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Media Create Sales: Week 35, 2013 (Aug 26 - Sep 01)

ascii42

Member
The only game that could be difficult to map is Tearaway. With Gravity Rush they could use R1 for changing Gravity, R2 for returning it to normal, L1 for throwing stuff instead of O, L2 for sliding and O for evading.

Uncharted can work easily like the homeconsole games. Killzone Mercenary can have a short QTE (1 or 2 buttons) when stabbing. Wipeout only have touch controls for menus. I haven't played LBP, but there are two games in homeconsoles. It sure can be patched. And so on.
The only problem I see with Uncharted are the parts where you have to clean an object or scratch a rubbing or whatever, but they could be done.

LBP Vita has some unique features beyond the PS3 versions. There are blocks in the levels that can be pushed in and out of the level using the front and back touch screens. I don't see a way of translating that without compromising the gameplay.
 
Comgnet comparisons, as of September 10th

[PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd - 2347pt
[PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G - 2561pt
[Wii] Monster Hunter 3 - 349pt (Black CCPro) + 259pt + 259pt (White CCPro) = 867pt
[PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 3rd - 4809pt
[3DS] Monster Hunter 3G - 900pt + 291pt (Circle Pad Pro) = 1191pt
[3DS] Monster Hunter 4 - 3495pt

[NDS] Pokémon Diamond/Pearl - 569pt + 429pt = 998pt
[NDS] Pokémon HeartGold/SoulSilver - 631pt + 538pt = 1169pt
[NDS] Pokémon Black/White - 1077pt + 922pt = 1999pt
[NDS] Pokémon Black 2/White 2 - 632pt + 543pt = 1175pt
[3DS] Pokémon X/Y - 618pt + 615pt = 1233pt

Interesting to see X/Y have more points than Diamond/Pearl...not sure if a comparison to Black/White makes as much sense since the Pokemon audience on DS became saturated by that point.

MH4, well it'll be big, no doubt. Just not MHP3rd big.

How did Monster Hunter portable 3rd get so big?
It was just continual growth for the franchise on PSP, with each release doing better than the last. MHP3rd was like a cumulative effect of all that.
 

enishi

Member
Interesting to see X/Y have more points than Diamond/Pearl...not sure if a comparison to Black/White makes as much sense since the Pokemon audience on DS became saturated by that point.

MH4, well it'll be big, no doubt. Just not MHP3rd big.

Also need to consider the download card has been selling for 2 weeks already.

And Capcom cannot put enough stock (it is now over 7000 yen in Amazon)
 

Tizoc

Member
JoJo's sales are very nice even if drop 99%. 425k first week, that's huge for a fighting game in Japan these days.

JoJo was slated for a 500K shipment in Japan, seeing that majority of it already sold out in the first week, it's only logical for it's next week sales to be less unless they managed to restock within a week.
 
I expect MH4 to do less than Portable 3rd but better than Portable 2nd G too.

Portable 2nd G sold 4.2m units so far apparently. Portable 3rd sold 4.7m.

So maybe 4.3-4.5m LTD.
 
I was thinking that Phantasy Star Nova was the biggest title PS Vita could realistically get.

Phantasy Star Portable was the second best-selling non Monster Hunter or Square Enix AAA title. It was only outsold by Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker. God Eater 2 is a multiplatform release, Square Enix no longer develops big budget portable games and there is no need to say anything about the totally irrelevant Konami.

In the future, the only game with the same sales potential will be God Eater 3 since it will likely be released exclusively on PS Vita.

5 best-selling non Monster Hunter or Square Enix PSP games:

1. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker (Konami) {2010.04.29} - 446.133 / 791.761
2. Phantasy Star Portable (SEGA) {2008.07.31} - 329.455 / 636.973
3. God Eater (Bandai Namco) {2010.02.04} - 276.104 / 617.828
4. Phantasy Star Portable 2 (SEGA) {2009.12.03} - 284.883 / 590.527
5. God Eater Burst (Bandai Namco) {2010.10.28} - 267.178 / 458.490

Do you know the PSP's estimated install base at those times?

To me Phantasy Star along with the microconsole basically represents Sony managing to do about all they feasibly could for Vita owners at this point.

The device isn't going to looked back on as some stirring success, but it should be able to live out at least a near-normal life cycle given it has content through at least the end of 2014, and thus the momentum created by that should support it through 2015 or 2016 in Japan, albeit at a rather low baseline.

To me, the main question is where they go from here. When we were sitting halfway through the PS3 generated, the obvious answer was "Well our core idea seems to be working, but we need to get costs way down for both consumers and ourselves, and make out platform way more developer friendly."

For the Vita, I don't think there's an obvious next step. I do see a couple of possibilities, but don't know which they would choose:

Option 1.) Try to convert what they can of the Vita supports into PS4 supporters and cede whoever doesn't come over to other platforms.
Option 2.) Make the microconsole the flagship device for their next "handheld platform" and then sell a "portable version" of it in Japan and maybe at specialty retail in the West.
Option 3.) Make the microconsole with portable version, but base it directly on Android so they can get all the content being made for Android phones/tablets/microconsoles along with content specifically targeting their device. They might somehow be able to work in a sandbox mode where developers can call lower level PlayStation APIs to get more juice out of the system if they need it for exclusives or to ease development for games that are ported across the PlayStation ecosystem. However, it would use regular Android mode for most things.

I'm excluding "continue on as is" since I honestly don't think that's a remotely logical idea given how this generation went, though I guess it's not entirely impossible if they're crazy.

I don't think option 3 is feasible due to how easy it is to hack android and Sony is probably hesitant to use anything that's easy to hack due to the PSP infamous piracy problems.
 

Tenki

Member
Do you know the PSP's estimated install base at those times?

At the launch week:

1. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker (Konami) {2010.04.29} - 14,614,541
2. Phantasy Star Portable (SEGA) {2008.07.31} - 10,053,655
3. God Eater (Bandai Namco) {2010.02.04} - 14,113,926
4. Phantasy Star Portable 2 (SEGA) {2009.12.03} - 13,338,965
5. God Eater Burst (Bandai Namco) {2010.10.28} - 15,452,395
 

test_account

XP-39C²
Are Vita sales expected to slow down until the revision hits, now?
I think it can easily go both ways. Either people are waiting because they want those new colors and want longer battery life, or people are buying the old models because they want the OLED screen (although it is still not clear exactly how big of a difference there are in the screen quality compared to the new Vita model i think). There is no price difference, so the price isnt much of a factor. Hard to say how the Vita TV will affect the sales as well.
 

Hellraider

Member
Will Pokémon beat MonHun4 in sales?

I remember the sales fight between Portable 3rd and Black/White.The mainline Monster Hunter almost (in relative terms, of course) outsold the mainline Pokemon game.

Maybe MH4 will be the one to finally do it!Right guys?
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
I remember the sales fight between Portable 3rd and Black/White.The mainline Monster Hunter almost (in relative terms, of course) outsold the mainline Pokemon game.

Maybe MH4 will be the one to finally do it!Right guys?

That almost is almost one million in sales
 
Will Pokémon beat MonHun4 in sales?

Yes, I am pretty positive it will, that is if we count X and Y skus as a single game, anyway I think Monster hunter 4 will do fine and will soon become the third - Animal crossing is already bordering 4 million mark and I reckon it is quite hard to catch up with it - best selling game so far on 3DS.
 

Tizoc

Member
You have created a scenario in your mind very far from reality.

There were 100k unsold copies after first week and price collapsed almost immediately.

Hmm well I may have misworded what I intended to post: Basically what I wanted to say is that after the 1st week of JoJo's release, however many copies were sold would obviously be far less than the first week.
 

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
So, I suppose we know part of SE's 2014 3DS offering

- Dragon Quest Monsters 2
- Theatrhythm Final Fantasy: Curtain Call

I'm including DQM2 since it's without a date and it has been announced earlier than Bravely Default: For the Sequel, which (instead) comes out in just a few months.
 
I think it can easily go both ways. Either people are waiting because they want those new colors and want longer battery life, or people are buying the old models because they want the OLED screen (although it is still not clear exactly how big of a difference there are in the screen quality compared to the new Vita model i think). There is no price difference, so the price isnt much of a factor. Hard to say how the Vita TV will affect the sales as well.

No serious software releases until end of September

Also a lot of special editions were annouced for preorder so some sales will be postponed for later.

I'd expect sales to stay <10k
 

Hellraider

Member
Yes, I am pretty confident it will, that is if we count X and Y skus as a single game, anyway I think Monster hunter 4 will do fine and will soon become the third - Animal crossing is already bordering 4 million mark and I reckon it is quite hard to catch up with it - best selling game so far on 3DS.

Which reminds me, which game is the biggest third party game that has ever existed on a Nintendo console?Is it Dragon Quest 9 or am I forgetting something older?An older Dragon Quest, maybe?
 

Frodo

Member
So, guys! Knowing now (for sure) that the PS4 won't launch this year in Japan, how do you think the Wii U is going to perform during the Holidays?
 

Elfteiroh

Member
Which reminds me, which game is the biggest third party game that has ever existed on a Nintendo console?Is it Dragon Quest 9 or am I forgetting something older?An older Dragon Quest, maybe?

Just Dance? Best selling third party on Wii...
don't hurt me please xD
 

Foshy

Member
So, guys! Knowing now (for sure) that the PS4 won't launch this year in Japan, how do you think the Wii U is going to perform during the Holidays?
Might beat the PS3 during december weeks, won't reach Vita though.

Just Dance? Best selling third party on Wii...
don't hurt me please xD
He's just talking about Japan, I assume. Worldwide though, you're right.
 
Are Vita sales expected to slow down until the revision hits, now?
Given where Vita sales are atm, I would hope not.

DQ III is 6m+ if you counted all the combined sales of the NES, SNES and GB versions.
Yeah but I don't think it's quite fair to do that.

Yes, I am pretty positive it will, that is if we count X and Y skus as a single game, anyway I think Monster hunter 4 will do fine and will soon become the third - Animal crossing is already bordering 4 million mark and I reckon it is quite hard to catch up with it - best selling game so far on 3DS.

Why wouldn't you? It has always been done that way. And AC: NL passed 4 million a good while ago, iirc.
 
At the launch week:

1. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker (Konami) {2010.04.29} - 14,614,541
2. Phantasy Star Portable (SEGA) {2008.07.31} - 10,053,655
3. God Eater (Bandai Namco) {2010.02.04} - 14,113,926
4. Phantasy Star Portable 2 (SEGA) {2009.12.03} - 13,338,965
5. God Eater Burst (Bandai Namco) {2010.10.28} - 15,452,395

Even if vitatv is a success, vita's userbase will be nowhere near any of that when GE2 or PSN launches. Will be interesting to see if the Phantasy Star's fanbase will buy the game (and system) regardless, and if the game will sell over 500K or if the numbers will decline. GE2 is still on PSP and its userbase so I won't try to over analyze that. I think combined numbers will go over 500K for that, hopefully with the vita version selling greater than the PSP version.
 

BadWolf

Member
I think it can easily go both ways. Either people are waiting because they want those new colors and want longer battery life, or people are buying the old models because they want the OLED screen (although it is still not clear exactly how big of a difference there are in the screen quality compared to the new Vita model i think). There is no price difference, so the price isnt much of a factor. Hard to say how the Vita TV will affect the sales as well.

Might be a nice way to gauge how much people care about the OLED.

I know its popular around here but I don't think its a big deal to the general public.
 
So, guys! Knowing now (for sure) that the PS4 won't launch this year in Japan, how do you think the Wii U is going to perform during the Holidays?

It all depend on well or bad Wii Fit U and Wii Party U will perform.

3D Mario is a big card too but not as big as those two titles.
 

Kid Ying

Member
Might beat the PS3 during december weeks, won't reach Vita though.
I think it's a lock that will beat the PS3, since it's a console that has been on a downward trend the last holidays. Every holiday has been worse than the last one. It's an old console after all. WiiU with Mario will beat that, specially considering that Nintendo consoles always had huge bumps on holidays. On software, unless Wiifit or Party turn to be a huge hit, PS3 will kill it.

On the Vita i don't know. It's software list for december is a little weak at this moment. I think more stuff will be announced and we will get a better picture.
 
It all depend on well or bad Wii Fit U and Wii Party U will perform.

3D Mario is a big card too but not as big as those two titles.

I agree. Wii Fit U and Wii Party U (and to a lesser extent Sonic and Mario) will show if Nintendo has the ability to cater to the casual crowd or if that crowd has moved on and is never going to come back (which seems to be the consensus in this forums)
 

Mario007

Member
Might be a nice way to gauge how much people care about the OLED.

I know its popular around here but I don't think its a big deal to the general public.
Given how many people buy the 3DS I really doubt people will care much for the OLED. Also we don't even know what sort of a display is the new Vita model equiped with. I think they mentioned JDI but there are a few different divisions within JDI. The ones Sony's using for their Xperia Z1 are meant to be impressive, whereas the displays they used from JDI for Xperia Z were not as great.
 

Madouu

Member
So has Animal crossing: new leaf officially passed 4m mark already?

This is just from my memory so don't quote me on this but I believe we had a figure a long while ago from Nintendo that it has sold 400k digitally. If we add that to the famitsu numbers which includes download cards then it would have passed 4M.

This is mixing up numbers from different sources though which I'm not very fond of.
 

Kid Ying

Member
I agree. Wii Fit U and Wii Party U (and to a lesser extent Sonic and Mario) will show if Nintendo has the ability to cater to the casual crowd or if that crowd has moved on and is never going to come back (which seems to be the consensus in this forums)
Sonic in japan means nothing. If its new game sell like w101 it will be in line with his former games.
 

Taker666

Member
It all depend on well or bad Wii Fit U and Wii Party U will perform.

3D Mario is a big card too but not as big as those two titles.

Wii Party wasn't a massive hit on Wii (and that was after Wii Sports and Wii fit had already established a casual audience).....so I don't expect Wii Party U to do well at all. I'm expecting 50k at lauch at best..and not much above 100k after a few months.

Wii Party U is terribly timed for the platform.They'd have been far better off rejigging it into Mario Party U..rather than pushing a Mario Party 3DS this year.

I'm not convinced Wii fit U will do much either. They needed a much bigger new gimmick than the fit meter.

I think 3D Mario will be their biggest card of the three in Japan this year.
 
Sonic in japan means nothing. If its new game sell like w101 it will be in line with his former games.

sonic and mario did pretty well in the past though

the first one did 600k, 2nd and 3rd one did 200kish
Wii Party wasn't a massive hit on Wii (and that was after Wii Sports and Wii fit had already established a casual audience).....so I don't expect Wii Party U to do well at all. I'm expecting 50k at lauch at best..and not much above 100k after a few months.

Wii Party U is terribly timed for the platform.They'd have been far better off rejigging it into Mario Party U..rather than pushing a Mario Party 3DS this year.

I'm not convinced Wii fit U will do much either. They needed a much bigger new gimmick than the fit meter.

I think 3D Mario will be their biggest card of the three in Japan this year.
Wii Party sold 10 million ww and 2,3 million in japan alone. if that is not a big hit what really is?

Mario Party 8 and 9 both sold less than Wii Party
 
Wii Party wasn't a massive hit on Wii (and that was after Wii Sports and Wii fit had already established a casual audience).....so I don't expect Wii Party U to do well at all. I'm expecting 50k at lauch at best..and not much above 100k after a few months.
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It sold 2.5m units, Mario Galaxy in comparision sold only 1m in Japan.

Wii Fit sold 3.5m in Japan too.
 
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