Little Green Yoda
Member
Ah, thanks for the reply. Though I thought even handheld game output in Japan has slowed since last gen due to rising costs? Or is that a misconception? Never really followed the Japanese market last gen.
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Media Create Sales: Week 47, 2012 (Nov 19 - Nov 25)
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Starting to wish Capcom was the publisher for Layton vs. Wright, when they actually promote there's definitely more awareness about their games coming out and the AA series is one they push in Japan. Level 5 has too many games coming out right now and didn't put enough behind getting the release date of this game out there.
Bruno MB
Member
I only found this:
[NDS] Gyakuten Saiban 4 (Capcom) - 160,000 / limited version sold out
[NDS] Gyakuten Kenji (Capcom) - SE 118,000 (50%) / PE 1,500 (20%)
I usually have one or two that I'm really close on, and then majorly blow one up like that. RE6 was that way last month, I think. AC sold 600K in first three weeks on DS, but then the game went on to sell 5m. Gotta think it was going to start out heavier this time around.
Thanks, Road!
Well, that makes me sad. Thanks for the info you continually provide for us.
And thanks to Road for compiling those prediction results. I am horrible at it haha.
Canis lupus
Member
E.X. Troopers <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.11.22} (¥6.990) - 8.717 / NEW
I guess we can forget about western localization.
I guess we can forget about western localization.
But why?!
grimshawish
Banned
Tbf, how much did they ship?
Not commenting on the game itself, but everything is going to get run over by the Animal Crossing tank. Whose paying attention to a new Level 5 spin off when they're talking about AC?
slaughterking
Member
People that are worth a damn.
Oh God.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Watch how Capcom/Whomever takes those sales as an excuse to cancel the localisation of the game.
thestopsign
Member
A few things, both series tend to have good legs and probably will sell pretty decently on the weekend. Taking into account previous shipment numbers, that could still be something like 80-90k first day. Still not as strong as I would have wanted, but could end up with 150k FW which is not horrible, just disappointing.
I'm actually disturbed how Level-5 have fallen from gaf's wet dream to laughing stock in such as short period of time.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I haven't played VLR, but as I understand it, VLR's state-space is basically defined as a tree. So if you enumerate every branch, then you can represent "have I gone down this path before" with a bit, the full enumeration will take n-bits, the index number for the state you're currently on would take log(2)n bits. There's no name entry or anything like that IIRC. You can calculate endings received based on previous path data. I guess if there's a save-anywhere you'd also need a dialogue pointer to locate yourself within the given scene, and maybe a few bytes for inventory contents to take into account that you can save during a puzzle sequence. Add, say, 32 bit-flags for sub-scene level event progress...
I have absolutely no idea how save files get as big as they do. :/
It hasn't been announced for English relese.
The new Squaresoft Level-5 is not.
I'm actually disturbed how Level-5 have fallen from gaf's wet dream to laughing stock in such as short period of time.
Their problem is that they are a medium company who thinks as a BIG company, they ship too much copies while their games is not as mainstream as they wish, their publishing strategies should be like Atlus, but they do as Square or Nintendo would, which has damaged their image as publishers. For their job as game makers I still think they are one of the few which makes good games, in my opinion the only companies which deliver good games nowadays are Nintendo, L-5 and Atlus.
walking fiend
Member
People think 20% is bad for the title? I think it'll outsell it's shipment by the end of the year.
walking fiend
Member
How is it disappointing when we don't know how much they shipped?
Impeccable
Member
Shipped 55 million, so it did okay!
walking fiend
Member
What?
michaelius
Banned
[PSV] Atelier Totori Plus: The Alchemist of Arland 2 - 60%
[PSV] Fate/Stay Night -Realta Nua- - 50%
So both are in 20-25k range ?
[PSV] Fate/Stay Night -Realta Nua- - 50%
So both are in 20-25k range ?
And yet Tsutaya is reporting PLvsAA to be 2nd so far. So there are 3 possibilities:
1. Most of the copies are bought from Tsutaya
2. There really is a huge ass initial shipment that makes 20% seem like an actually bigger number.
3. The sales are steadily growing through the week.
Layton games tend to have very solid legs, so it all depends on how it will perform during the incoming weeks, imho.
Well, somehow, I realize I am absolutely clueless. It's the first time I can't even begin to think of an argument to feed a conversation in a gaming discussion. They were good in the DS heydays and they are now facing bombas after bombas. Ni no Kuni unexpectedly sold subpar, Time Travellers bombed, that other game bombed and now this? What happenned that turned the consumers off?20% seems really freaking low. Is Layton just not that popular anymore? Or is Ace Attorney here? ...Probably just Level 5, right?
Yeah, the calender is favourable but it doesn't explain the mismatch between Day 1 demand and the shipments. The danger in such situation is that used copies will progressively make the new copies unattractive.
Isn't it true that the first 3ds layton game underperformed compared to previous entries despite being one of very few good launch games? I don't have the numbers and I'm on my phone. But if so, this could be a continuation of a worrying trend for Lvl 5.
Well, yes considering that there were that many more people with a DS than a 3DS. I would love to see Japanese a launch title that sold 500k+, I really would.
I'm guessing more like 60k for Atelier.
The comment I responded to specifically mentioned Layton games having legs. That's a great sign of popularity but a decline with a high profile launch title that, iirc, didn't have great legs would be a bad sign for future Layton games including Layton vs. Phoenix. Could be that Layton just isn't as popular as it was before or that the 3ds lacks the casual base that the ds had.
michaelius
Banned
I'm pretty sure someone reported 42k shipment for it so rather no
.And also PSP atelier game was ultra huge bomba.
Nah, i don't it'll be that much.
I think it was the best selling game until OoT came out. Must've sold over 500,000 by now, which isn't bad.
I'll be picking up Layton VS AA this week (DD though), so I'll be supporting the cause!
Certainly wouldn't surprise me if the popularity's fading. Layton 3 ending up with 850k-ish while Layton 4 dropped to 660k-ish.
Last known number was 354,344 just one year ago.
It's a long time, yes, but its sale were going really down by then (from August to December it only sold 42k units). Maybe it has not even reach the 400k, but i think it could by quite close to it.
Code:
2011-08-01 311,778
2011-08-08 318,167
2011-09-19 331,569
2011-12-19 354,344Oh wow. Also, I've seen it at certain stores recently discounted to 2,000 yen (Ito Yokado). I guess we'll have to wait until the end of the year (assuming it's on the end of the year charts), but I hope for at least 400,000. Anecdotal evidence, but I know a few people who bought a 3DS this year with it.
Famitsu No. 1251 (first week / LTD up to week ending 11/11/2012)
[N64] Animal Crossing (Nintendo) {2001-04-14} - 36,263 / 213,984
[GCN] Animal Crossing+ (Nintendo) {2001-12-14} - 92,568 / 641,300
[GCN] Animal Crossing e+ (Nintendo) {2003-06-27} - 91,658 / 386,258
[NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World (Nintendo) {2005-11-23} - 335,425 / 5,218,124
[WII] Animal Crossing: City Folk (Nintendo) {2008-11-20} - 303,204 / 1,221,459
[PS2] Dynasty Warriors 4 (Koei) {2003-02-27} - 723,127 / 1,197,349
[PS2] Dynasty Warriors 4: Empires (Koei) {2004-03-18} - 153,045 / 316,763
[PS2] Dynasty Warriors 5 (Koei) {2005-02-24} - 560,733 / 917,985
[PS2] Dynasty Warriors 5: Empires (Koei) {2006-03-23} - 53,542 / 144,872
[PS3] Dynasty Warriors 6 (Koei) {2007-11-11} - 176,180 / 371,443
[PS3] Dynasty Warriors 6: Empires (Koei) {2009-05-28} - 78,680 / 153,065
[PS3] Dynasty Warriors 7 (Koei Tecmo) {2011-03-10} - 259,787 / 476,018
[PS2] Samurai Warriors 2 (Koei) {2006-02-24} - 301,044 / 562,320
[PS2] Samurai Warriors 2: Empires (Koei) {2006-11-16} - 89,805 / 203,071
[PS3] Samurai Warriors 3 Z (Koei Tecmo) {2011-02-10} - 224,012 / 328,716
[PS3] Samurai Warriors 3: Empires (Koei Tecmo) {2011-08-25} - 70,488 / 122,519
[N64] Animal Crossing (Nintendo) {2001-04-14} - 36,263 / 213,984
[GCN] Animal Crossing+ (Nintendo) {2001-12-14} - 92,568 / 641,300
[GCN] Animal Crossing e+ (Nintendo) {2003-06-27} - 91,658 / 386,258
[NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World (Nintendo) {2005-11-23} - 335,425 / 5,218,124
[WII] Animal Crossing: City Folk (Nintendo) {2008-11-20} - 303,204 / 1,221,459
[PS2] Dynasty Warriors 4 (Koei) {2003-02-27} - 723,127 / 1,197,349
[PS2] Dynasty Warriors 4: Empires (Koei) {2004-03-18} - 153,045 / 316,763
[PS2] Dynasty Warriors 5 (Koei) {2005-02-24} - 560,733 / 917,985
[PS2] Dynasty Warriors 5: Empires (Koei) {2006-03-23} - 53,542 / 144,872
[PS3] Dynasty Warriors 6 (Koei) {2007-11-11} - 176,180 / 371,443
[PS3] Dynasty Warriors 6: Empires (Koei) {2009-05-28} - 78,680 / 153,065
[PS3] Dynasty Warriors 7 (Koei Tecmo) {2011-03-10} - 259,787 / 476,018
[PS2] Samurai Warriors 2 (Koei) {2006-02-24} - 301,044 / 562,320
[PS2] Samurai Warriors 2: Empires (Koei) {2006-11-16} - 89,805 / 203,071
[PS3] Samurai Warriors 3 Z (Koei Tecmo) {2011-02-10} - 224,012 / 328,716
[PS3] Samurai Warriors 3: Empires (Koei Tecmo) {2011-08-25} - 70,488 / 122,519
twentytwo22
Member
I'd guess around 20k-25k for Atelier, and around 8-12k for Fate/Stay Night.
I'd also guess that people here will be like "bomba", but that these numbers are right in the predicted margins from their respective companies.
Both sold out here-and-there in the Osaka area, and Atelier sold out on Amazon quickly after release. (Atelier still on 5-6 day shipping from Amazon). The premium version also did what an actual, limited edition premium version should do, and disappeared.
electroplankton
Banned
Inazuma Eleven games used to sell 1 million units, the first Layton trilogy sold almost 3 million units. They had to think bigger because they were selling A LOT of games.
Father_Brain
Banned
The lack of a 2012 Level-5 Vision/World speaks for itself. They've been pretty humbled over the past year.