There were way, way more blatantly obvious reviews of the sort I mentioned before. They were removed by Amazon. There was a group of people on 2ch organizing this - it was happening. I personally don't even like Monster Hunter and I wouldn't be surprised if the port has plenty of issues either. I'm just relaying what I was shown and told by Segata, who asked me to let you guys know. I don't appreciate you acting like I made it up or was making excuses for the poor ratings. I really, really could not care less about the game.onken said:
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Media Create Sales: Week 33, 2011 (Aug 15 - Aug 21)
- Thread starter Chris1964
- Start date
FINALFANTASYDOG
Member
Skimmed through this week's famitsu at the book store, some interesting sales data on 3ds game before and after the price cut:
One peice -> 2818 -> 2430 -> 11304
Nintendogs -> 4259 -> 3567 -> 15449
Zelda 8253 -> 3896 -> 24079
Pretty much what Chris said, not seeing any sale outs in my area(Besides black rock premium edition) , at the same time not seeing any price cuts, online most retailers are reporting excellent sales for MHP3HD
One peice -> 2818 -> 2430 -> 11304
Nintendogs -> 4259 -> 3567 -> 15449
Zelda 8253 -> 3896 -> 24079
Mpl90 said:
Pretty much what Chris said, not seeing any sale outs in my area(Besides black rock premium edition) , at the same time not seeing any price cuts, online most retailers are reporting excellent sales for MHP3HD
Another gaming survey from 4Gamer. Much bigger participation this time, 14000.
http://www.4gamer.net/games/000/G000000/20110826043/
http://www.4gamer.net/games/000/G000000/20110826043/
Dash Kappei said:
I was wondering how in the world you could be so wrong, then checked Media Create, and that matches that "> 100K difference by year's end" thing. However using Media Create doesn't work with your "LTD" comment. MC has SM64DS still ahead of Wario in LTD. Think you may have gotten them mixed up there.
Famitsu had them dead even at the end of 2005 with Wario Ware a few units ahead, and Wario stayed ahead from there on out. Main point was that having Mario wasn't some kind of trump card for sales, when even Wario Ware can sell as much or more.
Dash Kappei said:
That's fine. Not sure myself about it, but I still like seeing the numbers. Raw total software is more meaningful to me than tie ratios, though, as similar tie ratios doesn't mean much when the total hardware is so far behind.
thestopsign
Member
I think the point trying to be made is that having Mario is better than not having Mario at launch of a handheld Nintendo system.
Chris1964 said:
Just reading through it. Average participant is 28 years old. 95% are male. 85% are single. They note it's not exactly representative of the "general public."
As far as systems go ...
68% own a PSP compared to 58% with a DS
55% own a PS3, 38% a Wii, 31% a 360
Definitely not matching general purchase trends. :lol
57% plan to purchase a PSVita. Next highest is 24% planning to buy a PS3.
69% purchase games through Amazon.
thestopsign said:
Well, yeah. Just pointing out that Mario doesn't automatically equal blockbuster. 3DS is the first one without a launch Mario game, though, if you exclude GBC. Super Mario Land (or did it come out later in Japan?), Super Mario Advance, Super Mario 64 DS.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
No, SML was a launch game. For different Nintendo handhelds and their first Mario platformers:donny2112 said:
Game Boy: 04/21/89
Super Mario Land: 04/21/89
Game Boy Color: 10/21/98
Super Mario Bros. Deluxe: 03/01/01
Game Boy Advance: 03/21/01
Super Mario Advance: 03/21/01
Nintendo DS: 12/02/04
Super Mario 64 DS: 12/02/04
Nintendo DSi: 11/01/08
n/a
Nintendo 3DS: 02/26/11
Super Mario 3D Land: 11/XX/11
Siince FFDOG found the numbers we have the rise for all 3DS games that made Famitsu top 30 except Layton
Famitsu Sales: Week 33, 2011 (Aug 08 - Aug 14)
02./00. [3DS] Pokemon Rumble Blast <ACT> (Pokemon Co.) {2011.08.11} (¥4.800) - 91.613 / NEW
08./00. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.06.16} (¥4.800) - 24.079 / 320.026 (+518%)
11./00. [3DS] Nintendogs + Cats: French Bulldog / Shiba / Toy Poodle & New Friends <ETC> (Nintendo) {2011.02.26} (¥4.800) - 15.449 / 287.424 (+333%)
17./00. [3DS] One Piece: Unlimited Cruise SP <ADV> (Bandai Namco) {2011.05.26} (¥6.090) - 11.304 / 147.986 (+365%)
22./00. [3DS] Star Fox 64 3D <STG> (Nintendo) {2011.07.14} (¥4.800) - 7.251 / 62.397 (+108%)
25./00. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracle <ADV> (Level 5) {2011.02.26} (¥5.980) - 6.389 / 318.167
Famitsu Sales: Week 33, 2011 (Aug 08 - Aug 14)
02./00. [3DS] Pokemon Rumble Blast <ACT> (Pokemon Co.) {2011.08.11} (¥4.800) - 91.613 / NEW
08./00. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.06.16} (¥4.800) - 24.079 / 320.026 (+518%)
11./00. [3DS] Nintendogs + Cats: French Bulldog / Shiba / Toy Poodle & New Friends <ETC> (Nintendo) {2011.02.26} (¥4.800) - 15.449 / 287.424 (+333%)
17./00. [3DS] One Piece: Unlimited Cruise SP <ADV> (Bandai Namco) {2011.05.26} (¥6.090) - 11.304 / 147.986 (+365%)
22./00. [3DS] Star Fox 64 3D <STG> (Nintendo) {2011.07.14} (¥4.800) - 7.251 / 62.397 (+108%)
25./00. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracle <ADV> (Level 5) {2011.02.26} (¥5.980) - 6.389 / 318.167
onken
Member
Aeana said:
Oh they were removed how convenient. Even if it was true, a handful of forum drama does not a accurate cultural picture paint. I've lived in Japan now for a long time and Korea is more popular than ever, it's quite frankly a load of shit that there's some wide-spread foreigner hate going on here, just a vocal minority as you will find in any country.
Also If Segata wants to post something then I suggest he does it himself and you stop passing on second-hand forum drama from some self-banned drama queen.
walking fiend
Member
edit: Thx Donny and Chris!Chris1964 said:
FINALFANTASYDOG
Member
onken said:
This is the reason the vocal minority is taking action now.
I don't think Aenea ever claimed anything about wide-spread Korean hate. It's the truth though(especially if you look at 2ch aggregate blogs) that there is a small group of fanatics taking harassment action against companies that are promoting Korean products(if you want me to go dig out links to tons of other amazon products related to Korea and their amazon reviews I can get them). Just this past week the 4000+ people protesting in front of Fuji TV etc...
walking fiend
Member
%31 of the voters own a 360; 360 already outsold by 3DS.Erethian said:
thx Chris. And dang!
Of course the figures can't be extrapolated for the whole market. It's something like gaf voting. But they show the trend among a kind of gamers.Erethian said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29841152&postcount=111
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29847061&postcount=114
walking fiend
Member
I believe even gaf voting won't be this disproportional compared to the whole market. SMG was voted GotY and II was voted 3rd. DS game threads seems to be much more popular than PSP ones.Chris1964 said:
FINALFANTASYDOG
Member
onken said:
again, I don't think it's fair to blame Aenea here.
The problem is 2ch aggregate blogs, they tend to enjoy distorting things to generate hype/hits. If you only read them it would be to easy to believe Japan wants all traces of Korea removed from the country.
We see this all the time in fun cases when these sites take up headlines like GAME/system COMPLETE TOTAL SALES BOMB! When it's one single store doing a special loss leader promotion. They are the source of quite a many false rumors that spread to the English internet land(Japanese users have learned to to take them with a grain of salt)
Chris1964 said:
Thought so, just wanted to check I wasn't missing something. Month is generally abbreviated to "mo." in English.
http://www.aresearchguide.com/monthdayabb.html
electroplankton
Banned
donny2112 said:Which was outsold by Wario Ware: Touched! and wasn't even the first million-seller on the system. Just having a Mario game, even a true Mario game, at launch doesn't necessarily make things a lot better.
So DS had two potential million seller at launch, ahah!
Mario is an important IP to begin with, no doubts, better than Steel Diver and Pilotwings for sure. Maybe Nintendo thought Nintendogs would have been as good as Mario in commercial terms... But Mario can approach a wider audience and it seems a sort of tradition to have a Nintendo system witha Mario on it; it would have helped a bit in my opinion.
electroplankton said:
Well this Mario tradition isn't the rule anymore. The GC involved Luigi, then GBA and DS had Mario (but there were remakes), and Wii did very well without Mario (but had Link in the other hand).
The Nintendogs for 3DS situation is a little, not akward, but I can't explain it myself:
Nintendogs is mostly casual. I think what's explainable, is that it will be a long-seller, if it comes out earlier in the system lifespan, that's a good thing for a long-seller.
What I don't understand from Nintendo, is that the 3DS price point and the only fact this is a new system doesn't make things for the casual market. What's the point to have a game for it, instead of a more universal appealing game like Mario?
And I think this is another problem the 3DS had this year. Many casual gamers, or just many people that are not hardcore gamers used to buy new systems, judged the system like it was already the DS back in 2006 (the DS Lite with its 2 years library).
But the 3DS isn't this system, it's new, expansive, and its library only have 6 months, not 18 or 24.
Sorry for the off-topic, the japanese sales are awesome
electroplankton
Banned
Jackano said:
Actually, also many video games news, website and journalists thought like this.
3DS is growing and at the end of the year it will be fairly good, with almost all genres covered by at least one good title and important IP, first and third party.
Yeah, that's completely useless. Obvious Sony tilt. I bet the last one hit a similar audience.donny2112 said:Just reading through it. Average participant is 28 years old. 95% are male. 85% are single. They note it's not exactly representative of the "general public."
As far as systems go ...
68% own a PSP compared to 58% with a DS
55% own a PS3, 38% a Wii, 31% a 360
Definitely not matching general purchase trends. :lol
57% plan to purchase a PSVita. Next highest is 24% planning to buy a PS3.
69% purchase games through Amazon.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Hmm. This goes into the early days of sales data, but is two the record? Wii also had two in Wii Sports and Wii Play. Looking at some older lists of million sellers I don't think NES/SNES/GB had multiple, but I don't recognize all of their launch games. I thought GB had two, but it looks like Tetris was a few months after launch in Japan.electroplankton said:
electroplankton
Banned
JoshuaJSlone said:
And 3DS? Just Nintendogs+Cats, but its sales behaviour is slower than WarioWare or Wii Sports.
FINALFANTASYDOG
Member
JoshuaJSlone said:
Famicom's launch line-up was pathetic (donkey kong, donkey kong jr, Popeye)
But you extend it to 2 months and you have 2 games over 1.5mil: Mario Brothers and Mahjong
I wasn't going to respond to this, since it seems like you've already made up your mind about me (you seem to think I don't understand Japanese, have never lived in Japan, have no perspective on racism in Japan, etc., which are all wrong, but it doesn't matter), but I wanted to clear one thing up. The only reason I mentioned Segata in the post is to make it clear that I'm not some MH fan trying to make excuses for the poor ratings. I think the real reason you're upset is because I didn't post sources for my information and in turn made the situation look worse than it actually is. So apologies for that, even if it wasn't my intent to stir anything up.onken said:
Chris1964 said:
But then we might not be having a 10,000 Yen/$80 price drop or 20 free VC games on the system. 3DS might have limped well enough along to delay an initial price drop to the point that Vita took too much of the market. (Or the price drop may not do much else and Vita may still take the market due to late arriving system sellers.) Postulating is fun.
I agree that LTD would've been better before 3 weeks ago with a Mario game at launch, but the overall lifespan of the 3DS may be better now that Nintendo had to massively reset the price on the system to get it into more hands before their traditional system sellers come out.
Better case would've been a more reasonable launch price (e.g. 18K/20K Yen or $200) and more "big" first-party games at launch. Another good side effect of the 3DS price fiasco is that Wii U may not make the same mistakes now. All in all, the way things have turned out for 3DS thus far may actually have been better for the system and Nintendo as a whole for the long-term.
donny2112 said:But then we might not be having a 10,000 Yen/$80 price drop or 20 free VC games on the system. 3DS might have limped well enough along to delay an initial price drop to the point that Vita took too much of the market. (Or the price drop may not do much else and Vita may still take the market due to late arriving system sellers.) Postulating is fun.
I agree that LTD would've been better before 3 weeks ago with a Mario game at launch, but the overall lifespan of the 3DS may be better now that Nintendo had to massively reset the price on the system to get it into more hands before their traditional system sellers come out.
Better case would've been a more reasonable launch price (e.g. 18K/20K Yen or $200) and more "big" first-party games at launch. Another good side effect of the 3DS price fiasco is that Wii U may not make the same mistakes now. All in all, the way things have turned out for 3DS thus far may actually have been better for the system and Nintendo as a whole for the long-term.
I agree: like Wii has inherited all the experiences done after the initial DS little numbers, Wii U can have a brighter future than what would have happened if 3DS had a solid post launch performance.
Ah... that love seems monstrous!
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Great sales for Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2, I was one of the rare people who enjoyed the game and from what they revealed the second one improves in many levels.
It would be nice to see NIS America release it, but I am not counting on it. The fact that we got the first game was a miracle in and of itself.
It would be nice to see NIS America release it, but I am not counting on it. The fact that we got the first game was a miracle in and of itself.
hosannainexcelsis
Member
Hcoregamer00 said:
Except:
Siliconera said:
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Oh snap, if that is true you made my day
I was going to import it, but I can wait a couple of months for a potential USA announcement.
I was going to import it, but I can wait a couple of months for a potential USA announcement.
According to inside-games.jp the new version of Wii which is currently announced only for Europe will cost less than £80, meaning which is something close to ¥10000 yen. The source given is anonymous person from MCV.
http://www.inside-games.jp/article/2011/08/29/51179.html
inside-games is a serious site by the way.
http://www.inside-games.jp/article/2011/08/29/51179.html
inside-games is a serious site by the way.
"Vinnk's Village" report for August 29th, 2011
1. Wow, I go away for a year and everything goes crazy. (Wii tanks, PSP remains, 3DS.. who knows?)
2. The 3DS is not supply constrained at any store in my town (though I only went to 3 this week)
3. My students are finally starting to talk about the 3DS more than the DS. If you are 9 years old it is no longer cool to be seen with your DS LL. 3DS is now the new hotness.
3.5. Unless you are 13, then you better have a PSP.
4. I am seeing more and more adults on the train playing games on their iPads. I have seen Chaos RIngs being played once. Monster Hunter Dynamic Slash a few time and "Cut The Rope" several time.
5. The bargain bin of one of the stores in my town has had 3 copies of Captain Rainbow for about 2 years now. Today I decided to buy them before the covers get all sun damaged. They deserve better than that. So add 3 copies of Captain Rainbow to whatever number you had on file.
Missed you guys.
1. Wow, I go away for a year and everything goes crazy. (Wii tanks, PSP remains, 3DS.. who knows?)
2. The 3DS is not supply constrained at any store in my town (though I only went to 3 this week)
3. My students are finally starting to talk about the 3DS more than the DS. If you are 9 years old it is no longer cool to be seen with your DS LL. 3DS is now the new hotness.
3.5. Unless you are 13, then you better have a PSP.
4. I am seeing more and more adults on the train playing games on their iPads. I have seen Chaos RIngs being played once. Monster Hunter Dynamic Slash a few time and "Cut The Rope" several time.
5. The bargain bin of one of the stores in my town has had 3 copies of Captain Rainbow for about 2 years now. Today I decided to buy them before the covers get all sun damaged. They deserve better than that. So add 3 copies of Captain Rainbow to whatever number you had on file.
Missed you guys.