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[feint_ruled]

What's the deal with the prices, why are all the PSV and PSP games more expensive than TLOU?

 

[Foshy]

What's the deal with the prices, why are all the PSV and PSP games more expensive than TLOU?

As far as I know, game pricing is more variable in Japan. Publishers individually choose the best price point for their games instead of releasing 90% of the stuff at 60$.

 

[littlebirdtoldme]

it seems like there is a small but growing market for western made games in japan today.

 

[Brazil]

I'm always so proud of Japan's tastes in gaming.

Well done, Japan.

 

[Bruno MB]

Uncharted series:

(Media Create since figures are more recent)

[PS3] Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2007.12.06} - 16.702 / 62.664
[PS3] Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (PlayStation 3 the Best) (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2009.09.03} - 3.388 / 84.548
[PS3] Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2009.10.15} - 53.827 / 121.769
[PS3] Uncharted: Twin Pack (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2010.02.18} - 1.803 / 7.349
[PS3] Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (PlayStation 3 the Best) (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2011.08.25} - 6.560 / 59.823
[PS3] Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2011.11.02} - 124.989 / 190.455
[PSV] Uncharted: Golden Abyss (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2011.12.17} - 48.224 / 108.319

 

[maltrain]

So... PlayStation Vita was the only hardware that growth this week.

GREAT FOR VITA

Edit:
And PSP beating WiiU again... well... no comments.

 

[AranhaHunter]

Uncharted series:

(Media Create since figures are more recent)

[PS3] Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2007.12.06} - 16.702 / 62.664
[PS3] Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (PlayStation 3 the Best) (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2009.09.03} - 3.388 / 84.548
[PS3] Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2009.10.15} - 53.827 / 121.769
[PS3] Uncharted: Twin Pack (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2010.02.18} - 1.803 / 7.349
[PS3] Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (PlayStation 3 the Best) (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2011.08.25} - 6.560 / 59.823
[PS3] Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2011.11.02} - 124.989 / 190.455
[PSV] Uncharted: Golden Abyss (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2011.12.17} - 48.224 / 108.319

Where are you getting these numbers from and how up to date are they? Uncharted 3 will probably break 200K when combined with the best release which I assume will be releasing later this year.

TLOU opening is more impressive than Uncharted 3 because Uncharted 3 had one more day of sale (Uncharted 3 released 11/02, week ended 11/06), TLOU is a new IP, Uncharted 3 released in the Fall. Let's hope TLOU hold is better than U3 though but I doubt it will be.

 

[Aquamarine]

Wii U - Famitsu

1	2012-12-03	308,570
2	2012-12-10	130,653
3	2012-12-17	122,356
4	2012-12-24	76,760
5	2012-12-31	70,662
6	2013-01-07	21,489
7	2013-01-14	16,635
[B]
8	2013-01-21	12,335
9	2013-01-28	11,714
10	2013-02-04	11,092
11	2013-02-11	10,167
12	2013-02-18	9,495
13	2013-02-25	9,528
14	2013-03-04	9,089
15	2013-03-11	8,567
16	2013-03-18	10,172
17	2013-03-25	21,502
18	2013-04-01	14,413
19	2013-04-08	10,147
20	2013-04-15	8,047
21	2013-04-22	8,058
22	2013-04-29	10,573
23	2013-05-06	6,744
24	2013-05-13	6,058
25	2013-05-20	5,536
26	2013-05-27	5,669
27	2013-06-03	4,549
28	2013-06-10	5,031
29	2013-06-17	4,236[/B]

Wii U... :-(

 

[Pie and Beans]

Famitsu paints a picture that the WiiU is absolutely terminal at this point. Its not got that extended audience sell, it wont have the hardcore appeal PS3/PS4 lives/will live shakily on with, and its not a handheld which is what Vita's saving grace is I guess.

When Pikmin comes out and doesnt do much of anything, its all the way into December for any truly fruitful sales off the back of a Mario and thats just too long for the thing to be on the market and be deemed an absolute failure by every consumer. That stink wont ever go away.

 

[schuelma]

When Pikmin comes out and doesnt do much of anything, its all the way into December for any truly fruitful sales off the back of a Mario and thats just too long for the thing to be on the market and be deemed an absolute failure by every consumer. That stink wont ever go away.

You could absolutely be right, but this strikes me as a bit too speculative.

 

[SmokyDave]

Wii U... :-(

"Any reason why the WiiU *won't* dominate Japan?"

Ah, crazy days.

 

[Bruno MB]

Where are you getting these numbers from and how up to date are they? Uncharted 3 will probably break 200K when combined with the best release which I assume will be releasing later this year.

TLOU opening is more impressive than Uncharted 3 because Uncharted 3 had one more day of sale (Uncharted 3 released 11/02, week ended 11/06), TLOU is a new IP, Uncharted 3 released in the Fall. Let's hope TLOU hold is better than U3 though but I doubt it will be.

From GEIMIN.NET. The figures I posted are updated as of December 30, 2012 (Media Create sales: 2012 Top 1000).

 

[Pie and Beans]

You could absolutely be right, but this strikes me as a bit too speculative.

Its a self fulfilling prophecy though. Not only do consumers see WiiU lose more and more retail space and hear the "lol fail" rumblings and feel no great desire or excitement for the product, but in turn developers watch the thing post an entire year of market sales that are beyond embarrassing and lead them to not want to touch it. By December, Mario manages to shift.... however many units and maybe then other devs jump on board which gives us games in what... 2015/16?

Theres frankly no way out of this cycle.

 

[schuelma]

Its a self fulfilling prophecy though. Not only do consumers see WiiU lose more and more retail space and hear the "lol fail" rumblings and feel no great desire or excitement for the product, but in turn developers watch the thing post an entire year of market sales that are beyond embarrassing and lead them to not want to touch it. By December, Mario manages to shift.... however many units and maybe then other devs jump on board which gives us games in what... 2015/16?

Theres frankly no way out of this cycle.

ok- my real quibble is you reducing the lineup in Japan to Mario in December. They actually have a lot of 1st party stuff lined up. Now, whether those can spur real momentum is another question..

 

[AniHawk]

ps4 can't come soon enough. 3ds is the new psp, which was the new ds, which was the new ps2.

 

[Chris1964]

Famitsu Sales: Week 25, 2013 (Jun 17 - Jun 23)

01./00. [PS3] The Last of Us <ADV> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2013.06.20} (¥5.980) - 129.983 / NEW <80-100%>
02./01. [3DS] Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.06.13} (¥4.800) - 37.634 / 131.968 <60-80%> (-60%)
03./02. [3DS] Friend Collection: New Life # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2013.04.18} (¥4.800) - 31.302 / 1.167.305 <80-100%> (-22%)
04./00. [PSV] Kami Jigen Idol Neptune PP # <ACT> (Compile Heart) {2013.06.20} (¥6.279) - 23.394 / NEW <60-80%>
05./04. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 12.685 / 3.648.069 <80-100%> (-5%)
06./00. [PSP] Storm Lover 2nd # <ADV> (D3 Publisher) {2013.06.20} (¥6.090) - 11.455 / NEW <60-80%>
07./00. [3DS] Kuma-Tomo <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.06.20} (¥4.980) - 11.215 / NEW <60-80%>
08./00. [PSP] Ro-Kyu-Bu! Lost Secret <ADV> (Kadokawa Games) {2013.06.20} (¥6.090) - 11.151 / NEW <40-60%>
09./05. [3DS] Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.03.20} (¥4.800) - 10.753 / 812.930 <80-100%> (-17%)
10./00. [3DS] Sayonara Umihara Kawase <ACT> (Agatsuma Entertainment) {2013.06.20} (¥4.980) - 9.334 / NEW <40-60%>
11./10. [WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii: Super Deluxe Edition # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.11.29} (¥5.040) - 5.277 / 503.225 <80-100%> (-6%)
12./09. [PS3] Terraria <ADV> (Spike Chunsoft) {2013.05.23} (¥4.179) - 4.716 / 44.467 <80-100%> (-20%)
13./03. [3DS] Chousoku Henkei Gyrozetter: Albatross no Tsubasa <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.06.13} (¥5.490) - 4.430 / 23.481 <40-60%> (-77%)
14./06. [PS3] Resident Evil: Revelations <ADV> (Capcom) {2013.05.23} (¥4.990) - 4.309 / 173.952 <80-100%> (-52%)
15./00. [PSV] Winning Post 7 2013 <SLG> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.06.20} (¥6.090) - 4.258 / NEW <40-60%>
16./00. [PSP] Koibana Days # <SLG> (Idea Factory) {2013.06.20} (¥6.090) - 3.918 / NEW <60-80%>
17./07. [3DS] Shin Megami Tensei IV # <RPG> (Atlus) {2013.05.23} (¥6.980) - 3.701 / 237.920 <80-100%> (-51%)
18./11. [3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission <TBL> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.02.28} (¥5.800) - 3.599 / 218.854 <80-100%> (-22%)
19./12. [3DS] Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (Best Price!) # <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.11.15} (¥3.800) - 3.538 / 298.204 <80-100%> (-4%)
20./08. [PS3] Kamen Rider: Battride War # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.05.23} (¥7.480) - 3.190 / 158.473 <80-100%> (-57%)
21./13. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.07.28} (¥4.800) - 2.965 / 2.058.650 <80-100%> (-15%)
22./15. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800) - 2.380 / 2.043.142 <80-100%> (-6%)
23./19. [NDS] Pokemon Black 2 / White 2 <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2012.06.23} (¥4.800) - 2.224 / 2.957.164 <80-100%> (+13%)
24./21. [PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2013 <SPT> (Konami) {2012.10.04} (¥7.980) - 2.161 / 437.197 <80-100%> (+23%)
25./00. [PS3] Grand Strategy: Dai Toua Kouboushi - Rise and Fall of East Asia # <SLG> (SystemSoft Alpha) {2013.06.20} (¥7.875) - 1.996 / NEW <40-60%>
26./18. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Chibi Dragon to Fushigi na Orb <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.12} (¥5.040) - 1.842 / 471.769 <80-100%> (-18%)
27./14. [PSV] Valhalla Knights 3 <RPG> (Marvelous AQL) {2013.05.23} (¥5.980) - 1.809 / 65.605 <80-100%> (-45%)
28./17. [PSP] God Eater: Burst (PSP the Best Reprint) <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.06.06} (¥1.800) - 1.754 / 6.387 <40-60%> (-22%)
29./16. [3DS] Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-Tachi Kara Nigekire! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.040) - 1.577 / 494.364 <80-100%> (-30%)
30./20. [WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥5.985) - 1.530 / 525.968 <80-100%> (-18%)

Top 30

3DS - 14
PS3 - 6
PSP - 4
PSV - 3
NDS - 1
WII - 1
WIU - 1

HARDWARE

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 3DS # |     34.480 |     41.146 |     66.953 |  1.911.747 |  2.219.548 |  11.674.249 |
|  PSV  |     13.002 |     11.728 |     12.100 |    492.109 |    353.657 |   1.569.268 |
|  PS3  |     10.077 |     10.871 |     13.785 |    450.431 |    695.465 |   9.194.764 |
| PSP # |      5.201 |      6.197 |      9.868 |    297.086 |    500.333 |  19.476.186 |
|  WIU  |      4.236 |      5.031 |            |    311.508 |            |     949.847 |
|  WII  |      1.232 |      1.252 |      5.713 |     43.572 |    265.578 |  12.704.314 |
|  360  |        189 |        222 |      1.194 |     10.916 |     33.809 |   1.598.927 |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|  ALL  |     68.417 |     76.518 |    110.516 |  3.523.175 |  4.102.244 |  79.153.716 |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|  PSP  |      5.201 |      6.197 |      9.868 |    297.086 |    500.333 |  19.315.611 |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Aside Pikmin, the next big game for the Wii U until mario is definitely Zelda.

Here's what the first Wind Waker did for the Gamecube back in 2002

http://www.ign.com/articles/2002/12/18/zelda-sells-400000

Gamecube being much healthier and at a much lower price point, mind you. It was bouncing between 15K-25K the weeks before. Shot up to 60K on release.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Had no idea TLoU would sell like this in Japan. It'll probably have a massive 70%+ drop-off next week but still, over 100k in its debut week. Guess I'm out of the loop.

Wii U 5.3k on MC and 4.3k on Famitsu. Average of 4.8k, sub 5k. That's just horrific.

 

[Wynnebeck]

"Any reason why the WiiU *won't* dominate Japan?"

Ah, crazy days.

I imagine once games like Pikmin 3, Smash Bros., etc. start releasing for it, it will sell well but until then, Wii U is more dead than the Vita.

 

[faridmon]

Congratulations to Naughty Dog, topping the Japanese chart is a big feat. Also grats to the Terraria guys.

Big western games tends to top Japanese charts...

 

[Aquamarine]

Famitsu Sales: Week 25, 2013 (Jun 17 - Jun 23)

| WIU | 4.236

According to Famitsu's tracking, that's an all-time low for the system.

I really hope the system can rise above 10K sales (Famitsu) before the holiday season.

It'd be a tragedy if Pikmin 3 / New Super Luigi U / Ryu ga Gotoku 1&2 HD can't jumpstart the system to non-abysmal levels.

 

[winjet81]

Is the Vita bump related to any new colours being offered?

I though I saw an ad floating around here for an orange version being released in Japan.

 

[liger05]

Say things dont pick up that much even when games are released could Nintendo pull the plug in 12 - 18 months?

 

[airmangataosenai]

What sort of Hardware bump are people anticipating for Pikmin? 20k?

 

[Aquamarine]

Say things dont pick up that much even when games are released could Nintendo pull the plug in 12 - 18 months?

If Mario Kart 8 + Smash Bros. U + Mario 3D World + DK: Tropical Freeze + Wii Fit U + Wii Party U + Zelda U truly cannot elevate the platform to at least GameCube levels, I don't think Nintendo will have a choice.

Those are Nintendo's strongest console IPs. That said, we won't see any Wii U cancellation before 2015...when the full spectrum of Nintendo's strongest IPs are given a chance to rejuvenate the console.

 

[Nibel]

"Any reason why the WiiU *won't* dominate Japan?"

Ah, crazy days.

Oh come on

We had the same shit with the Vita, grow some thicker skin brother Dave

 

[Yoshi]

Probably the next DQ remake will be announced for this Holiday season, too.

These are the first ones I remember.

Probably seems to be a bit optimistic. Is there anything left they could remake bar Dragon Quest 8? DQ8 is a PS2 game, so there would not be much room for improvement...

 

[SmokyDave]

I imagine once games like Pikmin 3, Smash Bros., etc. start releasing for it, it will sell well but until then, Wii U is more dead than the Vita.

Sales are bound to pick up, but it remains to be seen to what degree. Obviously the relative success or failure of the PS4 will have an impact. It'll be an exciting christmas!

Oh come on

We had the same shit with the Vita, grow some thicker skin brother Dave

Huh? I was just saying it's crazy that we've gone from expectations of domination to abject failure. Just shows that nothing can be taken for granted in the wild world of sales.

 

[TheChaos0]

Considering the medicore review it got from Famitsu, i don't think it will do too hot.

9/8/8/9 is a mediocre review? Not sure what you are referring to.

 

[DaBoss]

Well Famitsu scores are ridiculous themselves. If it isn't a 36 or higher, someone didn't give Famitsu enough money or something. The scores used to mean something.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Why was the 3DS selling like hot cakes last year but not this?

There is almost a 50% drop YOY.

9/8/8/9 is a mediocre review? Not sure what you are referring to.

Toukiden (PSV) &#8211; 9/8/8/9 [34/40]
Toukiden (PSP) &#8211; 8/8/9/8 [33/40]

I just don't consider it up to Famitsu standards. But we all know how much of a sell-out they are so i guess we shouldn't trust their score.

 

[Mpl90]

Probably seems to be a bit optimistic. Is there anything left they could remake bar Dragon Quest 8? DQ8 is a PS2 game, so there would not be much room for improvement...

Dragon Quest Monsters 2.

 

[DaBoss]

Why was the 3DS selling like hot cakes last year but not this?

There is almost a 50% drop YOY.

Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland 3D was still selling and then Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 released on Week 25 last year.

 

[MasterSheen]

A week old but 3DS software sales this year has passed its 2011 total.

 

[Exterminieren]

Say things dont pick up that much even when games are released could Nintendo pull the plug in 12 - 18 months?

I doubt it. They'll wring every ounce of profitability they can out of it, and let 3DS sustain them in the market, with the profits for the first party titles they do get out helping it along. Similar angle to the one they used for Gamecube/GBA.

Why was the 3DS selling like hot cakes last year but not this?

There is almost a 50% drop YOY.

Everything moved out of summer to avoid Mon Hun. Mon Hun got delayed. There's a vacuum in the 3DS schedule as a result.

What software there has been is doing well, though.

 

[Mpl90]

A week old but 3DS software sales this year has passed its 2011 total.

To be honest, not such a big achievement, given what happened in 2011, at least until the last two-three months XD

 

[Slayven]

Sales are bound to pick up, but it remains to be seen to what degree. Obviously the relative success or failure of the PS4 will have an impact. It'll be an exciting christmas!


Huh? I was just saying it's crazy that we've gone from expectations of domination to abject failure. Just shows that nothing can be taken for granted in the wild world of sales.

Jan numbers will be fun, but Feb might be orgasmic.

 

[AranhaHunter]

ps4 can't come soon enough. 3ds is the new psp, which was the new ds, which was the new ps2.

I think the PS4 will struggle out of the gates in JP. There's NOTHING announced for it at launch that will make people wanna buy it. FFXV, MGSV are both 2014, KH3 is 2015 at the earliest, all are multiplatform titles with MGSV also being on PS3. GT6, LR, DS2 are for PS3. No niche or mid sized games announced for PS4. Dark Souls 2 and GT6 are rumored to be cross gen like MGSV, but that runs into the same problem the vita has with a lot of mp titles.

Right now, there's no PS4 exclusive game that appeals to the Japanese audience, all games that appeal to them are mp titles. There are no games announced at launch that appeal to the JP audience, all games that appeal to them are 2014 and beyond titles.

I think Sony is doing well by delaying the launch of the PS4 in Japan, to be honest.

 

[MasterSheen]

To be honest, not such a big achievement, given what happened in 2011, at least until the last two-three months XD

I know

 

[Lord_Byron28]

ok- my real quibble is you reducing the lineup in Japan to Mario in December. They actually have a lot of 1st party stuff lined up. Now, whether those can spur real momentum is another question..

I think when they actually start releasing games at a steadier pace the baseline may be raised to something like 10k before the holiday season which is better than now but is still terrible. I'm curious what their release schedule is for 2014. They have Mario Kart, Yoshis Yarn, X, Bayo 2, Wii Fit and Smash. If they could get a steady release lineup after Mario for the holidays they could make some strides to improving the systems outlook. Granted it will only be improving it from colossal disaster to a huge dissapointment.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Hoping TLOU also has a strong second week. One of those games which has a terrific word of mouth.

 

[FreedomFighter]

It's a joke, but it should be real. TLOU is superior to RE in every way and RE hasn't been good since 4. Western games don't sell in Japan though.

I'd argue after 4 save for Revelations, but I know what you mean.

 

[L Thammy]

All charts launch-aligned. All data from Famitsu.
Weekly numbers presented in logarithmic base 1,000 for clarity. In that case, zero units are represented by one unit.

Note, since this draws only from the top 30 it does not represent smaller titles.
e.g., software sales of zero are assumed if the console has no games in the top 30.

Tally of the number of titles for that platform in the top 30 for each week.
Certain weeks may have titles that aren't represented. These are the PS3's 7th and 25th, and the Wii's 4th and 23rd.

Feel free to criticize or point out mistakes.

 

[Myshkin]

I'd say it's likely that it's had more sub 6k weeks than Vita, but that's just a gut feeling.

I think they both have had 3 so far - gut feeling. Maybe the Wii-U will end up with 2 more in the following weeks.
[Media Create]

 

[Busaiku]

ps4 can't come soon enough. 3ds is the new psp, which was the new ds, which was the new ps2.

So what will PS4 be?

 

[Aquamarine]

I think they both have had 3 so far - gut feeling. Maybe the Wii-U will end up with 2 more in the following weeks.

Vita sub-6K weeks:

22	2012-05-07	5,849
23	2012-05-14	5,879
47	2012-10-29	5,368
48	2012-11-05	4,263

Wii U sub-6K weeks:

25	2013-05-20	5,536
26	2013-05-27	5,669
27	2013-06-03	4,549
28	2013-06-10	5,031
29	2013-06-17	4,236

 

[PerZona]

Glad to see The Last of Us doing well in the Japan weekly charts. Naughty Dogs totally deserve it.

 

[Mpl90]

So what will PS4 be?

The new Saturn

 

[Hex]

Wii U at risk of falling below the PSP, come the hell on Nintendo put something out there even if you just have to throw up-rendered collections for now until you can get the gates open. You have THE library to tap into, not even tapping into close partners.
USE it.

 

[AgentChris]

So what will PS4 be?

A PlayStation with a Kingdom Hearts game.