitude are unsustainable with HD/8th gen budgets. SE has the coffers to actually push the initiative but this is also why so many others are so much more tepid, are pursuing mobile, or are sticking to the 3DS. (And SE hasn't thrown caution to the wind, they are still hedging their bets with DQ re-releases elsewhere, spin-offs on all conceivable platforms, and mobile excursions. If the PS4 fails to catch on, they will have other sources of survival.) There's a lot of franchises that have released on the PS3/PS4/Vita with the PS4's sales being almost laughable compared to others, these franchises simply don't have the weight of force for the transition and they can't take the jump. NIS tried to be forward thinking/moving with the next gen... and then got lost in the woods to grandma's house.
There's also just no real reason for confidence from the consumer's point of view unless they very specifically have tastes aligned with the West. You look at Niro's list and we're looking at games that could be a third to a half a decade away. Its sparse pickings, and you're better off picking up a Vita or a 3DS than you are waiting on Godot to arrive with your PS4 software.
Now, no doubt, more and more people will upgrade but it will be a very slow, arduous process of transition from PS3 to PS4 growth and even then the size won't be "exceptional" unless some enormous changes of fortune sweep in on the winds. (Perhaps heralded in by the Valkyries of Valhalla as they come for the body of the fallen/old 3DS to the heavens for it may be the last hero (ie. success) of the consoles.)
Depending on what Nintendo does or doesn't do, you could also shatter any forward momentum with enough money getting thrown around with the launch of the NX. I have a suspicion that Nintendo is going to put a lot of weight on the handheld NX in Japan and attempt to corner as many "big" franchises as they can in whatever way they can (especially the social/community franchises that have no place on the console front). Its their last bastion at home, and they need it to survive and can't afford to rest on their laurels any more.
Hahahahhaa.... ok..... yeh ok.....
(I don't see Hyrule Warriors and other smaller titles as a sign that Koei Tecmo are preparing for Nintendo only, Koei has always been big on PlayStation an the collabs between Nintendo have been there between them and Koei for a long time and the games we see now is just an extension of that relationship).
If anything, Koei may well be more eager following the success of Hyrule Warriors to take on bigger/riskier projects for Nintendo under their IP. I'd be amazed if we don't see something to that end from multiple external developers come the launch of the NX in Japan.
Nintendo's IP will attract sales even for "unknown games" to the fanbase like Hyrule shows. They need to use that leverage because its not something that any one else can really provide, and it helps build developer reputation/acceptance amongst the user base.
If there's one thing Japanese publishers are excellent at, it's showing up as late as possible to a new system.
Looks about right. But remember the digital isn't quite up to date.
But they did that at the launch of the Wii U by creating unique ports, they did it with the Nintendo Wii as well even with new titles. Like I said, Koei have always had a good relationship with Nintendo and continue to port games or work on unique projects with them such as FATAL FRAME, HYRULE WARRIORS, SAMURAI WARRIORS CHRONICLES & POKEMON CONQUEST etc....
That doesn't mean they're preparing for a Nintendo only future.
So...Fire Emblem Musou?
I didn't say they were. If anything, I said the exact opposite.
My point was more that we may see them take bigger risks and developments than "unique ports", which are still ports at the end of the day. Fatal Frame is a good franchise but it and its development are not what I think would be categorized as risks or big deals. (Also, I thought Nintendo paid for the FFV development, or am I mistaken?) Pokemon Conquest and Hyrule Warriors are actually very recent (the latter more-so than the former) examples of KT finding successes with Nintendo's IPs.
So rather than "ports" we may actually see parallel releases along with IP-tied releases across Nintendo systems and Sony systems.
Its possible given the growths the franchise has seen.
I agree
and the nintendo only thing is up in the air in general, imho
if there will be no vita successor, that would be even dangerous for nintendo, because would mean serious issues for the portable segment. less project for smaller audience, more mobile games for Japan and for consoles for the west.
so yeah, there could be a bigger % of nintendo dedicated games, but even a smaller number than today at the end
that said, I hope they will follow HW projects on wiiu, 3ds and NX. I loved HW
In general I'm expecting a ramp down in total title count between 3DS -> NX and PS3 -> PS4 due to the decreasing size of the market and increase in the amount of resources required to make games.
I'm also expecting that there will be more titles that show up on both as the increased investment calls for more platforms both for domestic and international reasons.
Most Japanese games don't push technical boundaries very hard which is why we're sitting and looking at a lot of Vita/PS4 games as it is. Something more in the ballpark just enables that even more.
We saw a lot of Japanese games end up on 360 last gen and end up on PC now because they find these extra sales worthwhile or even notably important, not to mention the amount of Sony-jigsaw-puzzle releases we see as is.
I'm also expecting that there will be more titles that show up on both as the increased investment calls for more platforms both for domestic and international reasons.
Most Japanese games don't push technical boundaries very hard which is why we're sitting and looking at a lot of Vita/PS4 games as it is. Something more in the ballpark just enables that even more.
We saw a lot of Japanese games end up on 360 last gen and end up on PC now because they find these extra sales worthwhile or even notably important, not to mention the amount of Sony-jigsaw-puzzle releases we see as is.