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Media Create Sales: Week 30, 2013 (Jul 22 - Jul 28)

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Law Abiding Stranger

Banned
michaelius said:
I'd be suprised if total population of hardcore gamers was bigger than a few milions beetween all platforms.

VLR or 999 are considered must have titles on many forums but games sold like 30k in Japan.

it's kinda like "whales" in F2P titles small population of people buying dozens of games per year vs milions who buy 1 or 2 or just use rentals.
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Exactly.
While I love all these games, people are treating upcoming Persona 5 as the end of all system seller that destroys the stars.

It will do okay numbers for an RPG thats not Final Fantasy/Pokemon but that's it.
 
Bruno MB

Bruno MB

Member
Chris1964 said:
As for this "Vita resurrection" that made it the ultimate system for publishers:

Vita sold 1,5 million software from January to June, 3DS sold 1 million in June.

And to put the other stupidity I read somewhere here before for Wii U / Vita software sales into rest

H1 2013 software: PSV > 2 x Wii U

I start to have serious doubts Wii U will sell more software than Vita this year.
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Wii U will need to have a really great December to sell more software than PS Vita this year.

Current gap is quite big, and this gap wasn't shortened in July, a month that was supposed to be big for Wii U (Pikmin 3, New Super Luigi U, Nintendo Land + Wiimote). Furthermore, these games don't seem to have typical Nintendo strong legs, Pikmin 3 will get to 250.000 and New Super Luigi U has probably eaten into New Super Mario Bros. U sales.

So far, there is only one game that will do good numbers which is The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD. And by good numbers I mean 200.000 - 300.000 units max. The rest with the exception of The Wonderful 101 will be lucky to sell a few thousand units each one. So we will already be in November and the gap will probably be as big as today or even bigger (I haven't checked the list of upcoming PS Vita releases).

Best case scenario for Wii U during late November and December would be Super Mario 3D World, Wii Fit U, Wii Party U, Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Game and Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze. Well, if all these games are released Wii U at least stands a legitimate chance to sell more software than PS Vita. So far only Super Mario 3D World, Wii Fit U and Wii Party U are slated for 2013.

By the way, each passing week, 3DS hardware 2012 > 2013 looks slightly more likely to happen unless Pokémon X / Y is way bigger than we think in terms of driving hardware.

It is true that 2013 also has Monster Hunter 4 and only a fool would underestimate such titans, especially a main Pokémon, but 3DS LL + Animal Crossing: New Leaf moved a lot of hardware too. And during all this year 3DS has been losing ground to 2012 3DS.
 
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MaschinenZimmer

Banned
If the 3DS already loosing momentum with such software, it makes you wonder how it will look in 2014. Maybe a new DQ for 3DS? But giving the state of SE I wouldn't be surprised if the next DQ would be on iOS.
 
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metalslimer

Member
The 3DS XL needed a price drop a while ago, but they aren't likely to do it until next year, but yes i do worry for what's on the horizon in terms of 3DS's future if nintendo moves over to wiiu. So far we have
3DS 2014
Zelda ALBW
Super Smash Bros
Yoshi's Island

But to be fair most of this year's lineup was announced this year
 
D

DaBoss

Member
metalslimer said:
The 3DS XL needed a price drop a while ago, but they aren't likely to do it until next year, but yes i do worry for what's on the horizon in terms of 3DS's future if nintendo moves over to wiiu. So far we have
3DS 2014
Zelda ALBW
Super Smash Bros
Yoshi's Island

But to be fair most of this year's lineup was announced this year
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It wouldn't be a smart move to do a price drop this year or earlier in the year. They should do one next year some time in Spring or early Summer. Two (3 SKUs) of the biggest games of the year are coming to the 3DS this year. They should let that craze pass and then do a price drop. That would just make them miss out on lots of revenue. They should do the same in the west.
 
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Glass Rebel

Member
I still feel a new "lite" model would be a better way to provide a cheaper alternative to the XL. A proce drop at this point of the year makes very little sense when you look at the upcoming releases.

As for 3DS in 2014, I've already voiced my concerns in previous MC threads. As far as their own franchises go, Nintendo will have fired most of the big guns already so unless they have something with great sales potential after Smash Bros. they'll have to revisit Mario or rely on third parties while they focus on "lesser" franchises.
 
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metalslimer

Member
DaBoss said:
It wouldn't be a smart move to do a price drop this year or earlier in the year. They should do one next year some time in Spring or early Summer. Two (3 SKUs) of the biggest games of the year are coming to the 3DS this year. They should let that craze pass and then do a price drop. That would just make them miss out on lots of revenue. They should do the same in the west.
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True, i didn't think it would be smart to do it now, only that the XL is a bit expensive and the system has been down all year. Next year when the lineup is sparse they can introduce whatever new model they are working on and pricedrop the XL. I do think the XL price in the west is vastly out of check with the market realities though
 
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Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
Next year will probably see titles like Kirby and Rhythm Tengoku(both million sellers in Japan). As well as a new model. Probably, a price cut too.

EDIT: If you want, I can search on GameFAQs the current 3DS lineup for the rest of the year.
 
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DaBoss

Member
metalslimer said:
True, i didn't think it would be smart to do it now, only that the XL is a bit expensive and the system has been down all year. Next year when the lineup is sparse they can introduce whatever new model they are working on and pricedrop the XL. I do think the XL price in the west is vastly out of check with the market realities though
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Yea, I definitely agree on that part about the west. I think $150 is the sweet spot (well I think that too because I bought my XL at that price too lol).
 
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Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
If you're interested, here's 3DS lineup for the rest of the year so far

August 1st

Disney Magic Castle: My Happy Life
DokiDoki! PreCure Narikiri Life!
Oshare na Koinu 3D

August 8th

Boku wa Koukuu Kanseikan: Airport Hero 3D - Naha Premium
Nekketsu Kouha Kunio-Kun SP: Rantou Kyousoukyoku
One Piece: Romance Dawn - Bouken no Yoake
Zyuden Sentai Kyoryuger: Game de Kaburincho!!

August 10th

Pokemon Tretta Lab for Nintendo 3DS

August 22nd

Conception II: Shichisei no Michibiki to Mazuru no Akumu
Nanami to Issho ni Gakubo! English Joutatsu no Kotsu

August 29th

Sherlock Holmes: Puzzle City
Starry * Sky: In Autumn 3D

September 14th

Monster Hunter 4

September 19th

Jewel Master
Mushi Bugyou
Nobunaga no Yabou
Nobunaga no Yabou / San Goku Shi Twin Pack
San Goku Shi

September 26th

Danball Senki Wars
Disney Epic Mickey: Mickey no Fushigi na Bouken
Fate/Kaleid Liner: Prisma * Illya
Gardening Mama: Mama to Mori no Nakama Tachi
Makai Ouji: Devils and Realist - Dairiou no Hihou
Starry * Sky: In Winter 3D
Tetsudou Nippon! Rosen Tabi: Nagaragawa Tetsudou Hen

October 3rd

SPEC: Ten

October 12th

Pokémon X/Y

October 17th

Sentouchu: Densetsu no Shinobi no Survival Battle!

October 24th

Sonic: Lost World

October 31st

Daisenryaku: Dai Toua Kouboushi - Dainijisekaitaisen Boppatsu - Suujiku Sentai Rengougun Zensekaisen

November 7th

Exstetra
Metal Max 4: Gekkou no Diva
Tamagotchi! Session no Dream School

November 21st

Aikatsu! 2-nin no My Princess
One Piece: Unlimited World Red

November 28th

Hatsune Miku: Project Mirai 2
High School DxD

December 19th

Hero Bank

Mind you: this list is incomplete (some Nintendo titles not dated, IEGo3 not dated, etc.etc.)

EDIT: As said by Bruno, no one should underestimate the MH-Pokémon combo. NO ONE. Serious question: how many times such huge franchises came out in the span of a month, and when the console isn't old yet (they're coming two years and 7/8 months after 3DS released in Japan)? Do we have anything comparable?
 
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Kid Ying

Member
Bruno MB said:
Current gap is quite big, and this gap wasn't shortened in July, a month that was supposed to be big for Wii U (Pikmin 3, New Super Luigi U, Nintendo Land + Wiimote). Furthermore, these games don't seem to have typical Nintendo strong legs, Pikmin 3 will get to 250.000 and New Super Luigi U has probably eaten into New Super Mario Bros. U sales.
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Disagree with the last bit. Till now, we don't have any indication that is happening. Mario was selling a couple k's every week and still is doing that, so, i don't think people is buying Luigy over Mario. I don't even think people are buying Luigy that much, lol.

But yeah for the rest. I don't believe Wiiu software will pass Vita's one, unless holidays turn out to be great for it.

But for 3DS, i believe it will pass last year.

EDIT: I misread that bit about Luigy. Thought that you said people were buying Luigy over Mario. Sorry.
 
L

Law Abiding Stranger

Banned
Pokemon and MH4 will no doubt make a killing in terms of software but I wonder if they will push hardware that much.

Are people waiting just for those games to pick up 3DS in Japan?
 
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metalslimer

Member
Mpl90 said:
Next year will probably see titles like Kirby and Rhythm Tengoku(both million sellers in Japan). As well as a new model. Probably, a price cut too.

EDIT: If you want, I can search on GameFAQs the current 3DS lineup for the rest of the year.
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Unless they've been too busy with Kirby Wiiu. Although with the 2d platformer overload on Wiiu, the 3DS would be better suited for a new game.

No one should underestimate Pokemon and MH but the Nov and Dec lineup does look a little sparse.
Pokemon and MH4 will no doubt make a killing in terms of software but I wonder if they will push hardware that much.

Are people waiting just for those games to pick up 3DS in Japan?
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Probably a large number of MH fans have not bought the system especially with all the Vita and psp hunting games. I actually think it could push more hardware than pokemon whose audience heavily overlaps with other nintendo games.

I do think people may be overestimating the bump these two games will give. It will certainly be large though.
 
N

Nirolak

Mrgrgr
I'd like to submit Capcom's expose this morning as an example of what I expect out of Square Enix in the future.
 
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rahmz

Neo Member
Damn, Pikmin 3 has pretty much lost its momentum. Even if the Wii U does flop, worse than gamecube, at least it will have a few gems.

btw, which group keeps track of the sales in NA?
 
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Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
DaBoss said:
Thanks.

Super Mario 3D Land & Mario Kart 7. It happens quite often I would assume.
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You're partially right, that was another big combo. But I was more talking about two titles with 4-million sales potential. Mario Kart is a 3-3.5 millions title, while 3D Mario aren't (even if 3D Land shocked everyone with its sales :D ).

@metalslimer: Right now, November and December do look a little sparse, true. I can guess IEGo3 will be released in December, like the last two, and that Mario Party will be released during that period. The last MP released on a portable console was...let's just say massive. And this time, there's no competition from a MP title coming to the home platform.

About Kirby...it's first a portable franchise, I suppose. And so far, 3DS only had 3D Classics Kirby's Adventure, while DS, in the same timeframe, had both Canvas Curse and Squeak Squad. I can't think Kirby isn't coming to 3DS in 2014, it seems obvious. Rhythm Heaven is more of a guess than a certainty, but also something quite plausible.
 
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metalslimer

Member
Nirolak said:
I'd like to submit Capcom's expose this morning as an example of what I expect out of Square Enix in the future.
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Yep I expect MH and DQ to be the really decent sized games coming from these companies to handhelds. This is why i think a hybrid console for nintendo is a very dangerous ploy if dedicated handheld support continues to dry up.

btw, which group keeps track of the sales in NA?
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If you mean the tracker its npd. If you mean a database like we have for japan there is none.
 
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DaBoss

Member
I would guess that many MH fans didn't want to get MH3U since it was an enhanced port of the Wii MH game with the new content from MHP3rd (which I would assume almost all of them played, dat 4.7 million sales) and some more.

And MH4 would be a new game so they would want to jump on the 3DS for a new game with more than just an enhanced port.

rahmz said:
btw, which group keeps track of the sales in NA?
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NPD.
 
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MasterSheen

Member
Pokemon Tretta Lab releases 8/10? Same day Pokemon XY preorders open, will give it some decent exposure.

3DS will have some serious momentum between September and October, but I wonder if that will be enough to close the gap between this and last YTD. There doesn't seem to be any big seller after that though. Perhaps I should wait until the release schedule is completed, maybe some games will surprise us.
 
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hiska-kun

Member
Monster Hunter 4 is a september release, Pokemon XY a October release.
Mario Party probably is released on november, and Puzzle & Dragons Z on Christmas. That's one million seller game every month.

But I don't think Mario will sell hardware anymore on 3DS.
 
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fredrancour

Member
hiska-kun said:
Monster Hunter 4 is a september release, Pokemon XY a October release.
Mario Party probably is released on november, and Puzzle & Dragons Z on Christmas. That's one million seller game every month.

But I don't think Mario will sell hardware anymore on 3DS.
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A new 2D mario that isn't NSMB branded might have a shot. Take the amount of love and creativity pumped into galaxy and give it to a 2d game. Though that would sell any hardware so if it occurred to them to make that it would probably be on the wiiu.
 
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Sammy Samusu

Member
hiska-kun said:
Monster Hunter 4 is a september release, Pokemon XY a October release.
Mario Party probably is released on november, and Puzzle & Dragons Z on Christmas. That's one million seller game every month.

But I don't think Mario will sell hardware anymore on 3DS.
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You expect P&D to sell a million copies? D:

I mean it's possible, but there's not much going on right now in terms of pre-order, advertisement, etc.
 
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hiska-kun

Member
Sammy Samusu said:
You expect P&D to sell a million copies? D:

I mean it's possible, but there's not much going on right now in terms of pre-order, advertisement, etc.
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I was looking for the link, but I was beaten.

GungHo thinks so. That's why I'm going to believe in them and think that more than one million is possible, too.

Also, I remember when the game was announced that Sinobi and another blog I can't remember now (I think GamesMaya), were pretty excited for the announcement, and couldn't wait for the release of the game.

I know we don't have much information yet, probably in Tokyo Game Show we'll know more. But I think the game has potencial, specially if they try to use the streetpass capacities.
 
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Glass Rebel

Member
I keep forgetting how big Kirby is. Tht's a safe bet for 3DS in 2014 but I wonder how well a hypothetical Rhythm Heaven would do.

Having DQXI for next year would be amazing for Nintendo but I think it's way too early. If they have any sense they better start courting third parties.
 
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Busaiku

Member
3DS's November isn't bad at all.
One Piece Unlimited World definitely has the possibility of being a 300k+ seller, when Unlimited Cruise SP got to 275k.

Project Mirai also did 150k.
 
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metalslimer

Member
Busaiku said:
3DS's November isn't bad at all.
One Piece Unlimited World definitely has the possibility of being a 300k+ seller, when Unlimited Cruise SP got to 275k.

Project Mirai also did 150k.
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You're right one piece, project mirai, and puzzles and dragons is a decent lineup assuming they all perform to expectations

And on the bright side 3DS pretty much owns the rest of this year. The lineups for everything else is mediocre at best

There's still time for more announcements for 2013 games.
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Also true. I forget sometimes how fast the announcement to release can be although im not exactly sure if there will be any more 200k+ sellers for the year. What's the PS3 lineup looking like? Gran Turismo, Tales 2013(?), and Lightning Returns? Not an amazing lineup, but impressive for the 8th holiday. It's funny how 10 years ago GT, FF, and Tales would have been huge.
 
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Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
metalslimer said:
Also true. I forget sometimes how fast the announcement to release can be although im not exactly sure if there will be any more 200k+ sellers for the year. What's the PS3 lineup looking like? Gran Turismo, Tales 2013(?), and Lightning Returns? Not an amazing lineup, but impressive for the 8th holiday. It's funny how 10 years ago GT, FF, and Tales would have been huge.
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To be honest, FF is the third title in a specifc series, and Tales of is just the Symphonia Collection. it's obvious they're not as huge as "main" FF and Tales titles. GT is the only one that was massive in the past and now it's "just" big.
 
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metalslimer

Member
Mpl90 said:
To be honest, FF is the third title in a specifc series, and Tales of is just the Symphonia Collection. it's obvious they're not as huge as "main" FF and Tales titles. GT is the only one that was massive in the past and now it's "just" big.
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To be fair X-2 was a massive hit, LR's incoming underperformance seems much more tied to mismanagement rather than being a sequel
 
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Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
Busaiku said:
3DS's November isn't bad at all.
One Piece Unlimited World definitely has the possibility of being a 300k+ seller, when Unlimited Cruise SP got to 275k.

Project Mirai also did 150k.
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The new One Piece for 3DS could be big and Project Mirai hasn't stopped selling, it keeps increasing its LTD.
 
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Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
metalslimer said:
To be fair X-2 was a massive hit, LR's incoming underperformance seems much more tied to mismanagement rather than being a sequel
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That's true too, and that's why I talked about "third FF title in a specific series" :p
 
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