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Media Create Sales: Week 34, 2014 (Aug 18 - Aug 24)

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Sammy Samusu

Member
Hyrule Warriors or Dragon Quest Heroes, which one will sell more worldwide? (assuming DQH will get an overseas release)

Comgnet Launch Points Comparison:

PSV - Toukiden (343pt) - 122.794
PSP - Toukiden (213pt) - 66.016

PSV - Toukiden G (210pt)
PSP - Toukiden G (46pt)

Should have been a PSV/3/4 release.
 
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Sandfox

Member
Sammy Samusu said:
Hyrule Warriors or Dragon Quest Heroes, which one will sell more worldwide? (assuming DQH will get an overseas release)

Comgnet Launch Points Comparison:

PSV - Toukiden (343pt) - 122.794
PSP - Toukiden (213pt) - 66.016

PSV - Toukiden G (210pt)
PSP - Toukiden G (46pt)

Should have been a PSV/3/4 release.
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I'm not expecting a western release for DQ, but it will probably outsell HW WW in Japan only.
 
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leatherhat

Member
Sammy Samusu said:
Hyrule Warriors or Dragon Quest Heroes, which one will sell more worldwide? (assuming DQH will get an overseas release)

Comgnet Launch Points Comparison:

PSV - Toukiden (343pt) - 122.794
PSP - Toukiden (213pt) - 66.016

PSV - Toukiden G (210pt)
PSP - Toukiden G (46pt)

Should have been a PSV/3/4 release.
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I'd go with DQ, even if it doesn't leave Japan. I don't see a Dynasty warriors style game doing well in the west, Zelda or no Zelda.
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
I can't really see Hyrule Warriors doing much better than like 200K-300K in either NA or EU unless it really overperforms on the back of the Zelda brand.

I wouldn't be shocked if it does quite a bit lower than that either.

Dragon Quest Heroes I'm assuming will cross a million in Japan or at least get quite close.
 
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Busaiku

Member
leatherhat said:
So "major" games for ps4 for the rest of the year

Destiny
Evil Within
CoD
Guilty Gear
Maybe God Eater2?
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I wouldn't even call Guilty Gear "major".
Fighting games, for the most part, have declined since PS2.
BlazBlue's more popular at arcades, but the best selling game did under 100k.
The fact that it's split between a more popular system with free online will also hurt the PS4 game a lot.
Nirolak said:
Dragon Quest Heroes I'm assuming will cross a million in Japan or at least get quite close.
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This is really optimistic.
One Piece is a much bigger franchise than Dragon Quest, and not even Pirate Warriors hit a million.
 
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sörine

Banned
Mpl90 said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=884846

...Eh, wondering when and what are going to be these titles. I mean, so far we have

Monter Hunter 4G: camera control
Final Fantasy Explorers: the same...I think
SSB for Nintendo 3DS: C-stick Smash
Xenoblade: only for New 3DS

Right now, it doesn't seem there are titles with improved graphics on New 3DS, except for Xenoblade, obviously. And maybe MH4G, but it's unconfirmed.

I'm quite curious to see what titles third parties are bringing (at least) to the "enhanced" table, not expecting that much on the "New 3DS only" table.
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Dragon Quest X also uses it for camera control.
 
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Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
PREDICTION LEAGUE SEPTEMBER 2014

Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Sep 1 to Sep 28):

[XBO] Hardware (25 days) - 85,302
[XBO] Dead Rising 3 (25 days) - 29,045
[3DS] Dragon Quest X (25 days) - 121,100
[PS4+PS3] Destiny (18 days) - 154,980
[3DS] Super Smash Bros. for 3DS (16 days) - 1,330,561
[WIU] Bayonetta 2 (9 days) - 107,853
[PSV+PS3] Sen no Kiseki II (4 days) - 135,978
[PSV] Danganronpa Another Episode (4 days) - 62,709
[WIU] Fatal Frame V (2 days) - 26,000
 
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Sandfox

Member
It'll be interesting to see if DQH can top One Piece Musou since both brands are obviously extremely popular in Japan.
 
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Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
sörine;128042270 said:
Dragon Quest X also uses it for camera control.
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You're right, thanks.

So, this is the current situation

Monter Hunter 4G: camera control
Final Fantasy Explorers: the same...I think
Dragon Quest X: camera control
SSB for Nintendo 3DS: C-stick Smash
Xenoblade: only for New 3DS

Other candidates among the known lineup to get better controls / visuals on n3DS?

IMHO, Samurai Warriors Chronicles 3 will be another of those "enhanced" titles, but I'm quite oblivious to what else is there, among the announced titles.

This is another reason why I'm really interested to see how many new titles with New 3DS in mind are in development from third parties.
 
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Hero of Legend

Member
vinnygambini said:
Wonder if Nintendo is going to have a dedicated Wii U Nintendo Direct soonl? I mean, we have Fatal Frame V and Bayonetta 2 coming up in September, would be crazy not to promote it in the slightest and maybe some new announcements too in the wake of TGS :)
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I sure hope so. It's interesting as their E3 Wii U lot has not had much JP presence at all. However, 3DS got barely any attention at E3 so...
 
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Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
Despite being a cross-gen release, Dragon Quest Heroes is certainly the biggest upcoming title for PS4 right now. It'll probably be released just a few months after One Piece: Pirate Warriors 3 too, which should help in getting a bit more Musou fans on board (certainly better than the "efforts" so far), as well as after BloodBorne, which should help in getting a bit more...people at all on board (certainly better than what happened so far).
 
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Nightengale

Member
Principate said:
True though One piece barely had a game franchise hence why it was largely untapped potential. We'll see how DQ Hero's does.
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Untrue, One Piece games have existed for a long time now. But it's like pre-Arkham Batman, there hasn't been one that was legit from the fan's perspective.

Well, Pirate Warriors was the closest, but still not there.
 
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Hero of Legend

Member
Mpl90 said:
Despite being a cross-gen release, Dragon Quest Heroes is certainly the biggest upcoming title for PS4 right now. It'll probably be released just a few months after One Piece: Pirate Warriors 3 too, which should help in getting a bit more Musou fans on board (certainly better than the "efforts" so far), as well as after BloodBorne, which should help in getting a bit more...people at all on board (certainly better than what happened so far).
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DQX was supposed to be big for Wii U, look how that turned out.
 
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sörine

Banned
Mpl90 said:
You're right, thanks.

So, this is the current situation

Monter Hunter 4G: camera control
Final Fantasy Explorers: the same...I think
Dragon Quest X: camera control
SSB for Nintendo 3DS: C-stick Smash
Xenoblade: only for New 3DS

Other candidates among the known lineup to get better controls / visuals on n3DS?

IMHO, Samurai Warriors Chronicles 3 will be another of those "enhanced" titles, but I'm quite oblivious to what else is there, among the announced titles.

This is another reason why I'm really interested to see how many new titles with New 3DS in mind are in development from third parties.
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SWC3 is good candidate. SWC2 used the Circle Pad Pro too.

Xenoblade 3D is a 2015 which makes me wonder if we won't see 3DS games taking advantage of the added horsepower until then?
 
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Psycho_Mantis

Banned
Hero of Legend said:
DQX was supposed to be big for Wii U, look how that turned out.
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No one thought that.

Nirolak said:
I can't really see Hyrule Warriors doing much better than like 200K-300K in either NA or EU unless it really overperforms on the back of the Zelda brand.

I wouldn't be shocked if it does quite a bit lower than that either.

Dragon Quest Heroes I'm assuming will cross a million in Japan or at least get quite close.
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Yeah I'm expect a million. Perhaps I'm over estimating the allure of the DQ side to such a game but we'll see.
 
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Busaiku

Member
Dragon Quest Heroes isn't a traditional Dragon Quest though.
As a "video game franchise" wouldn't really apply here, since it's not the main franchise.
In this sense, it's the same as any other licensed property, and One Piece is much bigger.

Other non-RPG Dragon Quest games aren't that insanely big.
Prior to DS (well PS2/GBA), even the RPG spinoffs weren't million sellers.
 
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sörine

Banned
Busaiku said:
Dragon Quest Heroes isn't a traditional Dragon Quest though.
As a "video game franchise" wouldn't really apply here, since it's not the main franchise.
In this sense, it's the same as any other licensed property, and One Piece is much bigger.

Other non-RPG Dragon Quest games aren't that insanely big.
Prior to DS (well PS2/GBA), even the RPG spinoffs weren't million sellers.
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The GBC DQM games were million sellers! I don't think any of the PS2 or GBA spinoffs were though?

Regarding DQH I'm not sure if it'll hit 1m or not. I think sales around OPM1 are a safe bet at least.
 
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Busaiku

Member
Yeah, I dunno anything that's not on Garaph.
Even the Dragon Quest Monsters games on 3DS aren't doing 1 million.
I cannot see Dragon Quest Heroes getting anywhere near that.

Even sales around Pirate Warriors might be optimistic.
 
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Ty4on

Member
PREDICTION LEAGUE SEPTEMBER 2014

Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Sep 1 to Sep 28):

[XBO] Hardware (25 days) - 45k
[XBO] Dead Rising 3 (25 days) - 30k
[3DS] Dragon Quest X (25 days) - 50k
[PS4+PS3] Destiny (18 days) - 100k
[3DS] Super Smash Bros. for 3DS (16 days) - 1100k
[WIU] Bayonetta 2 (9 days) - 40k
[PSV+PS3] Sen no Kiseki II (4 days) - 140k
[PSV] Danganronpa Another Episode (4 days) - 50k
[WIU] Fatal Frame V (2 days) - 20k
​
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Busaiku said:
This is really optimistic.
One Piece is a much bigger franchise than Dragon Quest, and not even Pirate Warriors hit a million.
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Sorry, I'm probably too unspecific there.

By "or close" my thought process is basically 800K-1+ million when you combine the SKUs, since I feel with DQ's brand cachet among gamers and the current success of Musou there's a good potential for matching One Piece.

I could easily be too optimistic, though things like Dragon Quest Swords at about 500K helps feed into my optimism.
 
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schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
Nirolak said:
Dragon Quest Heroes I'm assuming will cross a million in Japan or at least get quite close.
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Hmm. Definitely possible- huge IP and what should be a genre friendly to the userbase.

Depends on when it comes out though- gotta get that userbase up...

EDIT- completely forgot it was PS3 too. Nevermind
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
schuelma said:
Hmm. Definitely possible- huge IP and what should be a genre friendly to the userbase.

Depends on when it comes out though- gotta get that userbase up...

EDIT- completely forgot it was PS3 too. Nevermind
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Yeah if this was PS4 only I'd be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more pessimistic.
 
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Thunder Monkey

Banned
We're looking at handheld gaming seeing market contraction of around 60% gen on gen in Japan... and some seriously think a home console is going to keep pace with its predecessor?

Sorry guys. No dedicated home console is going to sell over 5 million units this gen. The current most likely is WiiU and I honestly don't see it getting past 3.5 million.
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Looking through what's announced so far, the publishers who strike me as notably absent so far are Level 5 and Capcom.

Pretty much everyone else has about the expected level of output.

There are a few who are like 1-2 games short, but nothing unreasonable especially given that there's still a fair amount of time.

Level 5 on the other hand is at zero and Capcom is at one game, one downloadable enhanced port, and one reboot of a mobile title.

Capcom sticks out more since they don't have giant projects we know about sitting on the distance like say Square Enix or Konami.
 
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Psycho_Mantis

Banned
Nirolak said:
Looking through what's announced so far, the publishers who strike me as notably absent so far are Level 5 and Capcom.

Pretty much everyone else has about the expected level of output.

There are a few who are like 1-2 games short, but nothing unreasonable especially given that there's still a fair amount of time.

Level 5 on the other hand is at zero and Capcom is at one game, one downloadable enhanced port, and one reboot of a mobile title.

Capcom sticks out more since they don't have giant projects we know about sitting on the distance like say Square Enix or Konami.
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Deep Down seems like a big investment for them and I'm sure they have a fighter in dev.

The real answer to this problem lies with Itsuno's team......we must know what they are doing.
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Psycho_Mantis said:
Deep Down seems like a big investment for them and I'm sure they have a fighter in dev.

The real answer to this problem lies with Itsuno's team......we must know what they are doing.
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Deep Down being a big investment would actually surprise me a lot.

For example all of the dungeon design is randomized and it only seems to have plot that fleetingly takes place in your two floor house (which also is the only town?) that primarily exists for you to buy microtransaction stuff for.

There don't seem to be a huge number of tilesets either and they've shown a decent but not huge variety of monsters.

I'd guess it's moderately sized (maybe 40-60), though it's not impossible it's a huge team.
 
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Sandfox

Member
Nirolak said:
Looking through what's announced so far, the publishers who strike me as notably absent so far are Level 5 and Capcom.

Pretty much everyone else has about the expected level of output.

There are a few who are like 1-2 games short, but nothing unreasonable especially given that there's still a fair amount of time.

Level 5 on the other hand is at zero and Capcom is at one game, one downloadable enhanced port, and one reboot of a mobile title.

Capcom sticks out more since they don't have giant projects we know about sitting on the distance like say Square Enix or Konami.
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Level 5 is too busy counting the money they make off of kids and Capcom will probably announce RE7 and SF5 next year or something.
Psycho_Mantis said:
Deep Down seems like a big investment for them and I'm sure they have a fighter in dev.

The real answer to this problem lies with Itsuno's team......we must know what they are doing.
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He better be working on CvS3 lol.
 
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BlowoverKing

Banned
PREDICTION LEAGUE SEPTEMBER 2014

Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Sep 1 to Sep 28):

[XBO] Hardware (25 days) - 49k
[XBO] Dead Rising 3 (25 days) - 27k
[3DS] Dragon Quest X (25 days) - 63k
[PS4+PS3] Destiny (18 days) - 136k
[3DS] Super Smash Bros. for 3DS 16 days) - 1445k
[WIU] Bayonetta 2 (9 days) - 47k
[PSV+PS3] Sen no Kiseki II (4 days) - 159k
[PSV] Danganronpa Another Episode (4 days) - 68k
[WIU] Fatal Frame V (2 days) - 26k
 
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Busaiku

Member
The Warriors games are also in decline across the board.
These titles went from the high days of PS2, settling to about the 400k/500k (the bigger licensed properties) in the middle of last gen (with Pirate Warriors being an outlier), and now doing less than 300k/400k (only One Piece).

The only thing going Dragon Quest Heroes would be Playstation fans, that ignored the plethora of Dragon Quest games/Warriors games, hungry for any Dragon Quest game.
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Sandfox said:
Level 5 is too busy counting the money they make off of kids and Capcom will probably announce RE7 and SF5 next year or something.
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Well I agree that obviously RE7 and SF5 are coming, but even from the perspective of "Hey here are quite a few mobile games." they're pretty silent.

Similarly Level 5 obviously doesn't /need/ to announce anything right now, but historically they show off a number of things around this time and we have a pretty good view of their future whereas at this point we have 1-2 assumed sequels upcoming and a bunch of projects where it's not clear they're even still alive.
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Busaiku said:
The Warriors games are also in decline across the board.
These titles went from the high days of PS2, settling to about the 400k/500k (the bigger licensed properties) in the middle of last gen (with Pirate Warriors being the outlier), and now doing less than 300k/400k (only One Piece).

The only thing going Dragon Quest Heroes would be Playstation fans, that ignored the plethora of Dragon Quest games/Warriors games, hungry for any Dragon Quest game.
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I guess I tend to see Musou games as one-off huge successes when they hit big IP fanbases that get really excited to buy in on the first game and then steadily decline afterwards when a lot of the people buying them realize they don't like Musou even in this setting.

If they make Dragon Quest Heroes 2 my expectations for that would be quite a bit lower than the first game.
 
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Sandfox

Member
Nirolak said:
Well I agree that obviously RE7 and SF5 are coming, but even from the perspective of "Hey here are quite a few mobile games." they're pretty silent.

Similarly Level 5 obviously doesn't /need/ to announce anything right now, but historically they show off a number of things around this time and we have a pretty good view of their future whereas at this point we have 1-2 assumed sequels upcoming and a bunch of projects where it's not clear they're even still alive.
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Capcom probably cares more about getting quality mobile games out than they do about putting out new console stuff at this point.

Level 5 released a pretty large amount of titles in 2013 and YW blowing up affected things going forward as well. In 2013 I thought they were starting the transition to mobile only, but now I'm not sure what they're going to do.
 
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sörine

Banned
Busaiku said:
Yeah, I dunno anything that's not on Garaph.
Even the Dragon Quest Monsters games on 3DS aren't doing 1 million.
I cannot see Dragon Quest Heroes getting anywhere near that.

Even sales around Pirate Warriors might be optimistic.
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Keep in mind the 3DS DQM games are just remakes. Joker 3 will show if they can still hit a million or not.

Previous DQ spinoff sales from Famitsu:

PlayStation
Torneko no Daiboken 2 - 578,227
Dragon Quest Monsters I+II - 294,758

Game Boy Color
Dragon Quest Monsters - 1,911,107
Dragon Quest Monsters 2 Iru - 1,253,386
Dragon Quest Monsters 2 Ruka - 480,797

PlayStation 2
Torneko no Daiboken 3 - 513,796
Itadaki Street Special - 380,482
Shonen Yangus - 301,755

Game Boy Advance
Dragon Quest Monsters Caravan Heart - 593,812
Slime Morimori - 346,299
Torneko no Daiboken 2 Advance - 181,024
Torneko no Daiboken 3 Advance - 116,948

PSP
Itadaki Street Portable - 110,823

Nintendo DS
Dragon Quest Monsters Joker - 1,467,179
Dragon Quest Monsters Joker 2 - 1,284,618
Dragon Quest Monsters Joker 2 Pro - 541,020
Itadaki Street DS - 424,948
Slime Morimori 2 - 293,970

Wii
Dragon Quest Swords - 489,112
Dragon Quest Monster Battle Road Victory - 339,199
Itadaki Street Wii - 199,092

Nintendo 3DS
Dragon Quest Monsters 3D - 919,166
Dragon Quest Monsters 2 3D - 739,032
Slime Morimori 3 - 108,286
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Sandfox said:
Capcom probably cares more about getting quality mobile games out than they do about putting out new console stuff at this point.

Level 5 released a pretty large amount of titles in 2013 and YW blowing up affected things going forward as well. In 2013 I thought they were starting the transition to mobile only, but now I'm not sure what they're going to do.
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Yes, but that's what I mean. Capcom isn't even announcing mobile titles.

That said thinking back they did wait until TGS itself for quite a few of those.

As for Level 5 I feel they generally pre-plan releasing 500 new games in their kids IP so that doesn't seem like something that would eat a lot of unexpected staff unless the company has shrunk recently.

They could be waiting until things are further along these days, but relative to their historical behavior they're quite quiet.

Kagari said:
Any idea on how the Xbone is going to perform this week?
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The shipment is about 35-40K supposedly, so likely less than that.
 
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