We're just getting new entries in established franchises on the same devices(for the most part) and licensed games. We see new IPs occasionally but they don't really do too well most of the time.
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Media Create Sales: Week 39, 2013 (Sep 23 - Sep 29)
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We're just getting new entries in established franchises on the same devices(for the most part) and licensed games. We see new IPs occasionally but they don't really do too well most of the time.
Are we talking about 3rd parties in general or specifically about a platform? We know that Toukiden, P4G, and other games have done decently considering the install base in Japan for the Vita at the moment. Also, Bamco sold gangbusters with Tales of Xilia and One Piece Musou and both of those were PS3 exclusive.
Then explain why Vita is getting these ports and 3DS isn't? PS3/Vita multiplats work and seem relatively simple to do. 3DS on the other hand doesn't appear to port as well off the top of my head with the exception of MH3U ane some other Capcom game that was untranslatable due to the way they handled the text or something. Look at something like Wonder Flick that's on everything but 3DS.sörine;85203265 said:
How easy Vita seems to be to port to (and 3DS's lack of) is my guess as to why Vita is getting more support (well at least of mid to low tier games) compared to 3DS. I'm not saying my reasoning is correct, just that it's the only plausible explanation I have given the dominance of the 3DS
walking fiend
Member
You may single out 2 games that sold decently, but compare it to the last gen were we had several of those in each genre; overall, the 3rd party efforts in Japan are really really bad. Maybe that's one of the reasons western games are selling better and better.
I really doubt P4G could sell, say 1m, if it was on 3DS or PS3; that's not an issue of installed. If anything, it could sell even sell on those systems cause it had to compete with other games.
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
fighting games are awful on portable consoles.
fighting games will always be a home console experience.
you and yr friend sitting in front of the tv for a couple hours.. etc etc.
this data is no surprise.
Explain what, Vita doesn't seem to be getting many fighter ports? Namco, Capcom and ASW seem like they're done with both 3DS and Vita for fighters. I doubt Tecmo bothers again either while Sega and SNK never bothered in the first place.
At this point anime licenses and Smash Bros are all that's left.
Those specific games have done well for themselves but they really shouldn't be the ceiling. That's the issue with Vita software sales. To put it into perspective Resident Evil Revelations(considered a somewhat disappointing result), Kingdom Hearts DDD(a big bomb) and Bravely Default(a low-to-midbudget overpeformer) have sold more than any Vita title.
Similarily it is what we saw with PS3; most individual games do okay for themselves but the ceiling is a lot lower.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Mess at Tekken outselling all Vita fighting games. That game bombed horribly. :lol
Namco should try Soul Calibur on the 3DS. I think it would sell well.
Here:
Bravely Default
Attack Of The Titan
Theruhdsf Final Fantasy
Layton
Toriko
Youkai Watch
Magi
Kuroko
All these games were announced in the past few months and are exclusive to the 3DS, with potential to sell more than 100k each (Magi and Kuroko probably won't).
Sammy Samusu
Member
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Re: decline of fighting games in Japan:
Including legs and the apparently untracked budget rerelease it's probably over 500k by now, and the expansion is releasing on PS3 next year.
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27 PS3 Mobile Suit Gundam: Extreme Vs. Namco Bandai Games 2011-12-01 5348 3,926 465,976Including legs and the apparently untracked budget rerelease it's probably over 500k by now, and the expansion is releasing on PS3 next year.
Oh, we're talking about awesome ideas that probably won't happen?
Monster Rancher 3DS. Collects StreetPass data from other games and makes monsters out of them.
How many licensed (as in, anime game, video game crossover, etc) fighting games have sold better than all of the original fighting game series (Street Fighter, Tekken, BlazBlue, etc) this gen? I'm pretty sure Persona Arena did, Smash did, JoJo did, etc.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I was speaking more in terms of its status as the Most Popular Arcade Game in Japan. If you want to try to drive the narrative that fighting games are declining in Japan (which, framed as arcade games in general, they seem to be), it seems disingenious to exclude the most popular one.
Although EXVS isn't exactly a traditional fighting game, so we might just be in the midst of a red ocean/disruptive technology shift in the genre
The Abominable Snowman
Member
nah...couldnt be.
Dragon Quest 1-8 coming to smartphones: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=693373
Square2015
Member
Nice jobAbout fighting games, I made this last month. It was a hard work, so it could have some mistakes.
Home console fighting games since late 95 in Japan:
I didn't include anime/manga/Smash Bros. games.
Virtual Fighter 2 sold 1.7m (VF was huge for Sega back then)
You could include Street Fighter:
Hyper fighting 2.9m (92)
Turbo 1.9m (93)
Super 1.5m (94)
IIRC
Glass Rebel
Member
What will die first, Square-Enix or Media-Create threads due to all games going mobile?
illmatic19
Member
So, is Pokemon going to beat MH4 first week sales?
shinra-bansho
Member
Dragon Quest XI is totally coming to mobile [too].
1.) I wonder if DQ7's smartphone version is the 3DS game.
2.) Given 1-8 and 10 are on smartphones, I wonder if DQ9 is getting a smartphone remake to take advantage of the multiplayer aspects, and is thus not part of the porting announcements.
Yeah, I feel that's what this was hinting at: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=619136
2.) Given 1-8 and 10 are on smartphones, I wonder if DQ9 is getting a smartphone remake to take advantage of the multiplayer aspects, and is thus not part of the porting announcements.
Yeah, I feel that's what this was hinting at: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=619136
Polygon said:
Legendary thread incoming, here's a teaser:
see the shots...
/tinfoil hat on/
this was a 3DS game at first!!! mobile game would be in landscape mode!
Aquamarine
Member
This is definitely the way for Square Enix to firmly establish the series on mobile phones.
I think it's less about the company trying to make a profit from these specific releases and more trying to build franchise momentum for a Dragon Quest XI smartphone presence.
A decision like this would be central to Square Enix's obsession with alternative business models so they can supplant perceived declines in traditional packaged retail.
BishopLamont
Banned
Of all games, DQXI would be the safest game to release on 3DS and do big numbers, I really doubt they would exclude the 3DS, if we go by their words that exclusivity is not an option.
ok I missed the [too] on shinra's post.
It makes more sense for SE to first sell their 4 million copies on 3DS and then port it later on. I know everyone and their mom is hyperventilating, but at the end these DQ titles are all ports of older backlog titles. They`ll be a great way to gauge the interest and the potential money income though - right now i expect DQ 11 to be developed for 3DS, but a companion Smartphone App or Spin-Off is expected at this point.
DQ games (especially ports of older games) have always been on mobiles, so i dont quite why its a big deal. They are doing it for FF and they would be stupid not to have their content as possible on the biggest system right now. This doesnt necessarily mean that every upcoming DQ title will be an F2P Smartphone title or being released for every system under the sun.
DQ games (especially ports of older games) have always been on mobiles, so i dont quite why its a big deal. They are doing it for FF and they would be stupid not to have their content as possible on the biggest system right now. This doesnt necessarily mean that every upcoming DQ title will be an F2P Smartphone title or being released for every system under the sun.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Its a good move by SE as it will make them quick money. There just ports.
What is your evidence for this conjecture?
AdventureRacing
Member
The mobile market is still growing rather quickly, i don't think it's some bubble about to burst.
Magicpaint
Member
Yep. They're going straight for the port, not even a remake first like they usually do. They're basically sending a strong message that DQ's future home is on smartphones.
Also, I expect the VII to be based on the 3DS version. And IV-VI to be based on the DS versions. What I'm now kinda curious about is the pricing.
I don't think it's a bubble about to burst, but this rampant growth can't continue indefinitely either. The next few years will be interesting.
I agree.
I can see it being on 3DS first and then be ported on Mobile. But I could be wrong, of course.
michaelius
Banned
Pricing should be similar to FF remakes on iOS/android so around 15 euros
And as far as mobile market - it might be growing but app discovery is becoming huge problem so i expect it to follow Zynga scenario where advertising to get new customer will end up more expensive than what he pays for game.
Well, since Pokémon X and Y is now the most pre-ordered 3DS game in Japan, so I think it's pretty much guaranteed it'll beat MH4 sales for the first week.
Developing for mobile is cheap, there is a completely new audience (much bigger than ever) and they can port/remake their old series. How is this not sustainable?
Example: Most of the people here hate the new remake of FFV for iOS (calling it an overpriced bad-looking port), now go to the iTunes store and look at the rating: 4.5/5 stars. Read some of the reviews and it will make things even more clear.
The mobile market won't burst, but it will stabilize at some point, and we will see what works and what doesn't work on the platform. EA stated that they are not chasing the mobile market because their IPs won't work there, on the other hand genres like JRPGs fit extremely well, so it should be not a surprise to see S-E investing on it.
I think it will start with small developers and then impact large publishers. This was on Gaf a few weeks ago:
There are many more stories of devs making next to no money on iOS and Android unless they get featured. Those are obviously indie developers who have trouble getting their small games to stand out, which doesn't directly apply to Square and Dragon Quest. But I would argue that if we get a large decrease in interest and support from small devs who make their games available for very cheap, seeing them go back to PC and games consoles (more likely handhelds in Japan), then the loss of those quality cheap games will only leave the big expensive games and the crappy cash-ins on the market, and, at that point, why game on your phone if you have to pay $15 to enjoy something kinda good?
While not Japan related (yet), Square Enix is now competing with Kickstarter: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=693760
Quoting myself from the other thread.
smart idea... kickstarter has a good money making model
Don't give them any ideas
I'm not very familiar with Compile Heart, so I was wonder how does this compare to their previous works and if this was a good number to them
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/10/08/fairy-fencer-f-isnt-even-yet-already-moved-100000-copies/
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/10/08/fairy-fencer-f-isnt-even-yet-already-moved-100000-copies/